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Nerman said:
South Korea got the same information we did at the same time and they were able to have their test kits ready for 100,000's. The US simply failed here. And now it's going to blow up.
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CDC Atlanta rushed production of test kits, and the first batch was ruined.

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Why the CDC botched its coronavirus testing

The first testing kits from the Centers for Disease Control had a simple fault, and red tape prevented other labs from creating their own.
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NCSNOW said:
Harvard tells students not to return from spring break. Classes moving online.
We have 16 public universities with kids who will be coming back from all corners of the earth packing into tight corridors in NC. Be interesting to see what decisions are made latter this week.
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It is scary to think more about businesses shutting down for a couple weeks. That is a lot of people not getting paid. We all have seen how many people live paycheck to paycheck.
 
No snow for you said:
This is artificially high bc they are not testing people with minor symptoms world wide (except SK). Even Who says the death rate will drop a good bit as time passes.
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The death rate is still an order of magnitude higher than the flu across the board even if you correct for asymptomatic patients and a few orders of magnitude for those over 60 and with health complications. The death rate will drop only after significant measures have been taken to contain the virus and hospitals aren't overloaded w/ patients, we're just now starting the upswing in cases we are a very long ways off from that point in time.
 
Matthew70 said:
It is scary to think more about businesses shutting down for a couple weeks. That is a lot of people not getting paid. We all have seen how many people live paycheck to paycheck.
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I agree, if you are a hourly employee being shut down will not be good. Salary employees will fair a lot better if his/ her company closes for a week or 2. Plus a lot of people can work from home these days. The last thing we need to do is shut businesses down for weeks.


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Yellow Snow said:
CDC Atlanta rushed production of test kits, and the first batch was ruined.

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www.technologyreview.com

Why the CDC botched its coronavirus testing

The first testing kits from the Centers for Disease Control had a simple fault, and red tape prevented other labs from creating their own.
www.technologyreview.com www.technologyreview.com
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Yep, and there is information out there about the CDC not taking either the lead from the WHO or the actual test kits from the WHO. They wanted to create their own. Maybe they had to? I don't have time to look up the articles now. Not sure if that was a CDC decision alone or came from other federal levels.
 
Webberweather53 said:
The death rate is still an order of magnitude higher than the flu across the board even if you correct for asymptomatic patients and a few orders of magnitude for those over 60 and with health complications. The death rate will drop only after significant measures have been taken to contain the virus and hospitals aren't overloaded w/ patients, we're just now starting the upswing in cases we are a very long ways off from that point in time.
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Fair enough but the spread peaks after 3.5-4.5 weeks and then drops off hard. Look at China and SK as examples of that. I expect going by the same math that Italy should peak by the end of this week or Monday. We shall see.
 
No snow for you said:
Fair enough but the spread peaks after 3.5-4.5 weeks and then drops off hard. Look at China and SK as examples of that. I expect going by the same math that Italy should peak by the end of this week or Monday. We shall see.
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The only reason those countries have peaked is because they literally shut most of or the entire country down for weeks on end. We still have people in high places (trump admin) that think this is just a big "liberal hoax" or not a big deal at all. (Pardon for my misinterpretation of your previous statement wrt whether numbers in Italy or the US would go down). The US has no less than several weeks-few months before there's a hint of light at the end of the tunnel.
 
Since some new cases were reported in NC and it’s been a couple days I’ll speak on a situation that evolved in the ER Saturday where I volunteered .


It started with a very undercover situation where a patient was brought in from the back way of the er for potential corona. Cops blocked hallways off to let them pass through. Patient got isolated , overheard nurses talking about how they were working on ruling viruses out and such . Second man walks into er entrance where I am. Claims he ate at the restaurant where the first NC corona case man ate. Complaining of headaches dry cough . Nurses are skeptical gets put into a triage and waits over an hour before someone takes him seriously . Again , no tests. Third lady, can’t speak English , elderly asian lady. Has a clear respiratory virus of some sort . Most miserable condition I ever saw, hacking coughing wheezing . Was also at the entrance .
 
