Webberweather53
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The usual suspects are once again pedaling unsubstantiated conspiracy theories about when COVID-19 began
Sigh.
Sigh.
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Here is a link to a video featuring anti-vacciner Judy Mikovits, who slams Dr. Fauci as a fraud. I think she is an absolute nutcase. Y’all tell me what you think:
Here is her wiki: why should she be believed over Dr. Fauci with a history like this?
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This is what I think is the bad side of the internet. Way too much fake crapola that only leads to confusion.
Here is her wiki: why should she be believed over Dr. Fauci with a history like this?
Judy Mikovits - Wikipedia
This is what I think is the bad side of the internet. Way too much fake crapola that only leads to confusion.
Cad Wedge NC
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We will find out the truth sooner or later. It may shock some folks to know what was covered up and by whom..
Webberweather53
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Some folks (especially from a particular side of the aisle on this forum) love to stir up conspiracy theories that aren't supported by real evidence or science. ~10-15% of the population testing positive for COVID-19 antibodies in NY after its been in the country for several months doesn't exactly bode well for the righties in here pedaling the conspiracy theory that this was already running rampant in the US in December because "x" person I know or myself had "_____" symptoms that are similar to COVID-19.
The news out of New York continues to look better. 232 fatalities reported in Cuomo's briefing earlier. That's so much better than they were pumping out ~1,000 deaths per day for days on end a few weeks ago. I don't think they've exceeded 300 deaths since last week now. If only the rest of the country were also on the way down...
Cad Wedge NC
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Here is a link to a video featuring anti-vacciner Judy Mikovits, who slams Dr. Fauci as a fraud. I think she is an absolute nutcase. Y’all tell me what you think:
Here is her wiki: why should she be believed over Dr. Fauci with a history like this?
Judy Mikovits - Wikipedia
This is what I think is the bad side of the internet. Way too much fake crapola that only leads to confusion.
There probably is some truth in what she is saying, but how much of it is true we don't know. It certainly is interesting to say the least.
GeorgiaGirl
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It is possible that @ghost1's son either had a false positive or had an antibodies test that tests for all coronaviruses (which uh, I do think a lot of people would test positive for antibodies from that) and not SARS-CoV-2. We'd just need more details about that antibodies test.
But we have seen some hard evidence as well on cases before coronavirus was confirmed in countries. That cannot be denied. Don't know about all the way back to early December though. But in the Brazil example that I've seen in here (although I can't produce the link off the top of my head), this person's cause of death was changed from pneumonia to coronavirus, and their death I believe was one month before coronavirus was confirmed in Brazil. Unless this person traveled to China or Europe or was in direct contact with someone that did, and we're not going to know the details here...a fairy did not magically infect them with coronavirus. As long as Brazil was right about this case, there is no telling on who and how many before it was confirmed in that country.
But we have seen some hard evidence as well on cases before coronavirus was confirmed in countries. That cannot be denied. Don't know about all the way back to early December though. But in the Brazil example that I've seen in here (although I can't produce the link off the top of my head), this person's cause of death was changed from pneumonia to coronavirus, and their death I believe was one month before coronavirus was confirmed in Brazil. Unless this person traveled to China or Europe or was in direct contact with someone that did, and we're not going to know the details here...a fairy did not magically infect them with coronavirus. As long as Brazil was right about this case, there is no telling on who and how many before it was confirmed in that country.
Webb,
It is a constant battle that will never end. A small part of me wishes we could go back to the pre-internet days.
Wilkes races to the top #1 in cases doubling. 
Yep. Also, given how high the asymptomatic rate for this virus seemingly is, that's also a quite likely reason for the positive result. But a false positive is also quite possible. No way to know, unfortunately.
It would certainly be ideal to get a second antibody test to greatly diminish the chance of a false positive result, though I don't know how easy those are to come by.
SC cases down to 84 new as of yesterday. Has not been that low since March 27th which was 83.
164 cases now and 8 hospitalized. Numbers do not reflect recent testing at Tyson they will be released this week for 200 employees. More testing next week.
snowlover91
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Looks like China is silencing survivors from speaking out. Just a really bad look and I hope not only the US but other countries will start shifting our manufacturing away from them.
www.foxnews.com
China silencing Wuhan coronavirus survivors, bereaved families through hush money, police interrogation
The Chinese Communist Party has launched a campaign to silence coronavirus survivors and families who’ve lost loved ones, Fox News has learned.
www.foxnews.com
Lawsuit coming over drones flying over Tyson in Wilkesboro stressing workers out. Local government concerned multiple drones could cause a crash.
snowlover91
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It’s not a conspiracy theory at all, in fact I am seeing more evidence that indicate (though more evidence and study is needed) this may have been introduced into the US in late December. This article documents an early case in Europe that was recently discovered and the idea that it was spreading there mid to late December, many weeks earlier than the first confirmed case and previously thought.
