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The WB attorney tweeting about a "coup has started" over a year ago and now this.... if this were a normal criminal case, all so called evidence would be thrown out by a judge and case dismissed. But as it is, impeachment is political and will roll on until they finally vote to impeach, the senate will not convict and we can all move on.
 
The WB attorney tweeting about a "coup has started" over a year ago and now this.... if this were a normal criminal case, all so called evidence would be thrown out by a judge and case dismissed. But as it is, impeachment is political and will roll on until they finally vote to impeach, the senate will not convict and we can all move on.

All kind of just makes you scratch your head and say, "HHHMMM"....
 
And Yavanovitch is supposedly one of the "star" witnesses for this whole WB case against Trump...Another head scratcher!! Might diminish her credibility just a little
 
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One of the things that bothers me so with this whole impeachment thing is it's become so political (impeachment has always been political but it's far more so now) that it's devaluing the process. Just like the #metoo movement in some ways devalued the term/allegation sexual assault (don't misunderstand what I'm saying here and go after me), it negatively effects the process for true sexual assault victims. Same holds true for impeachment, if it gets used on every political whim then it may be overlooked or not taking seriously by the electorate when an actual serious legit impeachable offense ever occurs.
 
One of the things that bothers me so with this whole impeachment thing is it's become so political (impeachment has always been political but it's far more so now) that it's devaluing the process. Just like the #metoo movement in some ways devalued the term/allegation sexual assault (don't misunderstand what I'm saying here and go after me), it negatively effects the process for true sexual assault victims. Same holds true for impeachment, if it gets used on every political whim then it may be overlooked or not taking seriously by the electorate when an actual serious legit impeachable offense ever occurs.



I hope we're not becoming a nation of WB'ers and heresay artists, but a lot of things going on in this country really scare me right now
 
I hope we're not becoming a nation of WB'ers and heresay artists, but a lot of things going on in this country really scare me right now

We are. For sure. And don't think for one second the next admin is going to face similar challenges.
 
And Yavanovitch is supposedly one of the "star" witnesses for this whole WB case against Trump...Another head scratcher!! Might diminish her credibility just a little

Did you read the article? This is the email she received from a staffer and she referred her inquiry for information to the proper channels...when asked if she had responded to the emails she replied that she had forwarded to the EUR.....which is what she did. What exactly about this exchange changes anything about her testimony or what happened in regard to Ukraine?

"I'm writing to see if you would have time to meet up for a chat — in particular, I’m hoping to discuss some Ukraine-related oversight questions we are exploring," Carey then wrote to Yovanovitch. "I'd appreciate the chance to ground-truth a few pieces of information with you, some of which are quite delicate/time-sensitive and, thus, we want to make sure we get them right."
Carey continued: "Could you let me know if you have any time this week or next to connect? Happy to come to a place of your choosing, or if easier, to speak by phone at either of the numbers below. I'm also around this weekend if meeting up over coffee works."

This is the reply from the Ambassador

On Aug. 15, Yovanovitch responded: "Thanks for reaching out — and congratulations on your new job. I would love to reconnect and look forward to chatting with you. I have let EUR [Bureau of European and Eurasian Affairs] know that you are interested in talking and they will be in touch with you shortly."
 
Were you scared because you thought it was true or because Trump and others made a big deal out of nothing? Conspiracy theories about Obama are true but evidence against Trump is fake news?

There is tons of cognitive dissonance on the right currently, the sad part is they totally 100% bought in to Trump's constant parroting of MSM equals fake news and the only "true" source is his tweets and Fox.....this was smart on Trumps part as it conditioned his followers to ignore the legitimate news sources that would take exception with Trumps BS as fake news and to embrace the fake news and lies he tweets etc as the truth......so all credit to Trump on that he knows how to con folks.

On another board I am on for hunting etc there is a political board and the amount of posters there who do not understand what is going on IRT Ukraine is frightening, all their links are from sources like maganews.com or OAN, or Epochtimes etc....I post excerpts from the actual released transcripts from the inquiry and they treat it like its fake then link videos from crackpots on Youtube that go into all this speculation of stuff that has been disproven and totally believe it to be true......its crazy.


In other news it sounds like Bolton had his lawyer release a letter saying Bolton can testify to verify a lot of the already released transcripts of others and that he has stuff from meetings that has not been covered yet that relate to the Ukraine investigation.....there is a hold up though on how to get him to testify....still it was a interesting statement to make.

