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Rain Cold said:
The death rate is around 2.3%, compared to about 0.1% for the common flu. It also has a pretty high serious complication rate of around 15 to perhaps as high as 20%. We know China is under reporting the numbers, probably significantly so. The combination of a very high number of cases and the fact that at least 15% of those require significant medical intervention, vastly strains resources and prevents many of those from getting the care they need to survive.

We'll really start to gain a lot more clarity around these things when cases really ramp up in places like Japan and Singapore. My guess is that as infectious as this thing is, many, many people are going to be carrying it around simultaneously. This is going to put a strain on any healthcare system, resulting in diminishing care and higher CFRs.

Let's just hope it doesn't mutate and become more virulent and/or more infectious.
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I said last week the cruise ship will be a good test case with a diverse ethnicity. There are 620+ cases, 300+ with no symptoms, 27 serious and two deaths. That is a serious case ratio of around 5% with a death rate of 0.3%. With the cruise ship being filled with older people those are actually really good numbers so far.
 
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Arcc said:
I said last week the cruise ship will be a good test case with a diverse ethnicity. There are 620+ cases, 300+ with no symptoms, 27 serious and two deaths. That is a serious case ratio of around 5% with a death rate of 0.3%. With the cruise ship being filled with older people those are actually really good numbers so far.
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So why are so many dying in China?
 
Arcc said:
I said last week the cruise ship will be a good test case with a diverse ethnicity. There are 620+ cases, 300+ with no symptoms, 27 serious and two deaths. That is a serious case ratio of around 5% with a death rate of 0.3%. With the cruise ship being filled with older people those are actually really good numbers so far.
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The death rate outside of China is lower. It probably is at least somewhat related to the fact that the healthcare systems where these folks are going to are not overwhelmed. Also, at least the way it currently appears, the serious condition phase doesn't usually set in for 10-14 days. At that time, you either go downhill or start getting better. Quite a few of these people were recently diagnosed.
 
Flurry said:
Another "factual" article from the NY Times...Already talking about Russia meddling in the upcoming 2020 election to re-elect Trump....Give it a break, NY Times...You are not a credible source of news...PERIOD!!


And, the rebuttal...Think I believe this guy over the NY Times

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Hoax #7 in the making if they can get if off the ground....
 
weatherfide said:
So why are so many dying in China?
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The only real high rate of death is in Hubei provence, I think the rest of China has a 0.15 to 0.3 death rate which is likely still lower if you say they are only picking up half of the cases.

As I said above a DR from the US is there and he is saying they are getting both the coronavirus and the flu at the same time from failure to isolate.
 
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Rain Cold said:
The death rate outside of China is lower. It probably is at least somewhat related to the fact that the healthcare systems where these folks are going to are not overwhelmed. Also, at least the way it currently appears, the serious condition phase doesn't usually set in for 10-14 days. At that time, you either go downhill or start getting better. Quite a few of these people were recently diagnosed.
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That will be the key thing to watch, but so far it looks promising as does the numbers from Singapore which are releasing more people each day than confirmed case with a death rate of 0%. Critical numbers are down there from 12 to 4.
 
it looks like unless something drastic happens Bernie is definitely gonna be the frontrunner going to the convention

The question is do they try and take it from him because a lot of Democrats don't think he can win and are worried about down ticket races(though doing that would for sure start a riot because Bernie's supporters are loud)
 
Brent said:
it looks like unless something drastic happens Bernie is definitely gonna be the frontrunner going to the convention

The question is do they try and take it from him because a lot of Democrats don't think he can win and are worried about down ticket races(though doing that would for sure start a riot because Bernie's supporters are loud)
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Gonna be interesting for sure. They will take him down and treat him like Trump. Wild ride. Enjoy the show.
 
I'm just gonna throw it out there, Bernie Sanders is going to pull an upset victory in SC. It may be only 3 or 4 points, but it will be a victory. Polling average has Sanders within 4 points of Biden and Biden's supposed "firewall" among people of my race has clearly taken a beating. He went from a 30+ lead to a 7 point lead among blacks in SC. If that's not the biggest red flag you might be in trouble, I don't know what is. Also Pete is so damn insufferable to me. When he started campaigning, his padvisers must of forgot to tell him he's not running for class president. ?
 
