Honestly though, we've seen these situations where models start spitting out winter storms, first at this hour or that hour, one system, then another, not that one but this one and usually it is very indicative of winter weather pattern and usually (not always) something does eventually pan out. Gonna be some tough days/nights ahead, ups/downs, but I'll be shocked if a good number on here don't see something wintry in the next 2 weeks or so.