Letter is here....

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthe...6280830dd7bb213a076/optimized/full.pdf#page=1

Juicy part here

After all, Dr. Kupperman was the Deputy National Security Advisor to the
President throughout the period to your inquiry.The same is true, of course, of Ambassador
Bolton, who was the National Security Advisor to the President, and who was personally
involved in many of the events, meetings,and conversations about which you have already
received testimony, as well as many relevant meetings and conversations that have not yet
been discussed in the testimonies thus far.
 
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There is tons of cognitive dissonance on the right currently, the sad part is they totally 100% bought in to Trump's constant parroting of MSM equals fake news and the only "true" source is his tweets and Fox.....this was smart on Trumps part as it conditioned his followers to ignore the legitimate news sources that would take exception with Trumps BS as fake news and to embrace the fake news and lies he tweets etc as the truth......so all credit to Trump on that he knows how to con folks.

On another board I am on for hunting etc there is a political board and the amount of posters there who do not understand what is going on IRT Ukraine is frightening, all their links are from sources like maganews.com or OAN, or Epochtimes etc....I post excerpts from the actual released transcripts from the inquiry and they treat it like its fake then link videos from crackpots on Youtube that go into all this speculation of stuff that has been disproven and totally believe it to be true......its crazy.


In other news it sounds like Bolton had his lawyer release a letter saying Bolton can testify to verify a lot of the already released transcripts of others and that he has stuff from meetings that has not been covered yet that relate to the Ukraine investigation.....there is a hold up though on how to get him to testify....still it was a interesting statement to make.

Letter is here....

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthe...6280830dd7bb213a076/optimized/full.pdf#page=1

Juicy part here

After all, Dr. Kupperman was the Deputy National Security Advisor to the
President throughout the period to your inquiry.The same is true, of course, of Ambassador
Bolton, who was the National Security Advisor to the President, and who was personally
involved in many of the events, meetings,and conversations about which you have already
received testimony, as well as many relevant meetings and conversations that have not yet
been discussed in the testimonies thus far.
What if this is all Trump's plan and he is smarter than people think? Imagine Trump doing everything that he is accused of and him doing it with the intention of taking out Biden and daring the Dems to impeach because he knew he can shoot someone on fifth avenue and get away with it.
 
I hope we're not becoming a nation of WB'ers and heresay artists, but a lot of things going on in this country really scare me right now

The WB doesnt matter as much as people like to think. Here is a quote from Rep. Swalwell.

“I look at the whistleblower like someone who pulled a fire alarm, and first responders show up, and they see flames, smoke, a burning building, an arsonist holding the gasoline can with matches,” said Swalwell. “Don't really need to know who pulled the fire alarm.”
 
Funny little post on Reddit of how things have gone IRt Sondland.....

Sondland: No quid pro quo

Trump: See, my buddy here knows his stuff, and he says no quid pro quo

Every other witness: Yes quid pro quo

Congress: So, perjury?

Sondland: What's perjury?

Sondland: I googled perjury. I'd like to amend my statement to "Yes quid pro quo."

We are here

Trump: This man is an idiot/spy/liar and he doesn't know anything and also I've never met him.

And now we are at the "I barely knew the guy" stage.

Why cant winter storms be this predictable?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-whistleblower-treason-sondland-002556125.html
 
And now, will "Shifty Schiff" testify??? Would love to hear what he has to say!!! Maybe he can enlighten all of us....
 
I've been on different boards with him since the early 2000's. He's had a lot of practice at debating on political forums.

Yeah we go way back, I don't reckon I know to many others that I have been posting with longer than you, I know a lot of the mods here are older school folks I have known forever.....maybe even a few from the Wright Weather forum and the old Weather Channel forum.....that was all late 90's.
 
