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Presidential Election 2024

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At least Stein appreciates good NC bbq.
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Shaggy said:
None of us have ever resorted to nake calling or any other disruptive behavior. Asking people to explain how trumps tariffs will help instead of hurt isn't infighting, anger or division.....it's asking a question
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Good faith then? I answered your question and you ignored mine, which was just as relevant.

You want to turn Shaggy invisible? Just ask him a non-abortion policy question.
 
lexxnchloe said:
Nate Silver says something is odd with the polling. I think it will be over rather early on Tuesday one way or the other.



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lexxnchloe said:
Just anecdotal but Mark Halperin says Harris is in trouble in WI

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A previous post of mine alluded to both of these scenarios before the Twitter storm.

Again.

Public polls are different and they much closer than internal polls. I believe silver's thoughts about them being suspiciously close for so long. It feels like a narrative.

Bro. Virginia is within 0.5 freaking points. Trump added NM and VA to his event spots for a reason.

And I am still flabbergasted that freaking Minnesota is within Trump's grasp. It's wild to me.
 
One final note about these polling numbers.

This election comes down to three core issues. The economy, abortion, and the border.

Trump is strong in 2/3 of these areas.

There are two unforseen problems that Trump needs to address quickly.

He is having problems in Nevada because of the unions. Not problems like he is going to lose, but problems making it closer than it needs to be.

He has a problem with older voters. Sounds crazy right? Youd assume the seniors are all trump right? The mainstream media says so. No.

He's having issues because in the actual close states, Harris is hammering home a message that he's coming after social security benefits. They are being swayed by it too. He has to speak about it or he's in for a surprise.

The internal idea is he is doing well, but there are strategy issues that he is going to wish he did differently. Kellyanne Conway helped lead him to a win in 2016 and it's someone else running the show this time. I can guarantee you that she sees holes in this campaign mentioned above.

If trump is going to win, he has to offset women voting on one issue and that's abortion. If election day turnout with African Americans and men does not supersede the single issue woman vote, yes, it will swing into Harris's favor.

When all is said and done, Trump must have a large showing on election day and IF that happens, he will win bigly. Bigger than 2016.

People won't admit to you that Trump has a chance of winning not only the electoral college, but the popular vote this time around too.

It's up to the voters on election day. Are they all voting early? We actually don't know. Supposedly trump has around a 20 point advantage on men who say they are voting on election day.

And one more note. The whole country is completely divided regardless of the outcome. There will likely be big civil problems. I suggest everyone not react to either side and their pandering over the next few weeks. Sit back and move in silence. Things are going to get rough.

You can feel a tension just out and about that doesn't feel good. There is no joy as one would say. There is no voter enthusiasm as another would say. It feels like people are getting to a point where it's either "this or that and no in between" and it's becoming dangerous.

I think we are going to see the repercussion of what an echo chamber can cause. Both sides as of now, are in their own world and can't see the other party winning. The left is most guilty of creating these echo chambers online. Just check out the echo chamber reddit has become for example. It's not good.
 
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$alt said:
A previous post of mine alluded to both of these scenarios before the Twitter storm.

Again.

Public polls are different and they much closer than internal polls. I believe silver's thoughts about them being suspiciously close for so long. It feels like a narrative.

Bro. Virginia is within 0.5 freaking points. Trump added NM and VA to his event spots for a reason.

And I am still flabbergasted that freaking Minnesota is within Trump's grasp. It's wild to me.
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If I am a democrat, I’m definitely worried about the drop around the country in registered democrats voting early. While certainly they may all turn out on Election Day, but it makes me think that the “stick it to the orange man” sentiment isn’t there this year. If that is true, that will be a huge boost for Trump.
 
lexxnchloe said:
But none of that happened in his first term. One thing that did happen was dem govs became dictators during corona. Trump did not.
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Household prices went up considerably under Trump's first term and nobody ever said a word about it because y'all loved it it's just a fact go back and research it it's going to happen again when Trump takes office if he wins except for it's going to be worse this time because he's going to have an across the board tariff on All Imports just as long as you're ready for it and you're willing to accept it and that's fine but don't act like it's not going to happen if he wins
 
$alt said:
A previous post of mine alluded to both of these scenarios before the Twitter storm.