“The French case indicates that the virus could have been circulating months before it infected enough people to start flooding French emergency rooms with patients, said Yves Cohen, a French doctor who helped lead the study.
“The important thing for us is to understand how the virus lives, how it propagates, to fight it better,” Dr. Cohen said. “The virus took more time to generate the epidemic than we thought previously.”
With the thought that this likely started in China in mid November its highly probable imo this was spreading through infected travelers to other countries in December, probably mid to late December.
An article by CNN cites a study indicating this was likely spreading several weeks earlier than thought in the US and Europe.
“They also found genetic evidence that supports suspicions the virus was infecting people in Europe, the United States and elsewhere weeks or even months before the first official cases were reported in January and February.”
The Tampa Bay Times reported results from Florida indicating patients testing positive for the coronavirus had symptoms beginning a few weeks earlier, some as early as late December. They do note it cannot be confirmed if the symptoms prior to their positive covid-19 test were directly from it or other causes and more research would need to be done in these areas.
“State health officials have documented at least 170 COVID-19 patients reporting symptoms between Dec. 31, 2019, and Feb. 29, according to a Miami Herald analysis of state health data. Of them, 40 percent had no apparent contact with someone else with the virus. The majority had not traveled. At least 26 people who contracted COVID-19 started showing symptoms in late December or January.
Many of us have long suspected that there were undetected cases in the U.S. long before we had our first confirmed case,” Toner said. The new data “helps to explain what appeared to be a sort of explosive outbreak out of nowhere.Alberto Moscoso, a spokesman for DOH, said that many confirmed COVID-19 patients “reported symptoms that started weeks before their confirmatory tests. It cannot be determined definitively if these early symptoms were a result of COVID-19 or other causes,” Moscoso said.
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I was just thinking about this yesterday. I think the lockdowns would have been much more effective.
pcbjr
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If I may pop in momentarily to humbly inquire ... Other than perhaps for stistical purposes, why does it really matter when the virus started circulating? Setting aside any thought of Chinese neglect, or worse, at this moment in time isn't the focus, or shouldn't it be, where we are now and where we're headed? To put it into a weather-like analogy, do I really care if a Cat 4 'cane bearing down on Cedar Key originated off of Africa weeks ago, slipped south of Cuba, made it through the straights and turned NE, or if it blossomed last week in the GOM ... either way, I have now and for the next few days will have some weather to deal with. Just wondering why so much focus on whether the origin was November, or December, or even earlier ... 
snowlover91
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If I may pop in momentarily to humbly inquire ... Other than perhaps for stistical purposes, why does it really matter when the virus started circulating? Setting aside any thought of Chinese neglect, or worse, at this moment in time isn't the focus, or shouldn't it be, where we are now and where we're headed? To put it into a weather-like analogy, do I really care if a Cat 4 'cane bearing down on Cedar Key originated off of Africa weeks ago, slipped south of Cuba, made it through the straights and turned NE, or if it blossomed last week in the GOM ... either way, I have now and for the next few days will have some weather to deal with. Just wondering why so much focus on whether the origin was November, or December, or even earlier ...
It may help with understanding the virus such as how quickly it spreads, takes to establish, how long before community spread starts, etc. There are a lot of unknowns about the virus still so pinpointing when exactly this was introduced into a country, where, how long it took for community spread to establish, etc are all some answers that could possibly be gained by pinpointing this precisely.
pcbjr
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Very good point, and thank you, but is the question of origin shrouding the question of repair? Just asking ...
snowlover91
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They could both be connected, depending on what researchers find. For example if they find evidence this started in the US in December, it might indicate the spread takes longer to establish and then affect how officials decide to handle it if we have a second wave this fall. If though it ends up staying with the current confirmed timeline then that would indicate that more aggressive measures might be warranted if this starts to escalate again. I think the timeline is one aspect that is important to get to the bottom of so scientists can better understand the rate of spread with this virus and how long it takes for community spread to begin once introduced to an area. That in turn will help give the various political leaders better data to go off of so I think they can both be connected in that way.
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