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This is going to turn in to a mess, quick, I’m honestly a little surprised by the restraint from Ukraine so far. Isolated reports of stingers and javelin making contact but not 20 747s worth yet. My guess is they are sitting tight, sure hope that hardware does not end up with Russian forces.
 
Perhaps but if Russia and China team up together. No telling the outcome of that


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Just for perspective, the United States has 4 TIMES the number of Aircraft Carriers as Russia and China COMBINED. Let that sink in when comparing military budget, investment and strength.

Then let's factor in Japan, who is a major US ally and who is connected regionally to both nations, being ranked 5th in the most recent GFP (Global Firepower Review), and that's just the Pacific.

China nor Russia want this war. Sure they can throw a ton of manpower at it, but from a pure industrial strength standpoint, the US is king.
 
Just for perspective, the United States has 4 TIMES the number of Aircraft Carriers as Russia and China COMBINED. Let that sink in when comparing military budget, investment and strength.

Then let's factor in Japan, who is a major US ally and who is connected regionally to both nations, being ranked 5th in the most recent GFP (Global Firepower Review), and that's just the Pacific.

China nor Russia want this war. Sure they can throw a ton of manpower at it, but from a pure industrial strength standpoint, the US is king.
Also what sets us apart is the ability to move massive military assets rapidly around the globe and logistically sustain
 
Can't imagine that they're going to just agree easily tbh:



Unless this won't mean that a pro-Russian government is installed.

Putin's official reasons for the invasion was fear that the Ukraine would join NATO, followed by a bunch of US missiles all over Ukraine pointed at Russia. He also wants the current Ukrainian government to go, since it was installed after the protests in 2014, not by election. I'm not defending the invasion, but that fear is apparently big in the Russian leaders minds and driving the invasion right now. So they're willing to declare victory in exchange for Ukraine going neutral. At least, if they can be taken at their word. Let's hope things settle down soon, for the innocent peoples' sakes at least.
 
Can't imagine that they're going to just agree easily tbh:



Unless this won't mean that a pro-Russian government is installed.

Russia has been lying about everything all along, so I wouldn’t take them at their word here, either.
 
Two words: Hypersonic missiles. Russia is so far the only nation fielding these. China and the US aren't far behind. And if direct US allies and the US homeland aren't being threatened why are we going to put our systems to the test?
We are developing a multitude of hypersonic missiles and have been, they just weren't a priority because for 20 years we were hopping between opium fields in the Middle East.

Going back over the last few years and looking at the Defense Budget, in 2020, there was $2 billion allocated to developing hypersonic technologies, in 2021, it jumped to $3.2 billion, and in the 2022 budget proposal, $3.8 billion is now being proposed with 70 hypersonic programs drawing funds from this pool.

Russia didn't beat the United States to the punch more so than the U.S. just didn't see a need for it. The U.S. will catch up quickly.
 
Russia has been lying about everything all along, so I wouldn’t take them at their word here, either.
Yeah, we all know the Kremlin won't be offering terms unless they're hugely in favor of Russia. So I expect part of the terms is a new government in Kiev, favorable to Moscow, is required for peace.
 
Exactly and also there was this, Ukraine not entering NATO was not the only demand


Yeah, in more than one interview, Putin has made it plain that NATO needs to withdraw all troops in Europe back to their 1991 borders, which means no US troops east of Germany basically. But I wonder if part of that was to make a crazy demand that he hoped he could "talk down" to guarantees that NATO would not accept Ukraine under any circumstances. Who knows. Putin's a shrewd leader, so no telling how much of that was just diplomatic crazy talk and how much is actuality. Most likely he wants to push US out of Europe, if he could get away with it.
 
Also what sets us apart is the ability to move massive military assets rapidly around the globe and logistically sustain
No doubt. The U.S. has an enormous stranglehold on advantageous positions that make other nations feel vulnerable. China nor Russia like the fact that we have more Naval Firepower in Washington state, Hawaii, Japan and Guam alone, than they have combined, and that doesn't factor in the Atlantic and European fleets. We can move a bunch of men and equipment, in short notice, to every corner of the world and have enough firepower there to obliterate nations in a matter of days. You can bet your sweet @$$ that the U.S. Navy has Boomer Subs circling the Northern Pacific and Northern Atlantic as we speak.

People get too comfortable with thinking that the United States was weak after the Middle East but fail to realize that a war between nations would be far more ideal in maximizing the United States strengths and capabilities, whereas cave hopping, fighting an insurgency, and trying to beat out an ideology isn't.
 