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Weatherlover92 said:
I'm just gonna throw it out there, Bernie Sanders is going to pull an upset victory in SC. It may be only 3 or 4 points, but it will be a victory. Polling average has Sanders within 4 points of Biden and Biden's supposed "firewall" among people of my race has clearly taken a beating. He went from a 30+ lead to a 7 point lead among blacks in SC. If that's not the biggest red flag you might be in trouble, I don't know what is. Also Pete is so damn insufferable to me. When he started campaigning, his padvisers must of forgot to tell him he's not running for class president. ?
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lol I just think Buttigeg is too young... he'll probably be a lot better down the road, I mean he's half the age of Biden and Bernie!

oh and yeah if Biden doesn't win SC its over... I mean he left NH for SC before the polls even closed...

one of my liberal friends earlier told me he's voting for Biden here because Bernie is "too old" I nearly choked on my drink since they are 14 months apart :p I get that maybe you believe Biden is more electable (if you look at the polls that said Hillary would win) but age really????
 
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Soooo...Gavin Newsom thinks that homes should be written like prescriptions?? I don't even know what to say to that. These are the kinds of things that makes me think that CA will be red one day. Let's don't even say red...let's just say normal, rational and actually for the people for real. It's unbelievable. But...it's also unbelievable that America is even to the point of considering a socialist/communist for Prez. Interesting times. If I were Bernie, I would watch my back. Seriously. The WB on the Obama Admin found dead..We need to get past these scary times.
 
Brent said:
lol I just think Buttigeg is too young... he'll probably be a lot better down the road, I mean he's half the age of Biden and Bernie!

oh and yeah if Biden doesn't win SC its over... I mean he left NH for SC before the polls even closed...

one of my liberal friends earlier told me he's voting for Biden here because Bernie is "too old" I nearly choked on my drink since they are 14 months apart :p I get that maybe you believe Biden is more electable (if you look at the polls that said Hillary would win) but age really????
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Some in better shape than trump.
 
Coronovirus saw Big case spikes over the weekend in South Korea,Italy ,Iran. No doubt we wont escape this highly contagious bug here in the USA. Really taking its toll on supply chains now as the whole world is in bed with Asia thanks in large part to the cheap labor.
We probably should have a dedicated thread for solely the Coronovirus. Getting ready to be a highly discussed topic.
 
NCSNOW said:
Coronovirus saw Big case spikes over the weekend in South Korea,Italy ,Iran. No doubt we wont escape this highly contagious bug here in the USA. Really taking its toll on supply chains now as the whole world is in bed with Asia thanks in large part to the cheap labor.
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This isn't about the death toll its about containment protocols and how they will effect the US.
 
Italy 5 dead and 200 infected. We will better be able to assess the mortality rate off data from Italy and South Korea. 5 out of 200 is 2.5.
Dow Jones down 800 today already
 
Shaggy said:
This isn't about the death toll its about containment protocols and how they will effect the US.
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Oh I agree. Im not sold this has as high a mortality rate as the spanish flu pandemic. Not sold it want rival or match it yet eitheir. None the less, this is clearly to me a Global pandemic in its genesis stage right now. Weve lost the window to contain ,or isolate. Its gonna have a lot of effect on commerce etc here stateside directly as containment protocols will likely unfold. Hope Im wrong and we can buy more time, maybe it takes a summer break like the flu. That would increase chances of vaccine. Its clear across the print media today the drumbeat is a lot louder as W H O is pretty much implying they think this is the direction we are headed now and past the point of return.
 
