Sandbar
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I know tobacco farmers, grain farmers, pig farmers and chicken farmers. Not a single one is suffering from Trump policies. Liberal environmental policies yes.....
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I know tobacco farmers, grain farmers, pig farmers and chicken farmers. Not a single one is suffering from Trump policies. Liberal environmental policies yes.....
Downeastnc
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Yeah they are tired of the president constantly breaking the law and ethics rules with his behavior, and then basically telling Congress and the citizens to piss off he is untouchable because the president cant be held accountable. You guys keep harping about proof but ignore all of it.....the Mueller report, the dozens of people saying Trump withheld aid to force Ukraine to go after Biden, paying off porn stars, fleecing the taxpayer by funneling money into his own pocket through his hotels etc....and thats just some of it, throw in obstruction of justice at every turn and the only real surprise is how he has managed to avoided accountability for these actions for 3 years....
Downeastnc
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Well yeah because the US government thru subsidies ( aka socialism ) has pd over 100 million dollars to NC farmers thru last summer to make up for the losses from the impact of Trumps tariffs.....so the farmers get pd regardless for the most part, of course the money is coming from taxes instead of the Chinese. The total tariff subsides paid to US farmers over the last few years has exceeded 20 BILLION taxpayer dollars....
Cad Wedge NC
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Wow, that's a bold statement. I actually think you believe it.
Guys, our president will not be impeached, even if the House votes yes. The Senate will hold a fair trial and they will most definitely vote no. I can make up any story I want as to why he asked the Ukraine president to launch an investigation. However, there is no proof of a crime only the suspicion of a crime. This will not stand up in any American court. If you were to ask me, with a gun to my head, "Do you think he was really wanting to expose dirt on his rival"?..... I would answer, "It is within the realm of possibilities"..... But when all is said and done, it will be just my opinion and not a fact. Even a serial killer or a rapist will not be convicted without firm/undisputed evidence which proves beyond a "reasonable doubt" that he/she committed that crime. In this case, there is plenty of reasonable doubt....
Rosie
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Of course he won’t be convicted, senate is full of his supporters who would not see a crime if it happened in front of then.
I respect your opioion.
"Trump Lashes Out at Fox News for Giving Airtime to Democrats: ‘Pathetic!’"
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...democrats-pathetic/ar-BBXW254?ocid=spartanntp
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...democrats-pathetic/ar-BBXW254?ocid=spartanntp
What's threre to kid about does anybody on this thread get there info other than fox cnn radio show ECT probley not that's what's wrong all y'all say oh trumps got the economy rolling well weres the proof all he's done is talk smack and cut taxes for the rich. I'm a southern conservative democrat yess we do exist America is not as divided as it seems people with common sense are moderate not radical left or right.
Its scary how some people believe anything they read without doing their research.
Downeastnc
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It's really not a bold statement at all, the evidence all points to the president extorting/bribing the Ukrainian government by withholding the aid and access to get them to announce a investigation into Biden. You can act like there is no proof of a crime all you want, luckily for Trump impeachment is a political process not a criminal one. There is a reason Trump wont participate in the process and why they are claiming executive privilege to keep Mulvaney, Bolton, Pompeo, Rudy etc from testifying.....if there is no crime then why not let these guys come before the inquiry and blow the Dems out of the water with the facts that show the president did nothing wrong instead of hiding behind executive privilege....I think deep down everyone knows why. If Trump had exculpatory evidence and could make the Dems look like fools he would trust me.
I'm sorry y'all I have as much passion for this country as the next man were all Americans not dems or repuplicans. I saw a man in town with a bumper sticker it said (Your either a Republican or your unamerican......as a vet that's further from the truth...
I'd love to see Kasich start a new center right party. The country averages center right from what I understand and that happens to be where I am. Call it the "American Party".
Rosie
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I like Kasich.
It's in the details my paw always told me. We all have a lot in common even immigration and gun control on some level.
Downeastnc
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Unfortunately that name is already taken....I agree on Kasich, he got my vote in the primaries and I was very close to writing his name in but decided to vote 3rd party to drive those numbers up so the main parties see we have other options.....
There are lots of conservatives that act farther right than they really are right now since Trump and the wingers run the party, there are a lot of Tea Party types that have moved center like Haley, Lee, Sasse etc....the GOP has hitched itself to the wrong horse who is now running full speed at the cliff and intends to take everyone over with him.....they need to cut the reins and soon....sadly I dont think that is going to happen though.
Flurry
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When the American people can only go to basically one station for informative, trustworthy news
LOL...Sounds a lot like the DEMS....The DEMS & liberal main stream media spew crap all the time expecting the American people to believe what they are saying is true...Most of the people I know don't even watch that trash anymore...They know it's all being spun to benefit the liberal DEMS...Hard to find truthful news anymore
That would be interesting to say the least. While Trump is the loud mouthed AW, Kasich would live in Super Weenie Hut.
Sandbar
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Over the cliff? Really? If Obama didnt take us over I think were gonna be ok. At least most of us are gonna be ok. You and a few others I'm not so sure about. You seem to be driving your own self over intentionally!
Rosie
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Why would Obama take us over a cliff?
Yeah that's wrong.
Sandbar
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Obama had zero experience doing anything in his life other than organizing communities. We survived his inexperience and we will survive Trump. Nobody is going over any cliff. Its really not that hard to comprehend
Downeastnc
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When I say over a cliff I am referring to the GOP not the country.....
