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Avalanche said:
Eh, Clinton not only said it, but did it, multiple times, and then had his wife (Hillary) defend him and call those women (in the courtroom) he slept with "trailer park trash".

Rather my daughter come home and say "some rude boy said he could grab my "*ussy", than to actually tell me some boy did. LOL.
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Trump did though. That's what he was bragging about.

I'm atheist. When Obama was president there was a co-worker swearing that because of the lurch to the left on gay marriage and such that gods wrath would come down on the USA. Hurricanes earthquakes.....typical old testament stuff.

No major hurricanes made landfall during Obama's tenure and yet we have had numerous major landfalls, fires and the 6.0 earthquake in cali.......when I brought that up the dude was less than eager to discuss it.
 
Flurry said:
Did you hear Jim Jordan question Sondland??? Doesn't sound like there's a problem
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Jim Jordan doesnt want people to hear what he's saying. That's why he is talking like the people at the end of a car commercial. The faster he speaks the less people can comprehend the nonsense.

So are all those people sondland fingered acting rogue and against them president essentially meaning trumps not driving the bus?
 
Shaggy said:
Jim Jordan doesnt want people to hear what he's saying. That's why he is talking like the people at the end of a car commercial. The faster he speaks the less people can comprehend the nonsense.

So are all those people sondland fingered acting rogue and against them president essentially meaning trumps not driving the bus?
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Sondland fingered people??? Come on, man...This is a family site!!!
 
Bham 99 said:
Because him saying grab someone by the p*$$$ is no worse than what me and you have done in our life
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I’ve never cheated on my wife with multiple women, paid off said women to keep their mouths shut, slept with a porn star, OR been linked to Jeffrey Epstein, who, by the way, didn’t kill himself.
 
tramadoc said:
I’ve never cheated on my wife with multiple women, paid off said women to keep their mouths shut, slept with a porn star, OR been linked to Jeffrey Epstein, who, by the way, didn’t kill himself.
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And neither have I but we have to look at ourselves how God sees it and we all fall short. That's the gospel. No one is any worse or better in God's eyes we are all sinners. Jesus died for the person that said a lie just as much as he died for the person that killed somebody and the reason for that is so man could not boast that they were better than someone else and deserve Heaven more than someone else. Sorry I know this sounds like a religious post but I was tying it into the political discussion.
 
tramadoc said:
I think God sat that election out. If you believe in the Almighty, then ask yourself why he would put a philandering liar who says, “Grab ‘em by the p*$$y”. I don’t think God had anything to do with that fraud getting elected.
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The same reason he allowed Nero to take power and burn his people at the stake and have them fed to Lions. For good or bad, God definitely had Trump get in office as he did Obama. His plan trumps Trump or anyone else.
 
tramadoc said:
FWIW, you guys are insane. Conservatives screaming about Obama being the devil and Trump being “The Chosen One”. How about some consistency here. God, Yahweh, Allah, Buddha, Vishnu... whatever monotheistic deity you worship (if real) has better things to do than worry about stupid American elections. Trump isn’t the chosen one just like Obama isn’t the devil. They’re a couple of hucksters that got people to believe in their rhetoric and got elected. Nothing more, nothing less. GTFOH with divine intervention.
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You are right, Obama isn’t the devil and Trump definitely isn’t the chosen one. The rest is just not accurate, but to each a choice to what he wants to believe.
 
Bham 99 said:
As a lifelong Republican as well, I have to ask, is not getting conservative judges appointed not a good enough reason to vote for Trump.The judicial system is where things count anyways. Just curious bc everything conservatives have been fighting for, for the past 20 years, was the supreme court. Trump has appointed record numbers of conservatives compared to past presidents and everything you voted for since 1992 would be turned around by a liberal court. Maybe I vote with the view of the long game, idk..
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So the ends justify the means no matter what? That is an awful philosophy.
 
Avalanche said:
The biggest news today is the indictment of Burisma's CEO. The report included the name "Hunter Biden" as the recipient of millions of dollars from the "slush fund".
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Nice whataboutism. I guess two wrongs make a right, eh?

/s for those who missed it
 
Arcc said:
No, but it likely means this whole impeachment idea was probably meant to sink Biden if this is true. I'll wait until more media picks it up to see.
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Well don't get your hopes up....in fact this may have been a fake story all together probably put out by Russia....the Interfax story does not have a byline usually a sign of a fake.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...mong-conservatives-on-social-media/ar-BBX3XHp

In fact, there was no announcement of an indictment. Ukraine's chief prosecutor, Ruslan Ryaboshapka, announced in October his office would conduct a wide-ranging review all previous cases involving Burisma, and today said he was including possible embezzlement in the investigation, according to Reuters.

