Interesting take from this admittedly strongly pro-Trump person (see below) at another forum. Is it possible that Trump is the “good guy” as regards Ukraine after all? I haven’t thought so and still don’t think so, but I’m trying to be open-minded even though I don’t like him and have been a Biden fan. Then again, I don’t trust the Dem establishment at all and hate the direction the Dem party is moving in. Anti-Trump folks, is it possible that this guy is onto something? I think he’s being mislead by pro-Trump sources but read this and see what you think. I don’t see myself ever going pro-Trump but I may need to consider ditching Biden if this is real despite my liking him overall the last 30 years:
“Sometimes, it takes awhile for enough evidence to come out to make things clear. For me, it is now thanks to your link cliff.
1. There was blatant corruption going on in the Ukraine while joe Biden was VP. He took advantage of it using nepotism to get his son a job he was completely unqualified for in 2014 that made his son a wealthy man with the understanding that this would give them benefits because his father was VP of the United States. 100% chance that this happened(unlike the quid pro quo, where there was no transaction) because Hunter actually took the position and got paid millions of real dollars.
2. While the corruption was being investigated.................and it affected Hunters company and position, VP Biden was right in the middle of it. He not only had numerous conversations to influence the outcome but after the decision was made to fire a key person in the investigation, Joe Biden, later on bragged publically about him personally being responsible for causing that to happen. At the time, Joe wanted everyone to know about how he was so powerful as VP that he could have such influence......abuse of his power really. Bragging about this has got to be the most regretable thing that Biden has done in his life. After this corruption and his son's position because an issue, to use against Trump, VP Biden, the dems and MSM want us to pretend that he really didn't say this.
3. President Trump, aware of this REAL corruption(by his opponent) decides to investigate and uncover it. Funny, how all we hear from one side is that he was "digging up dirt" Look at the facts, there WAS corruption, the Bidens were in the middle of it and VP Biden used his position as VP to affect the outcome(there was US aid to the Ukraine that was involved for a time). 100% chance of this. The evidence is screaming loudly at us to look at it.
4. So who investigated this corruption previously and what did they find? Clearly, any DOJ investigations of this real corruption would find no wrong doing by Biden. Heck, in early 2019, they were still not done with their 2.5 year bogus investigation into President Trump.
5. So he answer is that VP Biden's role in this corruption was NEVER investigated by a source that wanted to find anything but him innocent and if there ever was to be a legit investigation, Trump was going to have to do it.
6. So now, we have the circumstances for which Trump, asking the Ukraine for help with the LEGIT investigation into REAL corruption that unquestionably involved VP Biden is in the line of fire because of how he went about it and who is being investigated and it being twisted into Trump as being the corrupt one, not Biden.
7. The MSN and dems continually insist that there is no evidence that the Bidens did anything wrong because they refuse to show us the CRYSTAL CLEAR evidence that cliff was kind enough to provide us. They characterize Trump as insisting the Ukraine dig up dirt on Biden, when thats not what happened at all. We saw the transcript of the REAL Trump evidence, the phone call. He asked nicely for help in the LEGIT investigation and never attached any conditions. The Ukraine repeatedly insists there was no bribe, they felt no pressure and didn't even know there was a delay in the aid until near the end.”
