You would have to be willfully blind/ignorant to not see the coordinated and relentless attack by the “system” against the sitting president of the United States. That’s enough to convince me that I’m perched on the right side of history ??
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Having read though this whole thread and watching what's unfolding in real time, I am genuinely curious what you think the "system" is @Jimmy Hypocracy.
From my perspective I see a sitting president asking other countries to interfere in our democratic elections and I can't see how anyone could consider that patriotic.
Also, thank god this heat is finally breaking.
From my perspective I see a sitting president asking other countries to interfere in our democratic elections and I can't see how anyone could consider that patriotic.
Also, thank god this heat is finally breaking.
VegasEagle
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Read my post more carefully. Can't see the forest due to the trees.
Quote from John Adams. "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
Totally agree. Our Constitution was not prepared for a president with no consideration outside himself.
Edited to add: If you think our president is moral or religious I have some steaks, a fake education and several infidelities to sell you.
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Jefferson lost his faith after his wife’s death and time in France. I agree that Jefferson was not a Christian. Franklin’s faith was more complex, and I agree he was probably not a Christian as we have a letter from Adams to Franklin urging him to put his faith in Christ on his deathbed which if I remember right he responded something like he would find out soon if Christ was God.
That being said even if they were not Christians in the sense I believe, it is absolutely silly to call them Deists. Does anyone really believe if you put any of these men in today’s day that they would be called deists? No way, as I said before the went to Christian church regularly, they talked about the hand of God all the time and the regularly quoted the Bible as the spiritual and moral authority. They would be labeled Christians, then bigots, and then every other insult. To lump them in as deists is nothing more than a stretch to water down who they were.
So I’ll concede with you, we are not a Christian nation, we were just a nation of Christians founded on the Christian book for guidance, ideals and morality.
Bernie needs to drop out, his health is not the best and that’s just a whole lot of added stress, I hope bad on nobody so I hope he gets better
Downeastnc
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Well this depends on how you look at it, the churches controlled the monarchs for much of the history of Europe well into the 17-18th centuries.....the very earliest immigrants to the US ( Pilgrims for instance ) did in fact come here to escape the church.
Really, despite the prevalence of Christianity, they had the foresight to realize that a nation and it's laws shouldn't be tied to a religion.
Would be hard to find a major law that's not somehow affiliated with a religion. The whole separation of church and state thing is wildly misrepresented, and it's almost always used to combat Christianity. The founding fathers were not trying to eliminate morality, moral laws, and the like (which were most certainly affiliated with or tied directly into religious beliefs). They wanted to ensure that people had the right to worship freely and that the government did not impose a state religion, simply speaking.
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Downeastnc
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So Jefferson, Franklin, Madison, Paine etc would all be accepted as Christians even though they deny Christ was the son of god? They did not believe in the Trinity, biblical miracles, original sin, the resurrection etc etc.....pretty sure that does not qualify you as a Christian in today's America. I know they would not be considered Christians by any of the ones I know.....would you consider someone who does not believe Jesus was the son of God and that when he died he was not resurrected a Christian?
In fact many of the major players in the early days of out nation were in fact Deist, or at least Unitarians, the Deism movement in their time was very popular among the educated elite, there were devout Christians there too there is no doubt, Patrick Henry for example was a evangelical.....still most were Deist that's why you see them using phrases like divine providence, creator, laws of nature etc...they are considered by most scholars to be Deist/Unitarians and it's well documented.
Downeastnc
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Oh oh
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...whistle-on-trumps-ukraine-dealings/ar-AAIiWJo
A second intelligence official who was alarmed by President Trump’s dealings with Ukraine is weighing whether to file his own formal whistle-blower complaint and testify to Congress, according to two people briefed on the matter.
The official has more direct information about the events than the first whistle-blower, whose complaint that Mr. Trump was using his power to get Ukraine to investigate his political rivals touched off an impeachment inquiry. The second official is among those interviewed by the intelligence community inspector general to corroborate the allegations of the original whistle-blower, one of the people said.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...whistle-on-trumps-ukraine-dealings/ar-AAIiWJo
A second intelligence official who was alarmed by President Trump’s dealings with Ukraine is weighing whether to file his own formal whistle-blower complaint and testify to Congress, according to two people briefed on the matter.
The official has more direct information about the events than the first whistle-blower, whose complaint that Mr. Trump was using his power to get Ukraine to investigate his political rivals touched off an impeachment inquiry. The second official is among those interviewed by the intelligence community inspector general to corroborate the allegations of the original whistle-blower, one of the people said.
They would probably be considered evangelicals.
