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Pattern The Great December Dump

metwannabe said:
I came on here to see what might be ahead for December per today's models, just a quick check since you know been busy with family. Anyway low and behold Mack the only one who is on topic

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With all due respect ... models could be showing an epic blizzard or a Cat 4 out of the Gulf on Christmas Day, and of course neither would be any where near right ... yet it would be another model run ... but as for the rest, so many seem unhappy and that's the disconcerting thing on the last Thursday of November ...
 
Webberweather53 said:
The only part of Alabama that’s seen well above (>150%) normal snowfall in the 2010s even against the 1981-2010 average that’s already a significant downward step change from much longer term means, is southern Alabama near the Gulf coast where storms are so infrequent that only a couple random events in a decade automatically push these areas to well above normal levels
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Snow droughts are not uncommon in Alabama. Birmingham went 11 years from 1949-1960 with no mensurable snow (trace amounts). The storm track has more impact than temperatures.
 
Jessy89 said:
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Maybe some ice for some?


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With a low spinning in Wisconsin, we would be more likely to see a typhoon than anything frozen
 
If you wanna see snow, move to Minneapolis. They've already been dumped on 2 times already I believe, another dumping tomorrow night and then another one on Sunday.
 
SoutheastRidge said:
If you wanna see snow, move to Minneapolis. They've already been dumped on 2 times already I believe, another dumping tomorrow night and then another one on Sunday.
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they do not have black eyed peas, corn bread, grits, sweet cole slaw or any form of decent bar-b-que whatsoever ... trust me ... it's one hell of a trade off for snow and with bad beer to boot ...

I can direct you to a bar up there with a jar full of 5 year old pickled quail eggs, though ... :eek:
 
Arcc said:
Here is BMX’s map.
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What is crazy is we didn’t take it in as much as we should have. That event was probably one if the greatest if not the greatest snow event recorded in East Central AL. According to snowfall charts of ‘93, the December 2017 likely surpassed it in these areas.
 
WEATHERBOYROY said:
Snow droughts are not uncommon in Alabama. Birmingham went 11 years from 1949-1960 with no mensurable snow (trace amounts). The storm track has more impact than temperatures.
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Correct. When I moved to Birmingham in 2006 they were in the middle of a snow drought that lasted from like 2002 to 2008 or 09 I think
 
Everybody here's talking about hot Decembers of the last several years, meanwhile I'm thinking about how I grew up all through the 90s with an absolute snow drought for south Louisiana. Then, between 2002 and 2017 we get a string of snows, almost half of which occurred in .... December!
 
Will Rossman said:
Everybody here's talking about hot Decembers of the last several years, meanwhile I'm thinking about how I grew up all through the 90s with an absolute snow drought for south Louisiana. Then, between 2002 and 2017 we get a string of snows, almost half of which occurred in .... December!
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I'm still growing up after all these years and you've got me beat dead nuts down by a backward century!
 
Monday morning, flurries/snow showers, rain/snow mix for a good portion of the Upper-South, mountains, far northern Alabama and Northern Georgia. The ULL will be to the north and east, however, short waves that will be associated with the ULL will bring precipitation as cold deep air is being filtered in. WPC does not include rain/snow mix outside of mountains, but I do think there will be flurries seen far south as northern Alabama and north of Atlanta. No accumulations outside of mountains and area's that do receive flurries. Any snow, it will not last long, but the northwest facing slopes may end up with a longer duration of snowfall.

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Tarheel1 said:
Yeah, our cold early December, went poof! And about that -NAO, good times!
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Still is going to end up below average for the first part ... and we did have a -NAO for like the past two weeks .. just cause u have a -NAO doesn’t mean ur always guaranteed strong cold attacks .. everything has to line up right .. and we have yet to see anything resembling a torch on models .. having a fairly normal December will be a win after everyone’s been crying for an absolute torch fest all December
 
Webberweather53 said:
“Golden” years... Huntsville, AL’s snowfall average has been virtually cut in half from nearly 4” from 1950-1985 to about 2” from 1986 to present. It’s all a matter of perception and I’d hardly call the more modern era “Golden”.
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Exactly. And a quick anecdote. I moved here in 2010 from Tuscaloosa and in the first winter we had something like 20" over four storms, and for three of those storms, the snow didn't even melt completely between them. I was thinking what an awesome place this must be. The next winter was a dumpster fire but the following two had great cold and some snow. Since 2014 it's just been sad, I think we've been below our 2" climatology all of those years except for maybe one. Sure it's better than Tuscaloosa, but it's only narrow swathes of Alabama have cashed in during the past 5 years.
 
It only *seems like the southern TN valley has had above normal snow in the 2010s, but relative to normal going back to 1870? Nah. Just a funhouse reflection of 'normal' really.
 
This is not horrible for mid Dec, to be honest.. granted Pacific turns into a mess after that, lol: 1575009172442.png
 
crecre9 said:
Exactly. And a quick anecdote. I moved here in 2010 from Tuscaloosa and in the first winter we had something like 20" over four storms, and for three of those storms, the snow didn't even melt completely between them. I was thinking what an awesome place this must be. The next winter was a dumpster fire but the following two had great cold and some snow. Since 2014 it's just been sad, I think we've been below our 2" climatology all of those years except for maybe one. Sure it's better than Tuscaloosa, but it's only narrow swathes of Alabama have cashed in during the past 5 years.
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After reading this i regret moving to Tuscaloosa because since I've been here (2 years now) we only gotten maybe an inch and a half of snow which sucks
 
South and slightly west, central Ala.. better? Montgomery is pure south central Ala, I guess. My bad, no offense.
 
I think the biggest takeaway is Canada is not getting warm in Dec, especially our primary source region for winter cold here in the SE US.
 
SETNwx said:
I think the biggest takeaway is Canada is not getting warm in Dec, especially our primary source region for winter cold here in the SE US.
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Nope, this monstrous Gulf of Alaska trough in the extended as we experience +EAMT this week will flood the North American continent w/ mild Pacific air & most of the cold air will remained bottled up in extreme northern Canada or exit stage right over the Atlantic Ocean. I hope u like stale, Pacific air.


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