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NWTNWX said:
Not trying to add light to the situation but I think the mortality rate is inflated because of the testing situation. I know someone who has it and is self quarantined. Has not been tested because he did not meet criteria. Once testing is available I think we will find out thousands more actually have it.
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Not trying to add anything but looking at deaths vs recovered is eye opening. The road back to healthy would be a long one.
 
Windergawx said:
I say lockdown is likely. This has been a slow rollout like many have said. The wording get more serious each time
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At this point very likely and entirely necessary. Everyone has to keep in mind that what we're currently observing in terms of actual coronavirus cases is a few weeks behind reality because we don't have enough testing (still) plus incubation period of the virus (which may add an additional week) and the lag in getting results for those that actually do get tested adds an additional day or two (sometimes more if there's a backlog in testing)
 
WXinCanton said:
Damn man, hope for the best! There is a hotspot in Bartow for sure.
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Thanks. I never would have thought we'd get it so bad up here this early. She looks better this morning but my work effectually quarantined me until she is tested.
 
Webberweather53 said:
At this point very likely and entirely necessary. Everyone has to keep in mind that what we're currently observing in terms of actual coronavirus cases is a few weeks behind reality because we don't have enough testing (still) plus incubation period of the virus (which may add an additional week) and the lag in getting results for those that actually do get tested adds an additional day or two (sometimes more if there's a backlog in testing)
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This is exactly what the Medium article I posted was trying to teach people. You can't trust the numbers as by the time they start showing reality it is too late to stop this thing.
 
tramadoc said:
Nationwide lockdown isn’t happening and is entirely unnecessary. Take a look around. Hardly any infections. This is a great big overreaction and a huge nothingburger.
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There are 10's of thousands with it in the US right now, the sad part is 6 months from now when the country if returning to normal and the infection and death numbers are not to bad a lot of people will say " see it was all for nothing" not realizing that the reason it is like that is because of the things we are doing now.
 
Downeastnc said:
There are 10's of thousands with it in the US right now, the sad part is 6 months from now when the country if returning to normal and the infection and death numbers are not to bad a lot of people will say " see it was all for nothing" not realizing that the reason it is like that is because of the things we are doing now.
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Less than 1/10th of one percent. I would be willing to say that less than 1% of the population has/will have this.
 
tramadoc said:
5,000 out of 331 MILLION PEOPLE. That is 0.001510574018127% infection rate.
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Unless you test every single American this number is meaningless for every case we know about there are 2-3 we don't....maybe as many 4-5 per case since doubling rates are 3-4 days and incubation is 10-14. Just be thankful that the under 60 crowd has little or no trouble with this virus.
 
For those interested, here is a link to the White House schedule for today. Look at who the President is meeting with today and who he met with yesterday. Yesterday he met with the governors (I assume nationwide) on a partnership for preparing for the coronavirus. Then they announced a voluntary travel ban and recommendations to avoid groups of 10+ yesterday afternoon. Today he's meeting with restaurant execs, the tourism industry, supply retailers, wholesalers and the secretary of state. Look at what Dr Fauci recently said about being overly aggressive and in favor of a national 14 day shutdown, someone who is probably having a big influence on the decision making process of Trump/Pence.

IMO all this is working up to a mandatory shutdown at some point this week. It probably won't be today since he's still meeting with various industries that would be affected by it but it sure looks like things are in motion for that to happen later this week. Trump was repeatedly asked about a nationwide shutdown yesterday in the PC and you could tell he was uncomfortable answering that and gave statements such as "not at this moment" while also leaving the door open for it to happen if needed.
 
snowlover91 said:
For those interested, here is a link to the White House schedule for today. Look at who the President is meeting with today and who he met with yesterday. Yesterday he met with the governors (I assume nationwide) on a partnership for preparing for the coronavirus.
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It makes sense - the federal government doesn't possess the plenary powers to order a nationwide shutdown; this could only be done with the cooperation of state governors.
 
Can we all just discuss our views on this topic without resorting to personal attacks and name calling? It does absolutely nothing to help with the situation and a person's viewpoint can be made clear without attacking someone else. Mods on the site have repeatedly warned to avoid this, why can't we just follow the rules and have civil discussions even if we disagree with someone?
 
Windergawx said:
Maybe but one can read peer studies and come to a conclusion
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Maybe.

But you have to truly dissect published scientific literature to come to a real conclusion (as to whether or not you want to trust the authors conclusions, sometimes your conclusions are not to trust the author) . Even journal articles “conclusions” can be flawed and upon studying the data can be dismissed as having some problems.

I took an entire class on how to read clinical research papers in pharmacy school. Did a million journal clubs. It’s hard stuff.

My professor Charles Herring wrote a book called “Quick Stats: Basics for Medical Literature Evaluation” if anyone wants to dive into literature eval... you may fall asleep while reading...
 
I can't believe how awful our testing system still is. There are so many stories out there of people wanting to get tested that can't. It's just unbelievable. Here in my area, unless you are going to the ER and into critical care they are telling people to just stay home if they are younger (under 50) with no other underlying medical issues because there is no treatment anyway. Basically, just stay home, ride it out and get better. No test, no documentation, no idea where they've traveled or who they've worked with and spread it to.

There have to be 1000's of people out there walking around right now with this. And so many Americans aren't taking it serious. They are still going about their daily lives as if everything is normal. That is why it's going to take state and federal level shutdowns. Many are too arrogant to do it on their own. And the lack of testing is driving this mentality that it is no big deal.

www.cnn.com

As testing ramps up, doctors, ill patients still experience problems

The head of the World Health Organization has a simple message for all countries about who should be tested for coronavirus: "Test, test, test. Test every suspected case." Yet, the American medical system is scrambling to keep up with this directive.
www.cnn.com www.cnn.com

www.expressnews.com

'We can't test everyone': San Antonians grow frustrated as they run up against limited coronavirus testing

San Antonians who want to know whether they are infected with coronavirus have grown...
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time.com

Why Can’t I Get Tested for COVID-19?

The federal government has changed its criteria for who can, and should be tested for COVID-19. Here’s what you need to know.
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www.texastribune.org

She's a Texas nurse who treats cancer patients — and she can't get a coronavirus test. That's not unusual.

Unless a patient is sick enough to be hospitalized, state criteria for lab testing are difficult to meet. And state officials have yet to say how many Texans in total have been tested.
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New York can’t test enough people for coronavirus

President Donald Trump has said that everyone who wants to get tested for the coronavirus can – but that’s just not the case in New York.Gov.
www.cityandstateny.com www.cityandstateny.com


Raleigh resident Sarah Kordulewski said she was rejected twice for a coronavirus test, once at her doctor’s office and again by a nurse at a UNC helpline.

When Kordulewski saw a doctor in the middle of last week, she said she had a cough, sore throat, body aches, and a fever. The illness had begun a few days before, starting with a headache and fatigue. She said at the doctor’s office, she tested negative for flu. But, she said, the doctor told her the fever wasn’t high enough to qualify her for a coronavirus test.

She then called the UNC helpline and described her symptoms. The not-high-enough fever wasn’t an obstacle to getting tested, she said, but the nurse on the helpline said she couldn’t be tested for the virus because she hadn’t traveled outside the country in the last 30 days or been in contact with someone known to have it.

Kordulewski said she understands there’s a shortage of tests, but it’s important to know if people have the coronavirus disease COVID-19.

“There are so many people out there, they’re sick and they don’t know,” she said. “They’re going to go out and spread it, because they don’t know.”


It's everywhere. Look up a state and testing and you'll find the same stories in each one.
 
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