Of course they weren't trying to eliminate morality. Who claimed that? Morality exists outside of religion, as well as within it.
What I'm saying is that you can't divorce morality from religion, which, by extension means that laws are naturally going to be influenced by the religious make-up of a country. And that's ok. As the make-up changes, laws will be influenced accordingly. We're seeing a lot of political tension today because of this relationship.
pcbjr
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I know many moral, conservative folks who don't have any religion. Feel sorry for them on the latter, but also realize there isn't a 1 to 1 correlation (some of the biggest A-'s I deal with are zealots) ...
Agreed. I do too.
I do, too. There’s no reason why religion should be required for someone to know what is right and what is wrong and to behave accordingly. I’d think common sense would be able to tell us.
I don't think this is true. You can be a good person without fearing a god or acting in anticipation of some reward in the afterlife. It's called "humanism."
pcbjr
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common sense comes from a source ... parents, religion, street experience ... and some combination or other of those and many other things ... but at least a good prayer is worth a shot ... IMHO, a very big shot ... IMHO ...
Religion needs no god to exist.
The very definition of religion is the belief in a god or some higher power. If something else is driving whatever it is you believe in, call it what it is.
Religion is the system to come to God that man formulates. So regardless of its actual ability to help individuals come to an understanding of God, man will still come up with something that validates what he does and gives him meaning. Plenty of religious people simply throw God on top like a stamp of approval. But one can have faith in God without being affiliated with a specific hierarchal religious organization, if that makes sense.
Edit: My, how we've morphed into the religious thread in here!
Edit: My, how we've morphed into the religious thread in here!
Downeastnc
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There has been a second whistleblower who has come forward and given a statement, this person is said to have direct first hand knowledge of the Ukrainian call and situation and plans to go before the inquiry.
At this point I suspect there is little chance that the House does not approve impeachment proceedings. The real question is will there be enough pressure from public support etc to push enough GOP senators into the yes side of impeachment. At some point the GOP has to ask themselves do we really want 4 more years of this mess which is what we get if they run Trump, and he somehow pulls off a win.
At this point I suspect there is little chance that the House does not approve impeachment proceedings. The real question is will there be enough pressure from public support etc to push enough GOP senators into the yes side of impeachment. At some point the GOP has to ask themselves do we really want 4 more years of this mess which is what we get if they run Trump, and he somehow pulls off a win.
Fake News will run the whistleblower thing 24/7 this week. Yawn. Once the dust settles on this whole Ukrainian thing they'll find something else. Yawn. In the end President Trump wins Bigly in November!! of course this is just IMHO.
Rosie
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Fox?
Cad Wedge NC
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I agree. There's nothing to see here .... move along to the next hoax. Wait, this is strike 3 for the democrats. Isn't there a rule that states you only get three strikes?
pcbjr
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No, not until they also get 4 balls, and an infield pop ...
Somebody's paying the ump ...
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Avalanche
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George SorosNo, not until they also get 4 balls, and an infield pop ...
Somebody's paying the ump ...
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Today our president said of himself, “In my great and unmatched wisdom.” What kind of person speaks of himself this way?
Nebuchadnezzar? Caesar? I mean this is pretty close to a claim of deity, seriously.
Nebuchadnezzar? Caesar? I mean this is pretty close to a claim of deity, seriously.
He used to be so humble. What a shame.
When was he humble? I don’t think he was humble even in his mother’s womb!
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Lol. That’s why we like him. He rides the nerves of the other side. So satisfying
I had to read that twice to make sure it wasn't @realdenaldtrump
Downeastnc
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Dude is off his rocker, already Turkish forces are stepping up attacks on the Kurds....you know Trump done went to far when Pat Roberson rips him a new one on TV........
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...trump-decision-to-draw-back-troops-from-Syria
“The president who allowed Khashoggi to be cut in pieces without any repercussions whatsoever is now allowing the Christians and the Kurds to be massacred by the Turks,” Robertson said. “And I believe — and I want to say this with great solemnity — the president of the United States is in danger of losing the mandate of heaven if he permits this to happen.”
Lindsey Graham wasn't very happy about it either.
Rosie
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Thinks he is an emperor.
Downeastnc
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No one is. Trump screwed up again...or as usual....not sure which applies more here.....at some point the GOP needs to step up and say, " hey look we backed the wrong horse here, we need to do something to correct this before it's too late"....and its damn near too late.
I don't vote for a President to be my moral or religious leader. I vote for a President based on how I think they will run the country. The fact that Trump gets under the skin of the other side is just a bonus !
A John Kasich and N Haley ticket is looking awfully appealing right now!
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