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NCSNOW said:
Oh I agree. Im not sold this has as high a mortality rate as the spanish flu pandemic. Not sold it want rival or match it yet eitheir. None the less, this is clearly to me a Global pandemic in its genesis stage right now. Weve lost the window to contain ,or isolate. Its gonna have a lot of effect on commerce etc here stateside directly as containment protocols will likely unfold. Hope Im wrong and we can buy more time, maybe it takes a summer break like the flu. That would increase chances of vaccine. Its clear across the print media today the drumbeat is a lot louder as W H O is pretty much implying they think this is the direction we are headed now and past the point of return.
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Other countries have done major lockdowns of towns and regions with only a couple hundred cases. The US will have to decide if they want buck that trend and not do as other nations have done or do we go with lockdowns and slow our economy.

The reports out of Qom are true then that's almost a 20% fatality rate for them?
 
From the Lefts leading Newspaper. NYT.


On Tuesday, Feb. 18, no coronavirus cases had been reported in Iran. On Sunday, the government announced 43 cases and eight deaths. Some 152 cases (and at least three deaths) were confirmed in Italy on Sunday, up from three cases on Thursday. The number of infected people in South Korea jumped to 763 (and six deaths) in just days.

As of Monday, Covid-19 was detected in at least 29 countries. In nations with few or no reported cases so far, particularly in South America and Africa, the absence of evidence shouldn’t be interpreted as evidence of absence. More likely, it reflects lack of testing.

Is the Covid-19 outbreak now a pandemic, whether or not the World Health Organization calls it that yet?

If so, what’s next?
 
Shaggy said:
Other countries have done major lockdowns of towns and regions with only a couple hundred cases. The US will have to decide if they want buck that trend and not do as other nations have done or do we go with lockdowns and slow our economy.

The reports out of Qom are true then that's almost a 20% fatality rate for them?
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Yea its hard to measure. QOM is through the roof. Then South Korea is way lower.

You have to take in account SK has a better Health system, able to handle,manage the number who are sick. Think big problem in china is their system just got steamrolled by the supply side not being able to handle the demand. Lord only knows in North Korea how bad this will end up being. Same for a lot of African nations if , when this gets around on that continent.
 
110,000 in India to see our President. They were playing Macho Man in the stadium..that is funny.
 
I usually stay out of here but for a change, I'll offer something up...

As slim as it is anyway, if the track that leads to Bernie winning the nomination continues and he does win it, he has about 0 chance of actually winning the election unless a recession occurs, and nobody is projecting one (and no, fears over the coronavirus isn't an actual recession). He would be an awful nominee.

And so far, to give me away, I don't vote Republican but in this case if we do go on this track, I'd have to give some major thought to going independent, several others probably would too, and this is exactly why a Bernie nomination would lead to Trump winning reelection in a landslide.
 
GeorgiaGirl said:
I usually stay out of here but for a change, I'll offer something up...

As slim as it is anyway, if the track that leads to Bernie winning the nomination continues and he does win it, he has about 0 chance of actually winning the election unless a recession occurs, and nobody is projecting one (and no, fears over the coronavirus isn't an actual recession). He would be an awful nominee.

And so far, to give me away, I don't vote Republican but in this case if we do go on this track, I'd have to give some major thought to going independent, several others probably would too, and this is exactly why a Bernie nomination would lead to Trump winning reelection in a landslide.
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The fact that Bernie Sanders is doing this well tells me everything I need to know. The Democrat party is in shambles. Its so bad a SOCIALIST is garnering the most attention. If I were the other candidates I would be embarrassed that I couldnt beat him out. Sure he has a fringe of downtrodden lunatic followers who cant seem to move forward in life but even the average American is not going to accept socialism no matter what flavor he calls it. Trumps base will show up in droves and he will gain more support from the black vote. Whats going to happen is disinterested Democrats who KNOW the economy is helping them will hold their nose and vote for Trump or stay home. If Bernie wins the nomination it will be a slaughter across the board for the GOP. The Democrat party knows this
 
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Did they have to pay?
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Trump rallies are free here so I doubt he would go to India for peace and other talks and charge the people. The purpose is peace, central banking etc so I can't see him charging the people. If he did and that dang many came then that's even more crazy. They were definitely having a good time dancing and all. Pretty funny actually.
 
