Coronavirus (Stay on Topic)

[Iceagewhereartthou]

Wow. People are comparing it to the flu as if it s the same or if the flu is worse. Not as it is a scientific experiment to understand the differences as you mention. This is about saving lives at this point.

From the WHO:

“We don’t even talk about containment for seasonal flu — it’s just not possible,” Tedros said. “But it is possible for Covid-19. We don’t do contact-tracing for seasonal flu — but countries should do it for Covid-19, because it will prevent infections and save lives. Containment is possible.”

This is not even in the ball park with the flu at this point. Could it get there or worse? Of course. Is this the flu? No, but a communicable respiratory visus that can spread quickly and lead to lots of hospitalizations and deaths is going to prompt comaprisons to something we are more familiar with, and why shouldn't it? Suppose we weren't trying to apply what we've learned over the years of dealing with the flu here; that would be pretty idiotic don't you think?

And the WHO containment comment supports what many of us are talking about and why this is no where near the level of the flu (at least yet). Again, should we use common sense and extra care? Certainly. Should we panic and shut everything down? Not in my opinion, and that's all it is of course. But panic isn't helpful. We may need to take some extra steps with the elderly based on what we are seeing, but doing a whole bunch of shutting down of things and stuff we don't even try with an ilness that kills tens of thousands every year doesn't make sense to me. That is panic. Panic will lead to a whole bunch of other bad stuff and will affect far more lives.

 

[Arcc]

Drivers in Montana have an equal chance of dying in a car crash than those Covid-19 sufferers under 40 in S. Korea. By the way, it's probably terrible in North Korea. Most of those people are barely hanging on as it is.

Actually I’d think NK is probably taking it better than most think. I’d bet their population above 50 is likely much lower than surrounding regions. That is a sad way to look at it but it is what it is.

 

[Nerman]

This is not even in the ball park with the flu at this point. Could it get there or worse? Of course. Is this the flu? No, but a communicable respiratory visus that can spread quickly and lead to lots of hospitalizations and deaths is going to prompt comaprisons to something we are more familiar with, and why shouldn't it? Suppose we weren't trying to apply what we've learned over the years of dealing with the flu here; that would be pretty idiotic don't you think?

And the WHO containment comment supports what many of us are talking about and why this is no where near the level of the flu (at least yet). Again, should we use common sense and extra care? Certainly. Should we panic and shut everything down? Not in my opinion, and that's all it is of course. But panic isn't helpful. We may need to take some extra steps with the elderly based on what we are seeing, but doing a whole bunch of shutting down of things and stuff we don't even try with an ilness that kills tens of thousands every year doesn't make sense to me. That is panic. Panic will lead to a whole bunch of other bad stuff and will affect far more lives.

Go ask Italy how that's working out. The whole dang country is now under quarantine. I guess we can debate about how it's like the flu until we get to that point...

 

[Arcc]

Coronavirus kills an order of magnitude more people per capita than the Flu (actually 10-50x more/cases), 15-20% of coronavirus cases require hospitalization, less than 2% do for the flu (big one there), one person w/ CoV-19 can infect 3-5x more people than the flu, it's doubling time is 3 days compared to the flu's of 7 days, the coronavirus can survive several days (a week or more) on hard surfaces, the flu can't, 15% of people that contract the coronavirus get re-infected, it's extremely rare for anyone to be reinfected by the influenza virus, and people are generally infected much longer (as much as 3-4 weeks), and furthermore, unlike the flu, we have no vaccine or any way to cure/curb symptoms, we can contain the coronavirus, and it's going to put unnecessary strain on our already stressed medical system.

But you're right, let's compare it to the flu, because reasons.

Smdh

Sources?

This article right here says it can live on surfaces for up to a day.

The coronavirus can live on a surgical mask for 7 days, cloth for 2 days, and paper for 3 hours. Here's how to disinfect surfaces properly.