Sandbar
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Oh lord.....yeah I kinda figured that. Prople, country......nobodies going over any cliff
Theres some good reporters out there at every station but your missing my point DONT LISTEN TO MAINSTREAM I know because i live it I work it and I research it nothing to do with what a dang news reporter it's about being informed and sadly nobody is these days. There brainwashed.
Interesting times ahead for sure...Let's see how it goes.
Regan started nafta in the early 80s Bush included Mexico during his term Congress passed the bill with bipartisan support Clinton signed it because it was the will of the people (Congress). My point is manufacturing as we know it will never be the same the textile mills are gone for good nothing is one sided both parties were at fault and Obama tyred his best to clean it up. Trump was in good shape on inauguration day.
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Avalanche
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Lol. Please learn something. This post is full of falseness. Remember Obama saying "those jobs arent coming back". Now people are fully employed to nearly 3 percent. Trump was in good shape? Lol. Handed a 10 percent unemployment and successive decline in GDP. Well, Obama made sure there was no way to go but up, so in that sense, youre right. Lol
Unemployment was 4.7% when Obama left office, not 10%.
Downeastnc
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Pot meet kettle, you have already been corrected on unemployment which was under 5% and had been falling for years.....same with the GDP it was fairly steady in 2016 leading into Trump, the economy was stabilized and improving well before Trump took over.....presidents have very little to do with the rise and fall of the economy long term anyways...
unemployment hasn't been over 10 % in a long time
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Gary Johnson for President 2020.
Downeastnc
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Tomorrow should start the 4th time in this countries history that a sitting president has been formally impeached. The two articles of impeachment introduced today should be passed, I doubt Pelosi would bring them forth without the votes to pass them.
Sandbar
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President's dont control the economy, this much is true but they can and do introduce policy that can influence business practices, hiring and consumer confidence. Obama's problem is clear. He didnt do nearly enough to get us moving quicker
Lets get this to the Senate where it will die but not before the Republican's get to open Pandora's Box. Tomorrow (If it happens) will also be the start of the re-election of Donald Trump!
Lets get this to the Senate where it will die but not before the Republican's get to open Pandora's Box. Tomorrow (If it happens) will also be the start of the re-election of Donald Trump!
ForsythSnow
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On the first part, yes, Obama didn't get us moving as fast as we could have, but at the same time, congress and Trump didn't get us out of the wheelchair like we should have been. The spending needs to be reduced before we hit a recession that could turn very severe due to poor economic behavior beforehand.
For part 2, you don't know if the senate will just say "Nah let's not impeach him" Just because they have an R next to their name. If they don't want him in their party, are told real evidence that make his impeachment inevitable, or voting against it and putting their own re-election on the line, they will vote to impeach him. All it takes is about 3 or 5 republicans and all the independents and dems and he will be impeached. The bigger question is will they remove him or not. I think that if they choose impeachment he won't be removed, but that's just my guess.
Flurry
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Most level headed, patriotic Americans will not forget this...The DEMS have truly embarrassed themselves and shown their true colors...A very sad day for America....However all is not lost....The Senate will shoot this down immediately...The DEMS have all but ensured a Trump re-election...So in a weird way, I guess we should be thanking them...A tip of the hat to you, DEMMIES!!!
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Sandbar
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For part 2, you don't know if the senate will just say "Nah let's not impeach him" Just because they have an R next to their name. If they don't want him in their party, are told real evidence that make his impeachment inevitable, or voting against it and putting their own re-election on the line, they will vote to impeach him. All it takes is about 3 or 5 republicans and all the independents and dems and he will be impeached. The bigger question is will they remove him or not. I think that if they choose impeachment he won't be removed, but that's just my guess.[/QUOTE]
I have no doubt he will be impeached. In fact I am expecting it to go to the Senate where it will die. When it goes to the senate Trump and his attorney(s) will have the power to subpoena and I for one am looking forward to the bulldog being released on these scumbags
I have no doubt he will be impeached. In fact I am expecting it to go to the Senate where it will die. When it goes to the senate Trump and his attorney(s) will have the power to subpoena and I for one am looking forward to the bulldog being released on these scumbags
ForsythSnow
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You just contradicted yourself there. Saying you expect him to be impeached but the impeachment die in the senate makes no sense whatsoever.
Please watch how you say things like that. It's not a sad day for America if a president gets impeached in the terms you think it is. It's more a sad day for America that we had crappy candidates that one had to be elected, and they chose to take their presidency and screw it up. It's an embarrassment to the world that we are looking at impeaching. Hopefully he gets impeached and removed and we get someone competent in there like Pence for the rest of next year. Then the GOP can run a new candidate for 2020 who will be less extreme and more unifying, unless they screw that up.
Flurry
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What was inappropriate??? All my opinion....We have censorship on here now???
ForsythSnow
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No, you're fine having your opinion. That's not the part I was saying was wrong. By saying stuff like "A tip of the hat to you, DEMMIES!!!" is not necessary and starts to break the civil discussion. It only fosters divisiveness and causes people to take you less seriously as well. Trust me I don't want this to be a one-sided thread, but name calling and using all caps is one way to not be taken seriously.
Name calling is one of my biggest pet peeves in any debate. I've seen it from various posters. Fortunately, its pretty civil here.
We're all Americans first and foremost.
Sandbar
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Perhaps my wording could have been a little more clear. The House will impeach him. When it goes to trial in the Senate the upper hand goes to The President where I feel very confident this round will die a very quick death. I do fully expect the Democrats to go back into the lab and find something else to try and impeach him on because they can't win at the ballot box next year on socialist policies.
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