ZeroHedge apparently misconstrued the original Russian article from Interfax-Ukraine News Agency, which did not mention an indictment. Interfax-Ukraine News Agency operates as part of Interfax, a Russian news outlet.

But that didn't stop allies of President Donald Trump from widely disseminating the false account of an indictment,
 
Downeastnc said:
Well don't get your hopes up....in fact this may have been a fake story all together probably put out by Russia....the Interfax story does not have a byline usually a sign of a fake.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...mong-conservatives-on-social-media/ar-BBX3XHp

In fact, there was no announcement of an indictment. Ukraine's chief prosecutor, Ruslan Ryaboshapka, announced in October his office would conduct a wide-ranging review all previous cases involving Burisma, and today said he was including possible embezzlement in the investigation, according to Reuters.

ZeroHedge apparently misconstrued the original Russian article from Interfax-Ukraine News Agency, which did not mention an indictment. Interfax-Ukraine News Agency operates as part of Interfax, a Russian news outlet.

But that didn't stop allies of President Donald Trump from widely disseminating the false account of an indictment,
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It very well could be fake, but if I'm Russia and I want to spread some news it wouldn't be fake. I would leak it out slowly to cause most damage. Regardless if Biden actually had the prosecutor fired, Hunter Biden being on a company he had no business being on that was under corruption investigation almost assures nefarious dealings were going on and if I'm Russia I definitely want that scandal coming out.
 
Arcc said:
It very well could be fake, but if I'm Russia and I want to spread some news it wouldn't be fake. I would leak it out slowly to cause most damage. Regardless if Biden actually had the prosecutor fired, Hunter Biden being on a company he had no business being on that was under corruption investigation almost assures nefarious dealings were going on and if I'm Russia I definitely want that scandal coming out.
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Why leak small amounts that can be fact checked? Drop a big headline and get people to believe instantly like they did. Trumps supporters already believe this 100% after seeing this article and now any reduction of the story will simply be the deep state coverup.
 
Shaggy said:
Why leak small amounts that can be fact checked? Drop a big headline and get people to believe instantly like they did. Trumps supporters already believe this 100% after seeing this article and now any reduction of the story will simply be the deep state coverup.
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Easy. When you leak small amounts out you get some like Sondland to do this and now if the Burisma guy is indeed indicted you have just made one of the “star” witnesses to appear he can’t find his backside with his hand. You also can then play the angle of the news media hiding the story. Lastly, the American public is quick to forget, so if you release it all at once, it’s quickly put out of mind. If I’m Russia and the article is fake, I’m moving money and pooling influence to make this happen.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1087511

You don’t have to help Trump, just hurt Biden. Support for impeachment is either stable or waning, so it won’t take much.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/impeachment-polls/
 
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For all you Obama worshippers, I just found out my Obamacare insurance is going up another $175 per month next year. This is without a change in income. HOPE. Lol. Next
 
Jimmy Hypocracy said:
For all you Obama worshippers, I just found out my Obamacare insurance is going up another $175 per month next year. This is without a change in income. HOPE. Lol. Next
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The way this is working out, just to stay current and have some income to spend on a Modelo I'll be picking a jury from a wheelchair at 85 ... and still looking for a snowflake in Hogtown ... o_O
 
For folks against Trump, I just want to point out to you that his wall would cost less that It would to maintain the Obamacare website to add onto what Jimmy said.
 
Biden told the game plan when he was giving a speech in China. He said something along the lines of "Sometimes to bring change you have to break the mold" that's all ACA was.......breaking the mold.
 
Shaggy said:
Biden told the game plan when he was giving a speech in China. He said something along the lines of "Sometimes to bring change you have to break the mold" that's all ACA was.......breaking the mold.
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Well if they want broke, they're getting it. Healthcare is becoming more and more unaffordable for more and more people.

And by the way, this is another prime example of a problem that people with the power to fix don't really want to fix. And the ordinary people are starting to see it slowly.
 
Rain Cold said:
Well if they want broke, they're getting it. Healthcare is becoming more and more unaffordable for more and more people.

And by the way, this is another prime example of a problem that people with the power to fix don't really want to fix. And the ordinary people are starting to see it slowly.
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Mostly because out leaders are so polarized they cant sit down at a table like friggen adults and put the country and the people ahead of their parties platforms and reach a compromise......sadly as the country becomes more polarized the populous on boths sides are buying into the "my way or the highway" philosophy one which I should add has and never will work when it comes to American politics.....our system is set up so that compromise is the way stuff gets done, this was intentional by the founders.
 
Interesting article from AP......this one little segment I had not heard before and it certainly makes the hold on the military aid and its timing that much more suspect....