The novel coronavirus is thought to be spread mainly via droplets passed between people. But viral particles can also live on some surfaces for days.

www.google.com

 

[Webberweather53]

This is not even in the ball park with the flu at this point. Could it get there or worse? Of course. Is this the flu? No, but a communicable respiratory visus that can spread quickly and lead to lots of hospitalizations and deaths is going to prompt comaprisons to something we are more familiar with, and why shouldn't it? Suppose we weren't trying to apply what we've learned over the years of dealing with the flu here; that would be pretty idiotic don't you think?

And the WHO containment comment supports what many of us are talking about and why this is no where near the level of the flu (at least yet). Again, should we use common sense and extra care? Certainly. Should we panic and shut everything down? Not in my opinion, and that's all it is of course. But panic isn't helpful. We may need to take some extra steps with the elderly based on what we are seeing, but doing a whole bunch of shutting down of things and stuff we don't even try with an ilness that kills tens of thousands every year doesn't make sense to me. That is panic. Panic will lead to a whole bunch of other bad stuff and will affect far more lives.

Did just some extra precaution help contain the virus in China, South Korea, and Italy or did they have to quarantine most of or the entire country?

Oh wait that's right...

 

[Snowfan]

 

[Webberweather53]

Sources?

This article right here says it can live on surfaces for up to a day.

The coronavirus can live on a surgical mask for 7 days, cloth for 2 days, and paper for 3 hours. Here's how to disinfect surfaces properly.

The novel coronavirus is thought to be spread mainly via droplets passed between people. But viral particles can also live on some surfaces for days.

www.google.com

Nope, it's a lot more than a day, Coronavirus can survive on surfaces for up to 9 days (more).

"A past study found that these related coronaviruses can stay on surfaces such as metal, glass or plastic for as long as nine days, according to a study published Feb. 6 in The Journal of Hospital Infection."

https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-myths.html



"The authors show that, depending on the material and the conditions, human coronaviruses can remain infectious from 2 hours to 9 days"

Coronaviruses: How long can they survive on surfaces?

A recent review investigates how long coronaviruses can survive outside the body; it also assesses which chemicals are most effective against the pathogen.

www.medicalnewstoday.com

 

[NCSNOW]

Wow. People are comparing it to the flu as if it s the same or if the flu is worse. Not as it is a scientific experiment to understand the differences as you mention. This is about saving lives at this point.

From the WHO:

“We don’t even talk about containment for seasonal flu — it’s just not possible,” Tedros said. “But it is possible for Covid-19. We don’t do contact-tracing for seasonal flu — but countries should do it for Covid-19, because it will prevent infections and save lives. Containment is possible.”

READ AND QUOTE WHOLE POST. You are pulling one sentence and spinning a narrative taking what I said out of context.

 

[Rain Cold]

I'd like to remind everyone, let's please try to treat each other nicely, even when we don't agree.

 

[Nerman]

READ AND QUOTE WHOLE POST. You are pulling one sentence and spinning a narrative taking what I said out of context.

NCSNOW, I wasn't specifically talking about you and I apologize if it came across that way. My concern is all the people saying "Oh, its just like the flu> Or, oh, it doesn't kill as many as the flu." Those scenarios do not seem to apply to you at all. Again, my bad if it came across that way.

 

[NCSNOW]

Coronavirus kills an order of magnitude more people per capita than the Flu (actually 10-50x more/cases), 15-20% of coronavirus cases require hospitalization, less than 2% do for the flu (big one there), one person w/ CoV-19 can infect 3-5x more people than the flu, it's doubling time is 3 days compared to the flu's of 7 days, the coronavirus can survive several days (a week or more) on hard surfaces, the flu can't, 15% of people that contract the coronavirus get re-infected, it's extremely rare for anyone to be reinfected by the influenza virus, and people are generally infected much longer (as much as 3-4 weeks), and furthermore, unlike the flu, we have no vaccine or any way to cure/curb symptoms, we can contain the coronavirus, and it's going to put unnecessary strain on our already stressed medical system.