Again.

Public polls are different and they much closer than internal polls. I believe silver's thoughts about them being suspiciously close for so long. It feels like a narrative.

Bro. Virginia is within 0.5 freaking points. Trump added NM and VA to his event spots for a reason.

And I am still flabbergasted that freaking Minnesota is within Trump's grasp. It's wild to me.
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MN is not within Trump's grasp, he loses that state by 6-8 pts at least, same thing in Virginia....neither of those states are really in play unless tons of early voting women voted Trump.....which according to all available data is the opposite of what is happening.
 
lexxnchloe said:
But none of that happened in his first term. One thing that did happen was dem govs became dictators during corona. Trump did not.
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Every stream of actual evidence runs counter to the main narratives about Trump out out by the left. You don't even need to bevall that smart to see and understand it.

You don't need expert research skills, a super analytical mind, or a background data mining or decoding. You only need to do two simple things:

1) Remember what happened during his first term, and

2) Ignore the soundbites and the commentary about those soundbites, and listen to the entirety of his actual words.

If you want to throw in a third, I guess you could add all years of demonstrably fake conspiracies against him, all of the attempts to throw him in jail, all of the assassination attempts, and all of the constant cateogorization of his supporters as dumb human garbage by the left.

This is really, really easy.
 
Rain Cold said:
Every stream of actual evidence runs counter to the main narratives about Trump out out by the left. You don't even need to bevall that smart to see and understand it.

You don't need expert research skills, a super analytical mind, or a background data mining or decoding. You only need to do two simple things:

1) Remember what happened during his first term, and

2) Ignore the soundbites and the commentary about those soundbites, and listen to the entirety of his actual words.

If you want to throw in a third, I guess you could add all years of demonstrably fake conspiracies against him, all of the attempts to throw him in jail, all of the assassination attempts, and all of the constant cateogorization of his supporters as dumb human garbage by the left.

This is really, really easy.
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I dont know what is wrong with saying if Liz wants young men to die in war then she should be the first to face the bullets.

 
Downeastnc said:
MN is not within Trump's grasp, he loses that state by 6-8 pts at least, same thing in Virginia....neither of those states are really in play unless tons of early voting women voted Trump.....which according to all available data is the opposite of what is happening.
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Could be, but considering this quote is from PBS.

  • Lisa Desjardins:
    There's a gender gap in these early voting returns. Right now, we see by far more women than men are voting, in fact, by 10 points.
    That's something that the Harris campaign likes. We see in polls, including our poll in October, that Harris really dominates with women. They believe, the more women vote, the higher the proportion is, the better it is for her.
    Now, I will note this is the same proportion as we saw in 2020 in that election. Joe Biden, of course, won in part because of the gender gap in this election. Now, these are just early votes. We don't know if these women are necessarily Democrats or Republicans.
    And I will say there is reason to believe that there are more conservative women voting this year. And I will show you why, at least early. In 2020, if you look at the data for rural and urban voters, it was about the same proportion of early votes.
    But look this year. Look what we have, a gap, rural voters making up a much larger proportion of the early vote than they did in 2020. And I can testify from being in Georgia, Virginia, this definitely has to do with Trump and his campaign pushing to try and get out their red voters, especially in rural areas.
    They are definitely showing up. Now, the question is, are these new voters or are these voters who would have voted anyway, they're just doing it earlier?
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lexxnchloe said:
I dont know what is wrong with saying if Liz wants young men to die in war then she should be the first to face the bullets.

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Nothing's wrong with it.

It's just that the deranged Democrats hate Trump so much that they're looking for any/every little thing to attack him over, no matter how ridiculous.
 