Here's my take...The every day Wal-Mart, gun toting, Deplorables are sick of the "politics as usual" mentality in DC....You know, every politician on the take...We finally have a President who is trying to "take out the garbage" up there, and he is constantly getting attacked...A lot of people up there are scared and nervous...Oh no, they might be exposed....Well, I hope every one of them are exposed and brought to justice...Our great country deserves better than this...Leave the President alone, and let him do his job...I'm surprised he has gotten as much accomplished as he has....The House is against him on everything...This will all come out in the wash, and I can't wait!! God Bless America!!!
If you believe this then you have to believe that he his also one who is being exposed and in need of removal. He is obviously scared and nervous. he's admitted multiple crimes on tape and advocates for violence against fellow citizens. What more evidence do you need? And here we are on veterans day and he just last week was fined 2mil for stealing from his veteran's charity. Smh
 
Here's my take...The every day Wal-Mart, gun toting, Deplorables are sick of the "politics as usual" mentality in DC....You know, every politician on the take...We finally have a President who is trying to "take out the garbage" up there, and he is constantly getting attacked...A lot of people up there are scared and nervous...Oh no, they might be exposed....Well, I hope every one of them are exposed and brought to justice...Our great country deserves better than this...Leave the President alone, and let him do his job...I'm surprised he has gotten as much accomplished as he has....The House is against him on everything...This will all come out in the wash, and I can't wait!! God Bless America!!!


You seem to be mistaken that he's taking out the garbage when he's filled the place with some of the swampiest folks there are trying to make a fast buck. This "plain talking" that these folks seem to like has no business coming from someone that's supposed to be the leader of this country. He's demeaned the position with his constant rage tweets and the daily parade of lies. Yet you demand he be left alone and do his job? It would be nice if he'd actually do one. Most of his day is spent watching TV shows that fawn over him, golfing and tweeting. He seems to have the attention span of a toddler. Why folks like you seem to think this is somehow good for the country is beyond me. You seem to be ok with him attempting to trample and circumvent the Constitution every step of the way. It's nothing more than wanting to "get back at the libs" for whatever ridiculous slight you think you might have recieved.
 
You seem to be mistaken that he's taking out the garbage when he's filled the place with some of the swampiest folks there are trying to make a fast buck. This "plain talking" that these folks seem to like has no business coming from someone that's supposed to be the leader of this country. He's demeaned the position with his constant rage tweets and the daily parade of lies. Yet you demand he be left alone and do his job? It would be nice if he'd actually do one. Most of his day is spent watching TV shows that fawn over him, golfing and tweeting. He seems to have the attention span of a toddler. Why folks like you seem to think this is somehow good for the country is beyond me. You seem to be ok with him attempting to trample and circumvent the Constitution every step of the way. It's nothing more than wanting to "get back at the libs" for whatever ridiculous slight you think you might have recieved.

Great...I respect your opinion...We'll agree to disagree!!!
 
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Hate Hillary personally, but always remember how many millions she won the popular vote by.. That said, she really needs to go away.
 
Hate Hillary personally, but always remember how many millions she won the popular vote by.. That said, she really needs to go away.

The 2016 election highlighted the importance of the EC better than any election ever. Hillary lost middle America. She was only strong in heavily populated small land area types of places. The NE corridor, LA and the major cities played huge roles in her popular vote win.

It is also highlighted the need for much less federal government. We have a vast country with much different ideals. NY shouldnt be telling Kansas what kind of guns to own and kansas shouldnt be telling NY they cant legalize weed.

The best way to save this republic is to get back to states rights and state powers ASAP.
 
The 2016 election highlighted the importance of the EC better than any election ever. Hillary lost middle America. She was only strong in heavily populated small land area types of places. The NE corridor, LA and the major cities played huge roles in her popular vote win.

It is also highlighted the need for much less federal government. We have a vast country with much different ideals. NY shouldnt be telling Kansas what kind of guns to own and kansas shouldnt be telling NY they cant legalize weed.

The best way to save this republic is to get back to states rights and state powers ASAP.
So you think the vote of Americans in "middle America" should carry more weight than votes of Americans in urban areas or the Americans in the NE? So much for the "all men are created equal" stuff in the DOI
 
So you think the vote of Americans in "middle America" should carry more weight than votes of Americans in urban areas or the Americans in the NE? So much for the "all men are created equal" stuff in the DOI


I'll let Shaggy respond, but I don't think he said that at all....He didn't say anything about a certain area carrying more weight than another...Re-read his post...His post makes sense.
 
So you think the vote of Americans in "middle America" should carry more weight than votes of Americans in urban areas or the Americans in the NE? So much for the "all men are created equal" stuff in the DOI

No, but their votes should count and if you go to popular vote then only the urban areas would decide elections.

My point is what's good for urban areas isnt good for rural areas so give the states back their power and allow them to govern themselves. I'm basically saying we should be telling federal govt to piss off on about 85% of the crap they do.
 
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