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Pattern February Discussion

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After this last fiasco for some of us here in Georgia, unless I have some decent cold air in place, I am not getting excited about winter weather in our neck of the woods. The way I look at it, if I have to wait on the cold air to arrive, I have a very low confidence forecast. The lack of cold air this year has been a killer for us. Anomalies like this won't work for us.
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that's January, what does that have to do with what we are talking about in 10 days or so?
 
Wow I knew the temps were an improvement, but now that I saw a map that was blown up a bit, it's a big improvement. It won't cut it but it's not that far from doing it.
 
that's January, what does that have to do with what we are talking about in 10 days or so?
I think what he means is we really didn't do too well in Jan for the most part temp or storm wise. There are signs that the majority of Feb could end up warm and crap too.
 
I think what he means is we really didn't do too well in Jan for the most part temp or storm wise. There are signs that the majority of Feb could end up warm and crap too.
As long as the first half of Feb delivers, I don't care what happens in the second half. First half of Feb 2011 wasn't bad and then the second half was a torch I believe.
 
Yes, what I mean is unless I see some decent cold air, I'm not excited at this point. The timing of the last storm depended on the timing of the cold, and that didn't work out for many people.
Yep, when temps aren't even close it's hard to get excited.
 
Ice map from the first wave:
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Still need some of that make its own cold magic!?
 
I'm looking over the 0z Euro EPS, it is colder but the storm is weaker and being suppressed. I'm not sure why people are looking for details with temperatures. It is way, way too early to determine details of temps. We're in that stage on where we're looking for consistency of track of low and the storm signal. We're not quite in that stage to start determining details of the storm.

Going back to the 12z GFS, that high that starts coming down at 216, that HP should be more like over the upper Plains. You know my saying, good weather follows bad weather.


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12z gefs just took most of my hope away

massive temperature problems, pathetic looking highs on the individual members

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Thanks for the feedback! I think wrt solar minimum, if we are able to observe another easterly QBO/weak-moderate CP NINO combo in concert w/ this solar background, then it's feasible we could see at least 1 or 2 winters with exceptional high latitude blocking over the next several years, in fact this is the most conducive ENSO/QBO/Solar configuration for blocking. In a nutshell the general physical reasoning for this has to do w/ low solar activity allowing for accumulation of ozone in the tropical stratosphere, El Nino enhancing transport (& destruction) into the mid-high latitudes, and easterly QBO focusing RW activity in the winter hemisphere and onto the polar vortex. Granted, the recent slowing of the north Atlantic branch of the thermohaline circulation (via melting from adjacent Greenland ice sheet and internal naturally-induced inertia built into the AMO) may act to thwart this unusually favorable bgd forcing... Wrt, cooler weather for the SE US during the spring, I've noticed that the -ENSO composites as well as extrapolation of the early winter analogs are suggesting a relative break down of this mild pattern over the spring, but it's uncertain whether we will go BN for once and/or this is actually still a legitimate possibility as I will have to re-initialize my analog packages when time permits...

Thanks for the info. It would be a shame to finally get a favorable QBO/Solar state for blocking, only to have it ruined by an unfavorable evolution of ocean currents.
 
The 0z Euro deterministic run doesn't look bad for that second wave at the last hr. Too bad it doesn't go little further out. I can see the beginnings of the second wave. There is a LP reading over TX with the Arctic high to the north. That is a start of a good look. Can't wait to the 12z runs come in.

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The 0z Euro deterministic run doesn't look bad for that second wave at the last hr. Too bad it doesn't go little further out. I can see the beginnings of the second wave. There is a LP reading over TX with the Arctic high to the north. That is a start of a good look. Can't wait to the 12z runs come in.

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huh? the euro has the second wave at day 8 . it's horrible
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