A POTUS is not supposed to get under the skin of half the country. What kind of BS is that? That weakens the country. Is that what you want? Would you be happier if the US were to somehow break up into two? Do you hate US liberals as much as, if not more, than anyone else in the world? I'm saying this despite almost always disagreeing with them. Besides that, many of them are downright nasty, hypocrites, and won't compromise with the right. Just go to that nasty political forum at the other wx bb to see how nasty they constantly are. But the right and left need to work together if they want our country to become semi-united again. I hope moderates on each side can take control of things.
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A POTUS is not supposed to get under the skin of half the country. What kind of BS is that? That weakens the country. Is that what you want? Would you be happier if the US were to somehow break up into two? Do you hate US liberals as much as, if not more, than anyone else in the world? I'm saying this despite almost always disagreeing with them. Besides that, many of them are downright nasty, hypocrites, and won't compromise with the right. Just go to that nasty political forum at the other wx bb to see how nasty they constantly are. But the right and left need to work together if they want our country to become semi-united again. I hope moderates on each side can take control of things.
Avalanche
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People on the left defended Pelosi when she said "we have to pass the legislation before we can find out what's in it". LOL
Avalanche
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That's exactly what candidates on the left do, and they have the support of the MSM.
Avalanche
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No one wants Kasich, Romney, McCain types. They aren't strong enough to get anything done and they don't even defend themselves against the crazy left when they go after them. They simply don't get votes or even energize people. They don't know where they stand, and its hard to unify voters this way.
Avalanche
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Also, you aren't going to beat 3 percent unemployment and a continual growth in GDP and payroll. Simply put, people want results. Trump has delivered that. Maybe the socialists can win if they play Santa Clause again and promise voters enticements aka the Green New Deal. That's what the left wants. Its going to be a Trump/Warren presidential run as I see it now.
Avalanche
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You mean Lindsey Grahamnesty. Fixed for you.
Avalanche
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After birth abortions, Green New Deal, said we should fly airplanes without fuel (Cortes), death tax, have to pass legislation to find out what's in it, 90 percent tax rate on corps. Yeah, lets vote for that instead of 3 percent unemployment and consecutive quarters of GDP growth.
Downeastnc
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I feel we are very much alike sir......I would settle for Haley/anyone though, she is a total bad ass.....
Downeastnc
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Well the fact that they support all those things and Trump has ( maybe moving towards had) such a good economy but is still getting killed in the polls should tell you all you need to know......
Trump is IMO mentally unstable, he suffers from extreme and I mean EXTREME narcissistic personality disorder, and possibly even some dementia, again at some point the GOP leadership have to decide if they wanna go down with the USS Trump.....or do they want to possibly approach him about taking a medical leave and letting Pence pick Haley and give the GOP at least a fighting chance to get a win in 2020....even if Trump somehow won do we really want 4 more years of his "great and unmatched wisdom".....
Downeastnc
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Trump admin appears to be walking back Syria withdrawl after massive pushback from the right.....
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...sion-following-backlash/ar-AAIqIMv?li=BBnb7Kz
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...sion-following-backlash/ar-AAIqIMv?li=BBnb7Kz
Trump 2020 ??
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This can’t be...he already said that his great and unmatched wisdom decided to pull out in the first place.
I wonder which option is most likely (frankly, I honestly don't know if it's possible to tell):
1. Trump tweet-stormed after the decision was made to pull out. Then, there was backlash. Then, they huddled up and scrapped the plan.
2. Trump had no idea what was decided. He tweet-stormed what he thought everyone had decided on. They huddled up and concluded he was a moron and clarified the plan.
3. Someone purposely fed him wrong information, knowing he would tweet-storm, hoping he would make a fool out of himself. He didn't disappoint, necessitating a clarification later, and they laughed as their plan worked to perfection.
I guess there's a 4th option: He lied on purpose.
I'd place the highest odds on option 1, but like I said, I don't know if it's possible to know.