Biden confirmed they believe Putin's goal is to move beyond Ukraine, beefing up military in those countries. I don't think the sanctions are strong enough, let's hope Putin isn't truly interested in going beyond Ukraine because that would be the day.
 
Biden confirmed they believe Putin's goal is to move beyond Ukraine, beefing up military in those countries. I don't think the sanctions are strong enough, let's hope Putin isn't truly interested in going beyond Ukraine because that would be the day.
Putin want to be the next Hitler…. We can kill him the same way too.
 
No doubt. The U.S. has an enormous stranglehold on advantageous positions that make other nations feel vulnerable. China nor Russia like the fact that we have more Naval Firepower in Washington state, Hawaii, Japan and Guam alone, than they have combined, and that doesn't factor in the Atlantic and European fleets. We can move a bunch of men and equipment, in short notice, to every corner of the world and have enough firepower there to obliterate nations in a matter of days. You can bet your sweet @$$ that the U.S. Navy has Boomer Subs circling the Northern Pacific and Northern Atlantic as we speak.

People get too comfortable with thinking that the United States was weak after the Middle East but fail to realize that a war between nations would be far more ideal in maximizing the United States strengths and capabilities, whereas cave hopping, fighting an insurgency, and trying to beat out an ideology isn't.
Exactly. We simply could not wage full war on those nations lands because we weren't fighting the nations themselves. A lot of bureaucratic and diplomacy issues would arise. The US could've easily sent an entire fleet of soldiers to the middle east and solved that issue in less than a year if it legally have done so without dealing with other nations.
 
Biden confirmed they believe Putin's goal is to move beyond Ukraine, beefing up military in those countries. I don't think the sanctions are strong enough, let's hope Putin isn't truly interested in going beyond Ukraine because that would be the day.
If what Biden said is true, then yikes!!! That's WW3/nuclear war without a question at that point being most of these Countries are NATO countries. I hope Putin isn't that crazy to actually think he somehow take more Countries besides Ukraine.
 
Biden confirmed they believe Putin's goal is to move beyond Ukraine, beefing up military in those countries. I don't think the sanctions are strong enough, let's hope Putin isn't truly interested in going beyond Ukraine because that would be the day.
Thats called setting up a strawman. Putin has no reason to go beyond Ukraine. Europe will cave very quickly as far as accepting the new reality. They have fought 2 world wars in Europe. In WW1 alone england suffered 723,000 dead and the war was never fought on their territory. In the space of 10 years the territory that became Ukraine went from russian control, to german control, to russian control, to polish control and back to russian control. The millions upon millions of dead Europe suffered in WW1and 2 arent easily forgotten. They will not fight with Russia over Ukraine. They will also go around any sanctions imposed on Russia any way they can. Sanctions sound awesome but a month from now, at most 2, the Nordstream pipeline will be approved and Europe will be eager to do business with Russia regardless of who controls Ukraine. We here just dont understand the mindset of Europeans and Putin.
One other point. We also gloss over our own failings. Not so long ago we invaded Iraq because we were conviced they were somehow a threat to us. In the long occupation many americans died and were maimed. Probably more than 1 million Iraqi's died. Hindsight shows us all we accomplished was to create more terrorism.
 
Ukraine will never agree to that


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Current Ukraine government,no, but what if capital falls and the government is relocated somewhere else and Russia plays a narrative proclaiming a pro Russian government then the new government agrees. Not sure the true advantage there if still fighting a strong resistance, with current government still in country just relocated, just thinking out loud for discussion. Russia narrative for Russian media
 
Thats called setting up a strawman. Putin has no reason to go beyond Ukraine. Europe will cave very quickly as far as accepting the new reality. They have fought 2 world wars in Europe. In WW1 alone england suffered 723,000 dead and the war was never fought on their territory. In the space of 10 years the territory that became Ukraine went from russian control, to german control, to russian control, to polish control and back to russian control. The millions upon millions of dead Europe suffered in WW1and 2 arent easily forgotten. They will not fight with Russia over Ukraine. They will also go around any sanctions imposed on Russia any way they can. Sanctions sound awesome but a month from now, at most 2, the Nordstream pipeline will be approved and Europe will be eager to do business with Russia regardless of who controls Ukraine. We here just dont understand the mindset of Europeans and Putin.
One other point. We also gloss over our own failings. Not so long ago we invaded Iraq because we were conviced they were somehow a threat to us. In the long occupation many americans died and were maimed. Probably more than 1 million Iraqi's died. Hindsight shows us all we accomplished was to create more terrorism.
I could see Russia moving into Moldova next, but after that the path of least resistance is probably retaking some of the ex-SSRs in Central Asia. Unless Putin is crazy enough to take on NATO itself.
 
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