But you're right, let's compare it to the flu, because reasons.

Smdh

I give up . Trying to explain to you guys why people compare it to the flu doesnt mean anyone is saying its not as bad as the flu or 10x worse.

Its a metric of a known quantity. To then form conclusions from.

 

[Rain Cold]

Will probably see a lot more of this. I don't get the feeling that people in the US have a full appreciation for the magnitude of what is coming.

 

[BHS1975]

Coronavirus kills an order of magnitude more people per capita than the Flu (actually 10-50x more/cases), 15-20% of coronavirus cases require hospitalization, less than 2% do for the flu (big one there), one person w/ CoV-19 can infect 3-5x more people than the flu, it's doubling time is 3 days compared to the flu's of 7 days, the coronavirus can survive several days (a week or more) on hard surfaces, the flu can't, 15% of people that contract the coronavirus get re-infected, it's extremely rare for anyone to be reinfected by the influenza virus, and people are generally infected much longer (as much as 3-4 weeks), and furthermore, unlike the flu, we have no vaccine or any way to cure/curb symptoms, we can contain the coronavirus, and it's going to put unnecessary strain on our already stressed medical system.

But you're right, let's compare it to the flu, because reasons.

Smdh

The quicker folks stop comparing this to the flu the better.


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[Arcc]

Nope, it's a lot more than a day, Coronavirus can survive on surfaces for up to 9 days (more).

"A past study found that these related coronaviruses can stay on surfaces such as metal, glass or plastic for as long as nine days, according to a study published Feb. 6 in The Journal of Hospital Infection."

https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-myths.html



"The authors show that, depending on the material and the conditions, human coronaviruses can remain infectious from 2 hours to 9 days"

Coronaviruses: How long can they survive on surfaces?

A recent review investigates how long coronaviruses can survive outside the body; it also assesses which chemicals are most effective against the pathogen.

www.medicalnewstoday.com

Interesting. I’ll definitely read those in a bit.

 

[BHS1975]

Will probably see a lot more of this. I don't get the feeling that people in the US have a full appreciation for the magnitude of what is coming.

Reminds me of that movie Contagion.


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[Snowfan]

 

[JHS]

Reminds me of that movie Contagion.


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Also the movie The Stand comes to mind. Lock downs like the Texas city in that movie may be coming soon.

 

[Webberweather53]

I give up . Trying to explain to you guys why people compare it to the flu doesnt mean anyone is saying its not as bad as the flu or 10x worse.

Its a metric of a known quantity. To then form conclusions from.

Putting it in the same context as the flu clearly downplays the threat the Coronavirus poses to the US to the average American that's not debatable and I'm not sure why you're trying to subsequently cover your tracks and say you never implied "x" because when you tout far right-wing talking points "there is nothing wrong with comparing it to the flu" you're clearly implying they are in fact similar in many respects and it's beyond obvious at this point they aren't. These baseless, nonsensical comparisons (even implied ones) between CoV-19 & Influenza need to stop because there really is no valid comparison.

 

[NoSnowATL]

Go ask Italy how that's working out. The whole dang country is now under quarantine. I guess we can debate about how it's like the flu until we get to that point...

1 million people died from the flu in 1968. How many have died from C-19. I don’t see 1 million. People can’t just say flu. EvErY FlU SeASoN Is DiFfErEnT.



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[Webberweather53]

1 million people died from the flu in 1968. How many have died from C-19. I don’t see 1 million. People can’t just say flu. EvErY FlU SeASoN Is DiFfErEnT.



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You can't compare CoV-19 to the flu when the CoV has yet to have any chance to infect the entire population for a very significant portion of time (more than several months).

That's the logical equivalent of someone saying "Wow! This category 5 hurricane that's headed towards my house isn't so bad! What's all this hype about?!" when you've only gone thru first outer rain band.