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Sandbar said:
Sure they could have picked other people. They could have picked somebody other than McCain and maybe we dont suffer through 8 years of Obama. Maybe they pick somebody other than Romney and its only 4 years of Obama. They could have picked Cruz 3 years among others. The majority of those adversaries from the 2016 primaries have gotten behind Trump's policy as a whole. Hell even Glenn Beck admits his positive impact on policy. Thats because his policy is working, he is a fighter and and his is throwing a wrench in the status quo. You wont admit it, you cant admit it but you are gonna have to deal with it until 2024.....
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Are his policies working? Billions of dollars to bailout farmers for the problem he created. Tobacco farmers in NC have lost over 500 million and can't be reimbursed because tobacco isnt reimbursed. NK gave up nukes yet? Iran? Healthcare?

Please show me which policies of his has had the results?
 
Shaggy said:
Are his policies working? Billions of dollars to bailout farmers for the problem he created. Tobacco farmers in NC have lost over 500 million and can't be reimbursed because tobacco isnt reimbursed. NK gave up nukes yet? Iran? Healthcare?

Please show me which policies of his has had the results?
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Unemployment? Poverty level? Folks with some pride in taking care of themselves? Vets finally getting the care they need and desrve? Prison/sentencing reform? Canada/Mexico trade deal? No oil dependency? Crime rate way down? Oh, what the hell ... he's just an ass and that's enough to ignore the luxury we live in? Oh, what the hell ...
 
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Shaggy said:
Are his policies working? Billions of dollars to bailout farmers for the problem he created. Tobacco farmers in NC have lost over 500 million and can't be reimbursed because tobacco isnt reimbursed. NK gave up nukes yet? Iran? Healthcare?

Please show me which policies of his has had the results?
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This pretty much tells the story when you cant find anything better than what you listed above but PCB pretty much nailed your answer
 
pcbjr said:
Unemployment? Poverty level? Folks with some pride in taking care of themselves? Vets finally getting the care they need and desrve? Prison/sentencing reform? Canada/Mexico trade deal? No oil dependency? Crime rate way down? Oh, what the hell ... he's just an ass and that's enough to ignore the luxury we live in? Oh, what the hell ...
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His claims of Vet care is a lie.

https://apnews.com/375515aecedb4aed949e4f2eb9c54eb6
 
pcbjr said:
Get a good night's sleep ... :oops:
At least you are fortunate enough to ... along with lots of folks that couldn't a mere 6 years ago ... but what the hell ...
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Cant get a good nights sleep I'm on a 12 hour night shift.

Was there something wrong with my link?
 
It is interesting to me that you would say that it "sounds like you like to kill". Could you explain the reasoning that lead you to this conclusion? It doesn't "sound" like this to me and would like to know how you arrived at such a divergent interpretation from his posts.
 
Well Trump told O'Reilly that Rudy was in Ukraine for someone else and not at the presidents request. We know this is a flat out lie. Trump is simply doing what trump does. Try to distance himself from anyone that appears in trouble. The problem is we know he is lying blatantly and right to your faces. We know he sent rudy to Ukraine to push the investigations.

Trump is slowly dealing his own fate. Cant stab everyone in the back and not expectto get stabbed back. Rudy has already claimed he has insurance against this very thing happening. Guess we will see what Rudy does now that trump is throwing him under the bus.
 
