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I do believe in Jesus and see many signs that Revelations is being fulfilled. I also do have doubts that Christianity is the only way to heaven. If you look at other religions or beliefs most believe in a God just different ways to get to him. Main point is a one true God that all have different paths to get to him. We as Christians believe that thru Jesus is only way to heaven. Keep in mind that those who were raised that way we believe that. If one was raised as a Muslim then that is your belief taught to you from parents. I am big on history. Many questions that are not answered by Christians. Example like Enoch and Elijah were only two called up to God. Yet book of Enoch is not in Bible because the Christian Church believed it to not be worthy to be in Bible. So a man writes a book and is called up to God yet his book is not worthy to be included in the Bible? I have read it. It’s very worthy to be read by all Christians. Another question. God killed people in the Bible in Sodom and Gomorrah and the Flood and the children of Egypt and other times. Killed people when they did not have chances to know him. I question a God so loving he killed his people and his own son. I understand the choice of choosing him but some don’t get the chance. Another is when we get to heaven we will not know anyone and we will want to worship him all the time. So all those loved ones and those parents that lost kids will never know them in heaven. That to me sounds sad. Yes we will not remember or care but that to me sounds like he’s creating people to be robots in heaven. Think only one way and to only think of him. Is that free will? Bottom line of someone is raised to believe a certain way then that’s there belief. If what we are taught that God calls those he wants to him then that means he creates people to hell. Which is that right? Here is something I wonder. My grandparents and my parents and me have all been saying he’s coming back. What happens if another 100 years passes and we’re still saying same thing? Thing is in another 100 years there will be hardly any Christians. The numbers each year decline faster and faster. 8 of 10 churches closes a month now. 9 of 10 graduating seniors do not believe. Babies are killed every day. Hunger and sorrows. I question why would God who loves us so much allow this to continue on? As a father would you allow your children to suffer? Is that really love?
 
metwannabe said:
I've come to realize debating Christianity with nonbelievers isn't too effective. Best thing we can do is point them to Jesus, set the example and pray. Unfortunately all will not come to him and that is heartbreaking.

God is real, His love, His mercy, His grace and the salvation He gave us through His son Jesus is very real and I'm thankful everyday that by His grace I am saved!
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As Christians we are taught he has to prepare them to receive the gospel. If he has not prepared them then they will not receive it.
 
Matthew70 said:
I do believe in Jesus and see many signs that Revelations is being fulfilled. I also do have doubts that Christianity is the only way to heaven. If you look at other religions or beliefs most believe in a God just different ways to get to him. Main point is a one true God that all have different paths to get to him. We as Christians believe that thru Jesus is only way to heaven. Keep in mind that those who were raised that way we believe that. If one was raised as a Muslim then that is your belief taught to you from parents. I am big on history. Many questions that are not answered by Christians. Example like Enoch and Elijah were only two called up to God. Yet book of Enoch is not in Bible because the Christian Church believed it to not be worthy to be in Bible. So a man writes a book and is called up to God yet his book is not worthy to be included in the Bible? I have read it. It’s very worthy to be read by all Christians. Another question. God killed people in the Bible in Sodom and Gomorrah and the Flood and the children of Egypt and other times. Killed people when they did not have chances to know him. I question a God so loving he killed his people and his own son. I understand the choice of choosing him but some don’t get the chance. Another is when we get to heaven we will not know anyone and we will want to worship him all the time. So all those loved ones and those parents that lost kids will never know them in heaven. That to me sounds sad. Yes we will not remember or care but that to me sounds like he’s creating people to be robots in heaven. Think only one way and to only think of him. Is that free will? Bottom line of someone is raised to believe a certain way then that’s there belief. If what we are taught that God calls those he wants to him then that means he creates people to hell. Which is that right? Here is something I wonder. My grandparents and my parents and me have all been saying he’s coming back. What happens if another 100 years passes and we’re still saying same thing? Thing is in another 100 years there will be hardly any Christians. The numbers each year decline faster and faster. 8 of 10 churches closes a month now. 9 of 10 graduating seniors do not believe. Babies are killed every day. Hunger and sorrows. I question why would God who loves us so much allow this to continue on? As a father would you allow your children to suffer? Is that really love?
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Below is a link that addresses a couple of things you mentioned above. It is from a Catholicism point of view, but does a good job of delving into the Old Covenant vs New Covenant. I started to try and explain it myself, but this does a way better job. Our pastor actually spoke about the different covenants as part of yesterdays Easter service. His sermon addresses a lot of the questions you have toward the end of your post. If you would like I can send you a link to the sermon in a PM, just let me know. In reference to one God but different religion(beliefs) on how we get to heaven. The New Testament is very clear on how we get to heaven, so either you accept and believe that or you don't. It leaves no room for interpretation or other avenues(religions) to get to heaven.

