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One thing for certain, even after the corona is gone we still won’t be prepared for the next one. These outbreaks are not new.
 
Nerman said:
It's way too early to claim it will be here forever or that there will be annual vaccines. I agree with most of your other posts on here though and it should be taken very seriously.

I wonder for those downplaying everything have any loved ones over aged 60? I'm in my 40's so not as worried about my wife or kids but I've got parents, aunts, uncles and even a grandmother out there. Over half of them are living with previous medical history. If we need to shut things down for a month or two or more to save their lives then I am fine with that.
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Of course I think about my parents and other family members who are seniors, but we have to go through every flu season with the same concern. I guess I just don't understand this idea that we have to shut everythig down to contain this virus. How come we don't shut everything down and quarantine people every fall? Couldn't we possibly prevent about 50,000 American deaths (or about 500,000 worldwide) every year (mostly seniors) if we closed schools, businesses, canceled festivals and concerts, limited airline flights, quarantined people, and sold out of hand sanitizer? Surely that would be worth it. Why are we panicking and saying this is necessary for this virus but we never do this for the flu. If 50,000 Americans die from this there will be riots in the streets about how the government did not do enough and how it is unacceptable and heads need to roll but we let the flu run it's course every year? Huh? How come we don't change our culture and do away with automobiles since 40,000 die every year, with millions more affected by car accidents? We have 4,000 drowning deaths every year, almost all in the summertime. Should our culture panic and start shutting down all pools and lakes every summer to save those lives? If our culture wants to react to this level for every threat that is fine; we do it with toy recalls and e coli laden lettuce, but then lets not sleep on the things that regularly take a massive number of lives.

IMO it is all about this being something different. It's not something people hear about all the time and so it's a bit of an unknown, which a lot of people find scary. If 3,000 Chinese people had died quickly from the flu itself I doubt we would have ever heard anything about it. There is also a control element here. People think they have control over their cars and pools so they think those deaths won't happen to them, but they feel like they don't have control with this virus. The reality is we have very little control over anything. This is what people are panicking over; the unknowns and fears, rather than what is actually happening.

We're all going to take it as we wish. I don't see the point in panicking, shutting down our economy or daily operations for weeks or months, or doing a while bunch of majorly drastic things we never do for things that routinely take massive numbers of life. The vast number of people that we know have been affected have recovered fully or are expected to. Take precautions, keep perspective, live life while you got it!
 
Nerman said:
I don't get it web. I was hoping Tucker Carlson's comments last night might start penetrating the thoughts of some of the deniers on the right. (as least it seems those discounting the seriousness seem to lean right politically)

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Carlson's opening monologue concluded:

"The Chinese coronavirus will get worse. Its effects will be far more disruptive than they are right now. That is not a guess. It is inevitable. Let's hope everyone stops lying about that, and soon."
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Who is denying or discounting the coronovirus? Im as far on the right as probably anyone on this board. Been monitoring this thing,posting about it back in January in the political forum,before GAWX even created this thread. Im viewing this the same way I have been for 2 months now. Just because im not runing up and down the street yelling the end of mankind is upon us ,shut everything down, or using annalytical data to compare with flu doesnt mean I"m denying this virus, it being highly contagious. Analyzing data, looking into the numbers and staying aware of the current situation at this very momnent is what many of us are doing. This is an evolving situation. We are enetring the point where we are going to have to limit people gatherings,interactions for a short span of time. Is what it is. However we will get through this.
 
Matthew70 said:
It is scary to think more about businesses shutting down for a couple weeks. That is a lot of people not getting paid. We all have seen how many people live paycheck to paycheck.
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Which is a perfect example of why panic will only significantly worsen this whole process (and this is exaclty where panic is leading us).
 
NCSNOW said:
Who is denying or discounting the coronovirus? Im as far on the right as probably anyone on this board. Been monitoring this thing,posting about it back in January in the political forum,before GAWX even created this thread. Im viewing this the same way I have been for 2 months now. Just because im not runing up and down the street yelling the end of mankind is upon us ,shut everything down, or using annalytical data to compare with flu doesnt mean I"m denying this virus, it being highly contagious. Analyzing data, looking into the numbers and staying aware of the current situation at this very momnent is what many of us are doing. This is an evolving situation. We are enetring the point where we are going to have to limit people gatherings,interactions for a short span of time. Is what it is. However we will get through this.
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There are a lot of people still comparing it to the flu. Look at the post right above yours. That's what I'm getting at and was Tucker Carlson's message last night. It's sad that it is coming from such influential leadership and media.
 