Nerman said:
Yep, and there is information out there about the CDC not taking either the lead from the WHO or the actual test kits from the WHO. They wanted to create their own. Maybe they had to? I don't have time to look up the articles now. Not sure if that was a CDC decision alone or came from other federal levels.
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The CDC has regulatory burdens that don't apply to WHO (in fairness, these exist out of an abundance of caution for health/safety considerations). The article touches on this:

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Webberweather53 said:
The death rate is still an order of magnitude higher than the flu across the board even if you correct for asymptomatic patients and a few orders of magnitude for those over 60 and with health complications. The death rate will drop only after significant measures have been taken to contain the virus and hospitals aren't overloaded w/ patients, we're just now starting the upswing in cases we are a very long ways off from that point in time.
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Not quite. Much higher at the top, the same or lower at the bottom. Italy’s numbers are about the same if I could find the chart. Although I did find where Italy reported 1 person died on Sunday below 50, so that up from zero.
 

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Arcc said:
Not quite. Much higher at the top, the same or lower at the bottom. Italy’s numbers are about the same if I could find the chart. Although I did find where Italy reported 1 person died on Sunday below 50, so that up from zero.
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How exactly does that take away from the main idea that the coronavirus is much deadlier than the flu per capita and that it definitely should be taken seriously? 15-20% of cases in Italy are requiring hospitalization, we are so not prepared for this.
 
Webberweather53 said:
How exactly does that take away from the main idea that the coronavirus is much deadlier than the flu per capita and that it definitely should be taken seriously? 15-20% of cases in Italy are requiring hospitalization, we are so not prepared for this.
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Who said anything about it not being taken seriously? If it can be established that if you are in your thirties and forties, you will be fine, your teenage son will be fine and your infant will be fine, you can then direct attention on your older parents. It definitely should be taken seriously with the right view point. The psychological strain that mitigates alone is huge. Not saying that some won’t misuse it though.
 
Webberweather53 said:
How exactly does that take away from the main idea that the coronavirus is much deadlier than the flu per capita and that it definitely should be taken seriously? 15-20% of cases in Italy are requiring hospitalization, we are so not prepared for this.
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I don't get it web. I was hoping Tucker Carlson's comments last night might start penetrating the thoughts of some of the deniers on the right. (as least it seems those discounting the seriousness seem to lean right politically)

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Carlson's opening monologue concluded:

"The Chinese coronavirus will get worse. Its effects will be far more disruptive than they are right now. That is not a guess. It is inevitable. Let's hope everyone stops lying about that, and soon."
 
Arcc said:
Who said anything about it not being taken seriously? If it can be established that if you are in your thirties and forties, you will be fine, your teenage son will be fine and your infant will be fine, you can then direct attention on your older parents. It definitely should be taken seriously with the right view point.
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We still don’t know what the actual numbers will be here in the US but the fatality rates of confirmed cases is still way higher for the coronavirus for people in this age group vs the flu across the globe.
 
The numbers are so different depending on the source it's hard to make any conclusion off them. The reaction by certain governments is what's eye opening. When has there ever been this type of a response for the flu or for that matter any virus? Something isn't adding up
 
Heelyes said:
The numbers are so different depending on the source it's hard to make any conclusion off them. The reaction by certain governments is what's eye opening. When has there ever been this type of a response for the flu or for that matter any virus? Something isn't adding up
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My guess is that the amount of older patients 60+ is a big part of the reason they're reacting this way. When you have mortality rates in this age group ranging from 5-15% depending on country and age group... then that becomes a pretty serious issue and likely why various countries start shutting things down. Also I'm not sure about other countries but I know in the US there are a number of politicians with health issues and 60+ which is the highest risk group. It probably makes it an even more compelling for politicians to take this type of action when they see that they themselves are in the high risk group.
 
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