Downeastnc
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There was a story out earlier I may or may not have linked here that was a source that was on the Turkey call and said the only turkey was the guy on the US end
and he totally got played.....then it all blew up in his face.....I think its #2 and Trump will be pissed off they did it and we get a reversal on the reversal in the middle of night rage tweets with a lot of CAPTIAL LETTERS AND MISPELED WORDS!!!!!!!Could this be a gazillion dimensional chess or something?
Heelyes
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Trump is the most repulsive person to ever be president. He is only interested in getting his little hands on as much money as possible. He has no desire to make America great again only to divide.
I don't doubt for one second that there are people who are just itching to throw him under the bus or sabotage him or spin what he says and does into the worst light possible. But he doesn't help himself spouting off the way he does. There's a difference in the idea of "taking it directly to the people" (which, by the way, I wholeheartedly support) and talking foolishly. For instance, saying something like, "l, in my infinite wisdom, will bomb them back to the stone age", is not displaying infinite wisdom. That's foolishness.
Trump has articulated some good ideas, but he has also stepped on his shlong at just about every turn. He's got plenty of heat being thrown at him. He doesn't have to go out of his way to generate more. But he does.
I do believe there is a coordinated effort to work against him, even from inside his own administration. There is a lot of power and money that he is a threat to, but that doesn't absolve him of the way he talks or acts. There are a lot of corrupt entities that move against him, but he could be above that and be just as effective, if he wanted to.
ForsythSnow
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I wouldn't say money is what drove him. It could've also been an ego thing. He could've seen himself as "the best pick" so he ran and convinced America to elect him. He's a businessman, remember. The presidency isn't going to grant him more money than what he already has. I wouldn't say most repulsive though, because we've had some pretty low things from presidents in history before. Historically speaking, he may not be the absolute worst, but he won't be on the upper half of must liked by the public, that's certain.
I think he likes to make splashes, even if it takes making ridiculous sounding tweetstorms to provoke the splashes.
Heelyes
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I have a question for the die hard followers of president bone spurs. Was he joking when he asked China to help him win in 2020? If so was he when he asked Russia to help in 2016? Can the most powerful child in the world make a joke about destroying our democracy? He is negotiating hundreds of billions of dollars in tariffs with China and he jokes about them helping. What if China takes him serious and makes a very believable but made up story about Biden to please him? Would his followers not mind how he wins as long as he wins? I can't imagine how Reagan or Eisenhower would look at this situation, the two biggest threats to our country are being courted by our president so he can keep power.
Heelyes
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What if he was going to withhold the money from Ukraine because Putin wanted to weaken them? Is there a line he can cross to lose your faith? It's not a coincidence that the only Republican senator to speak against him is Romney. Romney is safe until 2024, Trump can't touch him so he says what needs to be said
Heelyes
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I find it satisfying knowing the people on this forum who support him the most will get the least snow.
ForsythSnow
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This part is just uncalled for. Don't bring the joy and fun of tracking weather into politics. Please keep the two separate. That's starting to attack other members.
Heelyes
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You are right. I take that back I hope everyone gets a foot .
Cad Wedge NC
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Not so fast, I always get snow. Even in the lame years.
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Heelyes
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The stable genius with unmatched wisdom is looking pretty stupid right now. It's bad enough we left the Kurds hanging 20 years ago in Iraq, now we are leaving them in Syria. For what? So Russia can move in? Putin must have moved on Trump like a b***h. When your famous like him you just grab them by the p***y and start kissing. Trump is getting played by Putin but why? Because the Kurds didn't help invade Normandy?
Avalanche
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Thats the weather i want.
https://www.foxnews.com/world/turkey-syria-invasion-special-forces-soldier-kurds
We just bowed to friggin' Turkey.
Keep an eye on Hong Kong. China's timing on rattling their swords down there may not be a coincidence.
We just bowed to friggin' Turkey.
Keep an eye on Hong Kong. China's timing on rattling their swords down there may not be a coincidence.