Storm5 said:
www.forbes.com

COVID-19 Travel Update: Fauci Says Cruising Is OK If You Are Healthy

Speaking at a White House press conference tonight, Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of NIAD, told reporters if you are healthy, there is no reason to eschew cruise vacations.
www.forbes.com www.forbes.com


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The right hand does not know what the left hand is saying. Avoid places of a 100 more of people. Last time I took a cruise there was more than a 100 people on it.
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The right hand does not know what the left hand is saying. Avoid places of a 100 more of people. Last time I took a cruise there was more than a 100 people on it.
 
Nerman said:
There are a lot of people still comparing it to the flu. Look at the post right above yours. That's what I'm getting at and was Tucker Carlson's message last night. It's sad that it is coming from such influential leadership and media.
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There is nothing wrong with comparing it to the flu. Flu is a well understood and given metric. Now we take the data we have from SK and Italy , dig into it. Then compare side by side to get a clearer picture hopefully of what we are dealing with here. Its hard to trust the china and Iran numbers. Not saying to trash them, but shouldnt be as weighted as sk and italy. We also have to understand Italy population is much older than the USA or SK.
So I know about seasonal flu, stats,trends etc. So as we continue to gather info from coronovirus and feel more confident about it (the data it gives us) then we can conclude, hey this appears to yield the same,more or less posotive and negative results as the seasonal flu we combat every year.
 
Arcc said:
Not quite. Much higher at the top, the same or lower at the bottom. Italy’s numbers are about the same if I could find the chart. Although I did find where Italy reported 1 person died on Sunday below 50, so that up from zero.
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Drivers in Montana have an equal chance of dying in a car crash than those Covid-19 sufferers under 40 in S. Korea. By the way, it's probably terrible in North Korea. Most of those people are barely hanging on as it is.
 
NCSNOW said:
There is nothing wrong with comparing it to the flu.
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Wow. People are comparing it to the flu as if it s the same or if the flu is worse. Not as it is a scientific experiment to understand the differences as you mention. This is about saving lives at this point.

From the WHO:

“We don’t even talk about containment for seasonal flu — it’s just not possible,” Tedros said. “But it is possible for Covid-19. We don’t do contact-tracing for seasonal flu — but countries should do it for Covid-19, because it will prevent infections and save lives. Containment is possible.”
 
weatherfide said:
Drivers in Montana have an equal chance of dying in a car crash than those Covid-19 sufferers under 40 in S. Korea. By the way, it's probably terrible in North Korea. Most of those people are barely hanging on as it is.
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I shudder to think of what may be happening in the DPRK right now - most of their population is severely immunocompromised due to poor nutrition and lack of basic medical care.
 
ABC news said people who are avoiding the gym/exercise will be more prone to get corona compared to those who go to gyms with lots of people. I agree with this!
 
NCSNOW said:
There is nothing wrong with comparing it to the flu. Flu is a well understood and given metric. Now we take the data we have from SK and Italy , dig into it. Then compare side by side to get a clearer picture hopefully of what we are dealing with here. Its hard to trust the china and Iran numbers. Not saying to trash them, but shouldnt be as weighted as sk and italy. We also have to understand Italy population is much older than the USA or SK.
So I know about seasonal flu, stats,trends etc. So as we continue to gather info from coronovirus and feel more confident about it (the data it gives us) then we can conclude, hey this appears to yield the same,more or less posotive and negative results as the seasonal flu we combat every year.
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Coronavirus kills an order of magnitude more people per capita than the Flu (actually 10-50x more/cases), 15-20% of coronavirus cases require hospitalization, less than 2% do for the flu (big one there), one person w/ CoV-19 can infect 3-5x more people than the flu, it's doubling time is 3 days compared to the flu's of 7 days, the coronavirus can survive several days (a week or more) on hard surfaces, the flu can't, 15% of people that contract the coronavirus get re-infected, it's extremely rare for anyone to be reinfected by the influenza virus, and people are generally infected much longer (as much as 3-4 weeks), and furthermore, unlike the flu, we have no vaccine or any way to cure/curb symptoms, we can contain the coronavirus, and it's going to put unnecessary strain on our already stressed medical system.

But you're right, let's compare it to the flu, because reasons.

Smdh
 
Lickwx said:
Since some new cases were reported in NC and it’s been a couple days I’ll speak on a situation that evolved in the ER Saturday where I volunteered .


It started with a very undercover situation where a patient was brought in from the back way of the er for potential corona. Cops blocked hallways off to let them pass through. Patient got isolated , overheard nurses talking about how they were working on ruling viruses out and such . Second man walks into er entrance where I am. Claims he ate at the restaurant where the first NC corona case man ate. Complaining of headaches dry cough . Nurses are skeptical gets put into a triage and waits over an hour before someone takes him seriously . Again , no tests. Third lady, can’t speak English , elderly asian lady. Has a clear respiratory virus of some sort . Most miserable condition I ever saw, hacking coughing wheezing . Was also at the entrance .
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Thanks for sharing this, and wow. Sounds like you may have observed some of the first cases around here.
 
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