Shaggy said:
His claims of Vet care is a lie.

https://apnews.com/375515aecedb4aed949e4f2eb9c54eb6
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So all one has to do is go to google, type in "VA care under Trump" and behold, the first NEGATIVE article regarding VA care under this administration is the one you linked......Imagine that! Take it from a Veteran, VA care funding has increased massively and we now have more choices, especially the vets who live in areas far reached from VA healthcare. Trust me when I say I could pick apart many things regarding VA care but Trump is actually doing a good job in this area. You should try reading more unbiased articles from time to time instead of what you want to find.....just a thought
 
Sandbar said:
So all one has to do is go to google, type in "VA care under Trump" and behold, the first NEGATIVE article regarding VA care under this administration is the one you linked......Imagine that! Take it from a Veteran, VA care funding has increased massively and we now have more choices, especially the vets who live in areas far reached from VA healthcare. Trust me when I say I could pick apart many things regarding VA care but Trump is actually doing a good job in this area. You should try reading more unbiased articles from time to time instead of what you want to find.....just a thought
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Was anything in the article inaccurate?
 
weatherfide said:
It is interesting to me that you would say that it "sounds like you like to kill". Could you explain the reasoning that lead you to this conclusion? It doesn't "sound" like this to me and would like to know how you arrived at such a divergent interpretation from his posts.
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Gotta be careful on this thread...There are some "touchy" ones on here...LOL
 
Shaggy said:
Well Trump told O'Reilly that Rudy was in Ukraine for someone else and not at the presidents request. We know this is a flat out lie. Trump is simply doing what trump does. Try to distance himself from anyone that appears in trouble. The problem is we know he is lying blatantly and right to your faces. We know he sent rudy to Ukraine to push the investigations.

Trump is slowly dealing his own fate. Cant stab everyone in the back and not expectto get stabbed back. Rudy has already claimed he has insurance against this very thing happening. Guess we will see what Rudy does now that trump is throwing him under the bus.
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This is just Trump gaslighting his base....if he says it enough eventually that all remember it that way.....Trump literally says on the call to Zelensky in July that he wants Zelensky to call Rudy so Rudy can help with the investigations into Crowdstrike, Bidens etc....
 
Shaggy said:
Was anything in the article inaccurate?
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From my personal experience the current administration has improved the process 10 fold and it is no longer just a temporary program. I'm not bashing the Obama administration. They moved the ball in the right direction Trump just expanded it, tightened it up, and the process is improved upon. At least it has been for me on more than one occasion. To say Trump lied about this is just ignorant.....
 
Sandbar said:
From my personal experience the current administration has improved the process 10 fold and it is no longer just a temporary program. I'm not bashing the Obama administration. They moved the ball in the right direction Trump just expanded it, tightened it up, and the process is improved upon. At least it has been for me on more than one occasion. To say Trump lied about this is just ignorant.....
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But he did lie. He says he passed the laws expanding VA coverage when the law was passed in 2014 I believe.
 
Shaggy said:
But he did lie. He says he passed the laws expanding VA coverage when the law was passed in 2014 I believe.[/QUOTE

He took what was already there, made it run a tad bit better, expanded it and made it permanent. You can argue the semantics of it until you are blue in the face. The important thing to myself and other vets is that improvements are continuing to be made and we aren't ---- on.
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Cant exactly remember when the post was made but someone brought up trump turning down presidential pay as some sort of proof he is in this for good reason. Turns out trumps made 10x that amount by defrauding taxpayers out of millions of dollars. The FOIA documents highlight how he is spending millions of taxpayer dollars at his resorts......not only spending it but price gauging at that. He is essentially stealing taxpayer money IMO.

This part right here is disgusting. If you believe trump is honorable for refusing to accept his pay then you have bought his BS hook line and sinker.

ProPublica, for example, found that Mar-a-Lago charged taxpayers $546 a night for rooms ― three times the per-diem rate and the maximum allowed by federal rules ―

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-golf-trips-millions-thanksgiving-221349040.html
 
I just want to take a second to say that I am glad this thread is pretty respectful despite the vast differences in opinions, I have been on other boards and certain people can back my statements up in saying that those other boards were somewhat vitrolic and toxic.
 
People can be disrespectful, and then feel bad. Then there are the people who are so dug in they feel it's their principled stance to be assholes and they don't need to feel regret over it. I've been an asshole, but don't really feel like I'm graced by some 'ethical ideal' to be 100% correct in that ideal.
 
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