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March 18-19th Possible Severe Wx Outbreak

NickyBGuarantee said:
I also never said this wasn’t going to be a big deal. I’m saying that I am skeptical if it will be at this point in time. This is due to my experience living here my whole life. I’ve seen severe weather hyped up just as much as the next guy .. I think it’s always warranted because better safe than sorry but I’m just saying when there has been prefrontal clouds and or precip leading a severe weather event it always seems to take the kick out of the system. We’re obviously still too far out to grind out those type of details right now. I’m speaking simply from a observational perspective. I’m sorry if I ruffled your feathers.
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Nah, I understand what you are saying. I was just trying to get my thoughts across too. But you didn't ruffle my feathers. Lol. It's all good.
 
JHS said:
Sun helps but is not a must. I do not recall much sun on 5-5-89 and that turned out nasty. Feb 6 2020 when Spartanburg got hit had no sun at all. And if a wedge boundary is in the area watch out for sure. That would probably be where a strong tornado would track.
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There was no sun during the day on 5/5/89... in fact I think the daily rainfall record for that date in CLT is still from 1989. It poured buckets all day, then of course that evening was when things just blew up
 
Myfrotho704_ said:
Looks like GFS has less cape at 18z but then I saw it’s because it keeps backing the line up (which uses the instability)
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For us I'm still not sure if we try to go prefrontal trough passage earlier in the day then a forced line (scattered) along the front or if it is all one line. Regardless the clearer threat right now is to our SW and with a potential residual tmb in place it's not looking good to me
 
Chazwin said:
There was no sun during the day on 5/5/89... in fact I think the daily rainfall record for that date in CLT is still from 1989. It poured buckets all day, then of course that evening was when things just blew up
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This is actually really surprising to me. I would of figured we would of had some sun. Given how powerful and long tracked those tornadoes were. Just goes to show it's not a necessity. What was the high and DP for that day?
 
These cells late Wednesday would be concerning given the better forcing is to the west and these will likely have their own atmos to work withnam3km_ref_uv10m_seus_60 (1).png
 
ryan1234 said:
This is actually really surprising to me. I would of figured we would of had some sun. Given how powerful and long tracked those tornadoes were. Just goes to show it's not a necessity. What was the high and DP for that day?
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The high was 74 and there was over 3 inches of rain at KCLT so I’m sure the highest dewpoint got into the 70s. Also there was a peak wind gust of 47mph at the airport that evening which means there was some straight line winds as well because the closest any tornadoes came to the airport was Lincoln county.
 
The STP is pretty ominous for CLT metro on the NAM. Of course it is the NAM but it's worth mentioning again.
 
SD said:
It's interesting the last couple of years we have gotten these massive high shear numbers but we've tilted/ripped off the updrafts quite a bit. There is still a decent amount of directional shear in these soundings
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Yeah that’s a difference, I imagine once the evening LLJ picked up the tor threat could go up but those early storms could take advantage of those low level lapse rates
 
Myfrotho704_ said:
I doubt that extreme, but 4/14-4/16 2011 is a better match
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Hence the word, "SINCE".
But yeah, certainly not at the level of 4/27. As far as 4/15 goes for bama...that could have been a lot worse had we not had a stalled MCS over the northern half of the state. One of the concerning things with this threat are the similar dynamics with much more insolation over the free warm sector.
 
As of 230 PM EST Monday: Tuesday evening we start out with quasi-
zonal flow while a strong low pressure system deepens across the
Desert Southwest. Zonal flow will phase out late Tuesday night into
early Wednesday morning as a subtropical ridge across the eastern
United States and the strong low pressure system tracks into the
Southern Plains. This ridge should remain over the region into
Wednesday night while the cut-off low progresses eastward across the
Tennessee Valley. Rain chances will decrease from north to south
Tuesday evening as the cold front sinks southward. Tuesday night
into Wednesday we have the potential to remain wedged in due to a
high pressure system building into the CWA behind the departing
front. Forecast confidence on the wedge holding is moderate due warm
air advection riding over the wedge of cold air below. We will not
get a good scouring until the cold front passes through on Thursday.
The warm front associated with the low and located to our south will
gradually lift northward over the CWA Wednesday into early Thursday.
This will lead to gradual increase in rain chances from west to east
Wednesday morning into Wednesday night. This warm front will also
contribute to southerly flow aloft pulling in plentiful moisture
from the Gulf of Mexico. As a result the CWA should be in the warm
sector by Thursday. The cold front associated with the low pressure
system should start tracking into the western Carolinas and
northeastern GA by Thursday afternoon. This will lead to the highest
rain chances being late Wednesday night into Thursday afternoon. It
is important to note that models are not in agreement regarding the
timing if the frontal passage. Currently the GFS has the front
progressing much quicker compared to the ECMWF. However, due to the
GFS runs over the past few days, I am more inclined to follow the
ECMWF regarding the timing of the FROPA, which would be Thursday
afternoon. Since the front would track through during the afternoon
hours during ample daytime heating, severe weather is possible. The
main potential impacts would be damaging winds and marginally severe
hail. The 0-1 km shear looks to peak around 18z at the critical
threshold of 40 knots. This means the timing of the front will
ultimately determine the severity of this event. The overall
tornado threat with this system looks to be low, but it is not
zero. If a tornado were to occur in this environment it would be
short lived. We will continue to monitor the progression of
this system in the coming days.

GSP's take on Thursday as of now.
 
Myfrotho704_ said:
Yeah that’s a difference, I imagine once the evening LLJ picked up the tor threat could go up but those early storms could take advantage of those low level lapse rates
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I still wonder if with a decent amount of cape and divergence we get into a junk convection/congested type environment.
 
What’s the deal with the NAM lingering so much cape behind the Thursday AM line in the western Carolinas? Better forcing and then the actual front in the evening? Could there be a lingering severe threat behind the the main line?
 
NAM at 18z looks to have backed off on severe parameters on Thursday for many areas. Much probably has to do with all the junk convection out ahead of the storm .. too many clouds were socked during all peak heating
 
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still a 2 STP value is nothing to scoff at .. it is simply not at a more dangerous level like the Past run with more widespread 4-5 values

maybe a slight risk with an enhanced further south
 
Myfrotho704_ said:
I doubt that extreme, but 4/14-4/16 2011 is a better match
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My exact words to my coworker earlier as the radio host was comparing it to 4/27. This is no where close to 4/27, but definitely in the ball park synoptically to that outbreak. Got a bad feeling about this one, but not April 27 bad.
 
Gotta throw this out there... convection, boundaries.. etc... from Monday evening and Tuesday will all determine what happens with the big Wednesday system. Definitely some variables to consider...
 
georgia_fan22 said:
What’s the deal with the NAM lingering so much cape behind the Thursday AM line in the western Carolinas? Better forcing and then the actual front in the evening? Could there be a lingering severe threat behind the the main line?
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Possibly the QLCS "runs ahead" from the front itself by a large enough amount, that there is a decent degree of recovery before the front itself moves in.
 
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Arcc said:
My exact words to my coworker earlier as the radio host was comparing it to 4/27. This is no where close to 4/27, but definitely in the ball park synoptically to that outbreak. Got a bad feeling about this one, but not April 27 bad.
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Hard to overstate how insane 4.27 was. It’s once-in-a-generation for a reason, similar to the superstorm of ‘93.
 
NickyBGuarantee said:
NAM at 18z looks to have backed off on severe parameters on Thursday for many areas. Much probably has to do with all the junk convection out ahead of the storm .. too many clouds were socked during all peak heating
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That's how it plays out most of the time around here and what ends up saving us.
 
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