Turkey: Hey Yanks! We're about to invade Syria so we can finally end this civil war for the good of everyone! But it turns out some of your troops are in the way. Can you remove them please?
US: Oh cool! We were getting tired of hunkering down here anyway since we're now isolationists. That's awfully nice of you Ottoman chaps to take over for us.
Turkey: Err--No Problem at all. Glad to be of service.
US: BTW, we're kinda sort of allies with the Kurds, who are your mortal enemies, and are in control of the area your invading. That's not gonna be a problem though is it?? Promise to be cool to them as a favor to us??
Turkey: Sure Yank! We'll be sure to take extra special care of them..
US: Thanks Turks! (Sings Istanbul, Not Constantinople to celebrate)
US: Oh cool! We were getting tired of hunkering down here anyway since we're now isolationists. That's awfully nice of you Ottoman chaps to take over for us.
Turkey: Err--No Problem at all. Glad to be of service.
US: BTW, we're kinda sort of allies with the Kurds, who are your mortal enemies, and are in control of the area your invading. That's not gonna be a problem though is it?? Promise to be cool to them as a favor to us??
Turkey: Sure Yank! We'll be sure to take extra special care of them..
US: Thanks Turks! (Sings Istanbul, Not Constantinople to celebrate)
SimeonNC
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While I support Kurdish independence personally, the U.S has no obligation to protect them or any non-NATO nation let alone a small stateless people group.
Its funny that the left who constantly asked the U.S to stop being the world police are now asking us to step into this situation where we have nothing to gain while also pissing off a NATO member.
We have our own people to look after, in my opinion we should cut our military by a fourth and stop all foreign aid, especially to countries like Israel.
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Its funny that the left who constantly asked the U.S to stop being the world police are now asking us to step into this situation where we have nothing to gain while also pissing off a NATO member.
We have our own people to look after, in my opinion we should cut our military by a fourth and stop all foreign aid, especially to countries like Israel.
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Avalanche
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I agree with you mostly, but I want to continue to support Israel, given that they're our primary, if only, allies in that region. You are right there are many factions that are constantly at war and no matter what aid/relief/support you give, it will constantly continue. I will stand with those that seek and desire freedom, hate to see what's going on in China.
Downeastnc
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well the biggest push back is not coming from the left is it......Erogodan is turning Turkey into a non secular enemy of the US....Turkey is no longer the shining beacon of what a modern secular muslim ran world can look like....basically we are seeing what happened in Iran in the 70's happening in Turkey today.
Lindsey Graham sure was not mincing words
“Pray for our Kurdish allies who have been shamelessly abandoned by the Trump Administration,”
How about Nikki Haley who is a hell of a lot smarter and up on world affairs than Trump
We must always have the backs of our allies, if we expect them to have our back. The Kurds were instrumental in our successful fight against ISIS in Syria. Leaving them to die is a big mistake. #TurkeyIsNotOurFriend
The reports say Trump went off script and tried to wing it and got owned on a call over the weekend with Erogodan and instead of back tracking or trying to fix it he screwed the pooch.....at some point the GOP has to accept the reality that slowly dawns on more people every day that Trump is simply not capable of doing the job, he is acon man, a crook, a liar and the cons outweight the pro's of leaving him in charge, its time the Republican party steps up and admits that and starts to remedy the situation...
SimeonNC
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I am well aware of the radicalization of Turkey's government under Erdogan, and the Kurdish contribution to the struggle against ISIS. That being said we have been involved in the Middle East for way too long. Intervening any more than maybe air dropping supplies to Kurdish forces will only do more harm than good and will put American lives at risk for a cause that has no immediate benefit to us. We must shift away from our needless interventionism.