Who would've thought all those guys talking about alpha males in the gop and betas in democrats was just more projecting. How beta do you have to be to be mad that women can vote against what you want ? Sounds like these guys are fragile

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Women are voting — and it’s driving MAGA men mad

With Election Day just around the corner, conservative influencers are openly fretting about women voting.
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Shaggy said:
Household prices went up considerably under Trump's first term and nobody ever said a word about it
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Trump:

January 2017 Home Prices = $243K
January 2021 Home Prices = $285K (17% increase)

Biden

January 2021 Home prices = $285K
September 2024 Home Prices = $426K (50% increase)

Average Inflation Under Trump = 1.9%
Average Inflation Under Biden = 5.2%

^^^So while you are correct that prices went up under Trump, they didn't go up nearly as much (nor as fast) as they did under Biden. So that's why not nearly as many people talk about what happened under Trump...
 
Downeastnc said:
MN is not within Trump's grasp, he loses that state by 6-8 pts at least, same thing in Virginia....neither of those states are really in play unless tons of early voting women voted Trump.....which according to all available data is the opposite of what is happening.
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If the internal polling isn't correct and the public data is, then why did Kamala put a bunch of spending out of soon to be again red NC into VA?
 
NorthDFWwx said:
Trump:

January 2017 Home Prices = $243K
January 2021 Home Prices = $285K (17% increase)

Biden

January 2021 Home prices = $285K
September 2024 Home Prices = $426K (50% increase)

Average Inflation Under Trump = 1.9%
Average Inflation Under Biden = 5.2%

^^^So while you are correct that prices went up under Trump, they didn't go up nearly as much (nor as fast) as they did under Biden. So that's wjy not nearly as many people talk about what happened under Trump...
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I was referring to price of goods. For example, washing machine prices skyrocketed under trump. The average house spent an additional 2.5k or more for everyday items under trumps tariffs the first go round. He is expanding those tariff plans if he wins again.
 
Shaggy said:
Post covid inflation is a global problem.
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Now, a more honest argument can certainly be made tht Biden has no control of monetary policy, between the $4 trillion additional dollars the FED printed and the fact that they spiked interest rates at a pace not seen since the Volcker era under his administration.

But that's not what you seem to be saying (unless I'm mistaken).

And even then, the truth is Biden *DID* make several policy blunders that heavily contributed to the high rate of inflation:

1. Russian sanctions that cut off much of the developed world from its much-needed natural resources (which is why so many people are eager to elect Trump, in hopes of normalizing those relations again).

2. Biden's stonewalling of domestic oil fracking/drilling projects to appease the environmentalist within the Democratic Party.

3. Biden's largely unconstitutional COVID-19 vaccine mandates that stymied the hiring efforts of major employers, just as the country was emerging from the lockdowns.
 
NorthDFWwx said:
Now, a more honest argument can certainly be made tht Biden has no control of monetary policy, between the $4 trillion additional dollars the FED printed and the fact that they spiked interest rates at a pace not seen since the Volcker era under his administration.

But that's not what you seem to be saying (unless I'm mistaken).

And even then, the truth is Biden *DID* make several policy blunders that heavily contributed to the high rate of inflation:

1. Russian sanctions that cut off much of the developed world from its much-needed natural resources (which is why so many people are eager to elect Trump, in hopes of normalizing those relations again).

2. Biden's stonewalling of domestic oil fracking/drilling projects to appease the environmentalist within the Democratic Party.

3. Biden's largely unconstitutional COVID-19 vaccine mandates that stymied the hiring efforts of major employers, just as the country was emerging from the lockdowns.
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Russia sanctions are necessary for their illegal actions and genocide.

To point 2 we don't need their oil we have been setting daily production records far exceeding trumps oil drilling numbers.

Point 3 I'm not sure I agree with in general as private companies set their own standards on hiring not the govt.
 
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