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/factc...s-on-ukraine-corruption/ar-BBX8vlK?ocid=ientp

The Defense Department had already certified to congressional committees on May 23 that Ukraine had made enough progress on reducing corruption to receive the military assistance. Before the July hold on the aid, the Trump administration had approved sending aid to Ukraine nearly 50 times without holding it because of corruption concerns.
 
Downeastnc said:
Mostly because out leaders are so polarized they cant sit down at a table like friggen adults and put the country and the people ahead of their parties platforms and reach a compromise......sadly as the country becomes more polarized the populous on boths sides are buying into the "my way or the highway" philosophy one which I should add has and never will work when it comes to American politics.....our system is set up so that compromise is the way stuff gets done, this was intentional by the founders.
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I think that's part of it. I think another, if not larger, part is due to the influence of outside agencies,,,,corporations, institutions, money, perks that come with being in power, etc. There's way too much corruption at this point to ever make life better for the average person. It just ain't happening. The ideals of the system that the country was founded on are all but gone. The system is irrevocably broken, imo.
 
Rain Cold said:
I think that's part of it. I think another, if not larger, part is due to the influence of outside agencies,,,,corporations, institutions, money, perks that come with being in power, etc. There's way too much corruption at this point to ever make life better for the average person. It just ain't happening. The ideals of the system that the country was founded on are all but gone. The system is irrevocably broken, imo.
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The system is broken. Yesterday i was chastised because I wouldn't say it's ok for trump to do whatever to win. That i wont accept his behavior means I am a liberal trump hater who hates America which is BS. This was my response and it sort of ties into this disco about our severely crippled govt.

No. I dont need to believe in fighting dirty, illegally or any of the sort. To do so is to truly have given up hope. My response is to not accept that and to hold everyone accountable by my own standards. In the grand scheme that fixes nothing but at least I'm not a part of the downward slide generated by acceptance of poor behavior. Sooner or later that attitude you have is what allows it to get bad enough that we see truly despicable acts like jailing political opponets....afterall we have to do whatever it takes to win.

Now if you want to argue that the federal govt is broken and incapable of functioning at it's current level of partisanship then we agree. It is no longer a functioning govt.

Let's shed off the current representatives. Everyone is out. Let's hold new open elections that only members who are first term can run for and let's set term limits on the new members. Start from scratch. I'm all for it and support that 100%........but it's a fallacy. It won't happen no matter how badly it needs to happen.
 
Ollie Williams said:
For folks against Trump, I just want to point out to you that his wall would cost less that It would to maintain the Obamacare website to add onto what Jimmy said.
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The wall argument is like gun control, the only people that it impacts are the people who follow the law. The bad guys still get guns and will always get across the border.
 
Jimmy Hypocracy said:
For all you Obama worshippers, I just found out my Obamacare insurance is going up another $175 per month next year. This is without a change in income. HOPE. Lol. Next
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Obamacare is flawed but so was the system before it. Republicans had control of both houses under trump and did nothing to fix it. It's pretty easy to knock something but ask those same people how to fix it and you get crickets.
 
The high health insurance premiums are not the insurance companies’ fault but rather the ridiculously high underlying hospital and drug costs that have to be figured in when actuaries calculate the premiums needed to just to break even! Bernie doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
 
Shaggy said:
The system is broken. Yesterday i was chastised because I wouldn't say it's ok for trump to do whatever to win. That i wont accept his behavior means I am a liberal trump hater who hates America which is BS. This was my response and it sort of ties into this disco about our severely crippled govt.

No. I dont need to believe in fighting dirty, illegally or any of the sort. To do so is to truly have given up hope. My response is to not accept that and to hold everyone accountable by my own standards. In the grand scheme that fixes nothing but at least I'm thnot a part of the downward slide generated by acceptance of poor behavior. Sooner or later that attitude you have is what allows it to get bad enough that we see truly despicable acts like jailing political opponets....afterall we have to do whatever it takes to win.

Now if you want to argue that the federal govt is broken and incapable of functioning at it's current level of partisanship then we agree. It is no longer a functioning govt.

Let's shed off the current representatives. Everyone is out. Let's hold new open elections that only members who are first term can run for and let's set term limits on the new members. Start from scratch. I'm all for it and support that 100%........but it's a fallacy. It won't happen no matter how badly it needs to happen.
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I mentioned this many pages ago. TERM LIMITS. My thoughts are two 4 yr terms like POTUS.
Fire all of these career politicians!! 30 plus years for some is ridiculous. TICKS!!
 
Heelyes said:
Obamacare is flawed but so was the system before it. Republicans had control of both houses under trump and did nothing to fix it. It's pretty easy to knock something but ask those same people how to fix it and you get crickets.
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And the Republican house passed their version of healthcare and in the Senate it only died because of John McCain's vote and all Democrats voted against it. If I remember right murkowski of Alaska voted against it also.
 
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