www.schooloffaith.com

Why Does God Order So Much Violence in the Old Testament? — Holy Family School of Faith

If you’re reading through the Old Testament, you may be in for a shock. There’s blood. There’s gore. There’s more violence than a lot of movies. How can a loving God call for so much killing and violence? It can seem like there’s a divide between the violent “God of the Old Testament” and the lovi
www.schooloffaith.com www.schooloffaith.com
 
MichaelJ said:
Because Man brought sin into this once perfect world God created and allowed the world and all its inhabitants to change for the bad because of it.
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pandemics, hurricanes, and earthquakes aren’t about free will. The above doesn’t makes sense using the logic above.
 
LithiaWx said:
pandemics, hurricanes, and earthquakes aren’t about free will. The above doesn’t makes sense using the logic above.
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Those are all part of natural law. We are all going to die at one time or another whether that be old age, cancer, or a natural disaster. Yes, God does allow(doesn't stop) natural disaster. But as Christians we can not only look at the bad allowed, but more so the blessings He also allows. The same God that allows a hurricane to cause destruction and death, also allows many more hurricanes to not cause destruction and death.
 
To say there is more than one way to heaven, would be calling Jesus a liar.

John 14:6
Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
 
I do agree that sure seems this world is on a face pace to come to a close. With Jesus coming back or the world destroying itself. All the signs definitely are being full filled in the Bible. The hate and division amongst the whole world is so bad. Earthquakes, locusts, volcanoes, tornadoes, sickness, poverty, homelessness, crime and so much more. I could see this virus starting the end of times.
 
Matthew70 said:
I do believe in Jesus and see many signs that Revelations is being fulfilled. I also do have doubts that Christianity is the only way to heaven. If you look at other religions or beliefs most believe in a God just different ways to get to him. Main point is a one true God that all have different paths to get to him. We as Christians believe that thru Jesus is only way to heaven. Keep in mind that those who were raised that way we believe that. If one was raised as a Muslim then that is your belief taught to you from parents. I am big on history. Many questions that are not answered by Christians. Example like Enoch and Elijah were only two called up to God. Yet book of Enoch is not in Bible because the Christian Church believed it to not be worthy to be in Bible. So a man writes a book and is called up to God yet his book is not worthy to be included in the Bible? I have read it. It’s very worthy to be read by all Christians. Another question. God killed people in the Bible in Sodom and Gomorrah and the Flood and the children of Egypt and other times. Killed people when they did not have chances to know him. I question a God so loving he killed his people and his own son. I understand the choice of choosing him but some don’t get the chance. Another is when we get to heaven we will not know anyone and we will want to worship him all the time. So all those loved ones and those parents that lost kids will never know them in heaven. That to me sounds sad. Yes we will not remember or care but that to me sounds like he’s creating people to be robots in heaven. Think only one way and to only think of him. Is that free will? Bottom line of someone is raised to believe a certain way then that’s there belief. If what we are taught that God calls those he wants to him then that means he creates people to hell. Which is that right? Here is something I wonder. My grandparents and my parents and me have all been saying he’s coming back. What happens if another 100 years passes and we’re still saying same thing? Thing is in another 100 years there will be hardly any Christians. The numbers each year decline faster and faster. 8 of 10 churches closes a month now. 9 of 10 graduating seniors do not believe. Babies are killed every day. Hunger and sorrows. I question why would God who loves us so much allow this to continue on? As a father would you allow your children to suffer? Is that really love?
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Some of your questions can be answered by scripture such as the one about not knowing each other in heaven.