Shaggy said:
None of these trumpers realize he still doesnt care about them.
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The only thing Trumpers care about are results. And he is delivering big time by renegotiating harmful trade deals, creating jobs by lowering businees taxes,appointing judges who dont legislate from the bench, lowering taxes on working class, securing borders, making sure our molitary is strong, speaking out against late term and post birth abortion etc, list goes on an on. He governs/does what he promised to do. None of this election ear tickeling that the establishment cycled at us every 4 years. All I care about are people doing what they say they are gonna do. So refreshing after the Bushes,Romney,Mccain, Ryan, kasichs hijacking the Republican party and kicking conservatism to the curb, so they could be moderate and adorned by the main stream media. It amazes me how anti Trumpers still dont get it after 3 years. So glad we have someone who stands up against the socialist,progressive,globalist Democratic party .
 
NCSNOW said:
The only thing Trumpers care about are results. And he is delivering big time by renegotiating harmful trade deals, creating jobs by lowering businees taxes,appointing judges who dont legislate from the bench, lowering taxes on working class, securing borders, making sure our molitary is strong, speaking out against late term and post birth abortion etc, list goes on an on. He governs/does what he promised to do. None of this election ear tickeling that the establishment cycled at us every 4 years. All I care about are people doing what they say they are gonna do. So refreshing after the Bushes,Romney,Mccain, Ryan, kasichs hijacking the Republican party and kicking conservatism to the curb, so they could be moderate and adorned by the main stream media. It amazes me how anti Trumpers still dont get it after 3 years. So glad we have someone who stands up against the socialist,progressive,globalist Democratic party .
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?PREACH???
 
Bernie is such a joke I hope hes the nominee(I mean I'm no longer sure he can be stopped, the opposition is too fractured) but praising Castro really??? I mean even Democrats are upset about that one. For a party that talks about diversity the frontrunners are almost 80 year old white dudes... its really sad lol

Get ready for more meltdowns. What a time to be alive lol

Actually I've been lurking around a Democratic board and they have already been melting down
 
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Brent said:
Bernie is such a joke I hope hes the nominee(I mean I'm no longer sure he can be stopped, the opposition is too fractured) but praising Castro really??? I mean even Democrats are upset about that one. For a party that talks about diversity the frontrunners are almost 80 year old white dudes... its really sad lol

Get ready for more meltdowns. What a time to be alive lol

Actually I've been lurking around a Democratic board and they have already been melting down
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They will eat their own. They already are. ??
 
I think this guy is from CNN. Can't remember his name but said Trump was the fattest President ever. Fattest? Really? For one thing, I thought it was not nice to fat shame people (liberals pushed that). 2- Can we even say fat anymore? 3- Fattest or most fat? 4-He's not even fat.

I guess anything is on the table now. Panic and desperation. Digging themselves into a hole so deep, they will never recover. When Trump is gone, what will they have left? Notta I predict. What will they talk about? If it weren't for the huge contracts they have in airports etc, they would already be done. What a shame. Anyone knowingly pushing the lies and false narratives are going to pay the price. As they should. Very dangerous. RIP MSM.
 
Brent said:
Bernie is such a joke I hope hes the nominee(I mean I'm no longer sure he can be stopped, the opposition is too fractured) but praising Castro really??? I mean even Democrats are upset about that one. For a party that talks about diversity the frontrunners are almost 80 year old white dudes... its really sad lol

Get ready for more meltdowns. What a time to be alive lol

Actually I've been lurking around a Democratic board and they have already been melting down
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What's truly unbelievable is here we are in the USA on the verge of nominating a Socialist.... a Socialist as one of the main parties presidential nominee.
 
metwannabe said:
What's truly unbelievable is here we are in the USA on the verge of nominating a Socialist.... a Socialist as one of the main parties presidential nominee.
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This is what happens when there is little presence in the middle. Both sides go far from center and these pathetic candidates are what we get to pick from. What's better a turd sandwich or a giant douche?
 
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