The problem is, you are going to have a MAJOR revolt if you go in and try to remove him for being a bull in a china shop or being a dummy or saying brash and brazen things, pretending that is equivalent to criminal activity. His admin has essentially been one non-stop attempt to remove him or discredit him because of criminal behavior where no smoking-gun evidence has been provided. The Mueller investigation is a great example of this. What a disaster that was for team anti-Trump. The Kavanaugh investigation, though not directly related to Trump, is another example. Another disaster. You can't keep crying wolf and crying wolf and crying wolf and have one major investigation or set of allegations after another turn out to be failures, or you lose credibility with the next set of allegations or investigations.
You either need to PROVE without a shadow of a doubt that Trump did something seriously wrong, or don't proceed with impeachment and attempted removal. If they impeach him and try to remove him over another kabuki theater investigation or set of allegations, I'm telling you, there is going to be a major revolt and some big time unrest. Because, unless there's some hard evidence that's not circumstantial or open for interpretation, it's just going to seem like it's another cry wolf scenario.
If there's evidence that meets the above criteria, then impeach away.
Downeastnc
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They are not crying wolf though....Trump's team did collude with the Russians, Trump did OOJ in the Mueller probe but with Barr as the AG nothing will ever come from it as long as Trump is president....Trump is illegally using his position as president for personal gain, and I disagree there will be unrest or revolt if he is impeached, sure a few nutjobs might gather in Idaho or somewhere claiming they are going to take back America etc but it wont amount to much.......frankly most people are tired of Trump's ---- ( not the word I used lol), the only people that really think otherwise are the 30% or so of hard core Trump supporters....
Hell today the2 Ukrainians picked up fleeing the country to avoid testifying before Congress about their huge illegal money funneling operation into Trump's campaign is breaking, its one thing after another now all because Trump does not think the law applies to him. This is gonna be huge, not only did these guys funnel money from rich Ukrainians directly and illegally into Trump's campaign they also worked with Rudy to setup meetings etc for Rudy to play the Biden angle.....hell Rudy had lunch with these 2 guys yesterday hours before they attempted to flee the country.....how stupid is that....
I think you are wildly overestimating the average person's understanding of the nuances of all of this as well as wildly underestimating the response that will occur unless some irrefutable evidence comes out....and not evidence that is hearsay, emerging from anonymous sources or closed-door partisan procedures. And 30% of the population is not a small number of people, by the way.
Regarding the current scandal, you're going to need some transparent legal procedure to unfold that doesn't appear to be influenced by partisanship that finds Trump and his people guilty of the things your're talking about that are currently swirling around. That's going to have to happen. If it doesn't, then it looks like another hit-job.
And the Mueller thing was a disaster. I mean Mueller, the head honcho, heralded as some great investigator, couldn't even recount his own report correctly or coherently. It was a disaster. We can feel like Trump committed treason with the Russians, but the great Robert Mueller certainly didn't establish that.
Edit: And I'm not arguing Trump's guilt or innocence. If the law, via a legal procedure, finds him guilty of something that deserves impeachment, then hit the road jack. That's fine with me. I'm more or less commenting on what you need to have in order to get there and avoid massive blow-back.
Downeastnc
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I disagree, we give our word we should keep it, even when it does not necessarily benefit us, our footprint troop wise is minimal in Syria and the return on investment was very high.....now its all gone and we gain nothing but allowing our enemies more control over the region.
I bet they get enough votes to impeach, then I bet there will be cheering and celebrating in the streets for oh say a good 12-24 hours before they realize impeachment doesn't mean removal. The senate will not convict and the saga will continue, either until he loses re-election or if he wins, well the sky will keep falling until 2024.
Downeastnc
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Your probably right IRT the average person understandings of things....I totally understand why the Dems are attacking this the way they are, the GOP is only interested in trying to deflect or destroy this investigation they have no interest in actually getting answers....sadly many could care less if Trump was actually guilty of these things......the Dems have to try and build a case that even the GOP senators will have trouble voting against and do that in the face of the Trump admin and GOP house members trying to stop it......its depressing that politics and party come before country but it is where we are now.
I'm afraid it's only going to get worse from here...especially if the economy starts to take a dive.
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