Will We Know Our Loved Ones in Heaven?

www.backtothebible.org

Some of them cannot be fully answered such as the one about people who never hear the gospel. The Bible does say paraphrasing" they that do the law not knowing it, will be a law unto themselves". That question I have pondered, but even though I don't know how a Holy loving God can let someone fall into hell without hearing, I know that I serve a fair loving, merciful judge. That is clearly evident throughout scripture and just because I don't understand it or understand how he shows them mercy, doesn't mean he doesn't and I'm not gonna accuse him in something I don't understand.

And the last point shouldn't surprise anyone, but God will always have a remnant.

The issue is when we look at suffering, we look through human eyes that are here for 80-100 years. What is a 100 years to a million, a billion much less eternity. The time we "suffer" down here is more or less one breath in a billion lifetimes and even that time scale is far too short.
 
Arcc said:
Some of your questions can be answered by scripture such as the one about not knowing each other in heaven.

Will We Know Our Loved Ones in Heaven?

www.backtothebible.org

Some of them cannot be fully answered such as the one about people who never hear the gospel. The Bible does say paraphrasing" they that do the law not knowing it, will be a law unto themselves". That question I have pondered, but even though I don't know how a Holy loving God can let someone fall into hell without hearing, I know that I serve a fair loving, merciful judge. That is clearly evident throughout scripture and just because I don't understand it or understand how he shows them mercy, doesn't mean he doesn't and I'm not gonna accuse him in something I don't understand.

And the last point shouldn't surprise anyone, but God will always have a remnant.

The issue is when we look at suffering, we look through human eyes that are here for 80-100 years. What is a 100 years to a million, a billion much less eternity. The time we "suffer" down here is more or less one breath in a billion lifetimes and even that time scale is far too short.
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If you will allow your mind to make an attempt at grasping the concept of eternity, it will scare you to the point of chills. Everything we know here on earth has a beginning and an end. God, on the other hand, has no time table. Just imagine, for a moment, being in Hell without any hope of escape forever... it almost makes me cry just thinking about folks being condemned to a fate like that. That's why we should do everything we can to spread the gospel of Christ.
 
Phillipans 4:19
19 And my God will supply every need of yours according to his riches in glory in Christ Jesus.

Amazing just how overly blessed we are. Not only good health, awesome family,job, but clean air,runing water, shelter,food. Never forget that everyone on this message board is wealthier than 90% of the worlds population. Anyone struggeling right now with job loss,financial trouble, health issues, family issues. Take inventory of the things we do have and all of us take for granted. Helps keep things in proper perspective. Have a Great and Blessed Day.
 
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Revelations isn't being fulfilled right now. People keep thinking they've been seeing signs of it for centuries. We won't know the day or the hour.
 
What if I told you that Revelation is not supposed to be a road map of the end?
 
Poimen said:
What if I told you that Revelation is not supposed to be a road map of the end?
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Agree. Eternity has no ending.
Think about it folks.
A)The Bible is right and we all will have eternal life.
Or B) its wrong and the average person lives 72.5 years and thats it.
 
Steven_1974 said:
Revelations isn't being fulfilled right now. People keep thinking they've been seeing signs of it for centuries. We won't know the day or the hour.
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True, we don't know the day nor the hour. However, there were clues given to us concerning the return of Christ:
Signs and wonders in the heavens, famine, earthquakes, disease, pestilence, etc. These things are happening. People just ignore it. Wake up America. Signs of the times are everywhere.
 
Steven_1974 said:
Revelations isn't being fulfilled right now. People keep thinking they've been seeing signs of it for centuries. We won't know the day or the hour.
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True on not knowing the day or hour and yes been said for many years seeing signs. Either way the world is going it’s not pretty and going to get worse as the Bible says.
 
Matthew70 said:
True on not knowing the day or hour and yes been said for many years seeing signs. Either way the world is going it’s not pretty and going to get worse as the Bible says.
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We're closer than ever before, all signs point to it for sure. One thing that I've learned is things never happen in the time frame that I expect it always takes longer.
 
Cad Wedge NC said:
True, we don't know the day nor the hour. However, there were clues given to us concerning the return of Christ:
Signs and wonders in the heavens, famine, earthquakes, disease, pestilence, etc. These things are happening. People just ignore it. Wake up America. Signs of the times are everywhere.
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Except those have been around for centuries and the end hasn't happened yet. It just seems more visible to you because it's easy to get news from around the world on everything. Other than being in a pandemic, there is nothing else any worse than it has been.
 
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