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Not tired of winning yet.
Heelyes
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It means something,Romney is the only republican senator with a backbone. The state of the union is the best it's been in 2 decades? The union is more divided now than it was 20 years ago. There is little hope of bipartisan legislation being passed anytime soon. It's one way or the other with no middle ground.
Blue_Ridge_Escarpment
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You can thank that division on the extreme left wing of your party AOC, Bernie, Liz. It’s so bad for the dems that John Kerry is trying to get in lol.
Heelyes
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Enjoy it because when the day comes when the Dems are in control they will do as they please and use Trump as the justification
Heelyes
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I'm not a Democrat, just because I don't like Trump doesn't mean I like Nancy. She is my second most disliked politician
You act as though the dems have never been in control before, they have and I survived.
Blue_Ridge_Escarpment
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pcbjr
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Pretty much the rest of the cabal ...
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Heelyes
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The Dems have never been in control and had this precedent to use to justify anything they want to do. If you think Obama was bad wait until a Dem uses Trump's playbook against republicans
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Our long national nightmare is over...for probably 12 hours, if that.
Downeastnc
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They will have Bolton in front of the House inquiry soon enough, if he is telling the truth and spills the details its gonna look real bad for the GOP senators that voted today.....people also got to understand that Parnas has the goods, and he is awaiting trial and a lot of very bad things Trump/Rudy etc did are going to come to light, the full extent of what happened is going to be shocking once they tie in Firtash etc.....there is a lot of corruption in the Ukraine involving American politicians....and its not the Biden's.
Flurry
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LOL....The Biden's are at the very heart of it!!
I have to agree with you. We have to go back to the last impeachment to see an economy like this.
The Dems are so horrific you don't want them in control, the same Dems that would be in control if you got your wish in removing Trump? ?
Downeastnc
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The Trump supporters keep saying that but there is no real proof of anything, then on the other side there is tons of evidence and you guys act like there is nothing there. I guess it probably wouldn't matter even if there was ironclad proof of all of this anyways given todays vote....
pcbjr
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battle lines being drawn
everybody's right
and nobody's wrong ...
Folks, I fear the summer of '68 may recur
For the love of Pete and everyone and everything else, pray not ...
everybody's right
and nobody's wrong ...
Folks, I fear the summer of '68 may recur
For the love of Pete and everyone and everything else, pray not ...
Sandbar
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No President is going to end division. Not between congress or the electorate. I will tell you one great way to fix Congress. Bring in more prior military individuals. Men and women. There are no better problem solvers in this country.....
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Sandbar
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I think you solved the mystery. Trump supporters arent going to waste their life away scowling over evidence of wrongdoing when the "ironclad proof" is the BS we just witnessed.
Heelyes
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Actually I was thinking removing Trump could keep the Dems from taking power.The Dems are so horrific you don't want them in control, the same Dems that would be in control if you got your wish in removing Trump? ?
NCSNOW
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Look at the map. 6 republican seats maybe will be considered contestable.
NCSNOW
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Republicans wont have a coordinated effort to falsify documents warrants etc to make a false case out of thin air on one occasion, let alone 2.Thats the difference. Always has been and will be.
Sandbar
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Because you believe Republicans arent going to show up in November?
Rosie
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Heelyes
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I just think more would if he was impeached and the Dems probably won't beat pence or Trump. The Senate is what I'm referring to in the near term. If Trump wins but loses the Senate he is a lame duck .
Sandbar
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Mark this down. Trump will do very well with black Americans and that will kill Democrats. Some say the left will be emboldened. I dont believe it because people are watching these people in DC go off the deep end while they prosper and the Democrats offer Biden, Sanders and a host of other clowns. They may not turn to Trump. They will stay at home and watch the slaughter on TV
Blue_Ridge_Escarpment
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Are you kidding me? Have you not seen the Biden video saying he’s leaving with the aid money if the prosecutor Is not fired, the one investigating corruption of the company Hunter was on the board of. That is the only quid pro quo that’s been proven with the testimony of the very own Joe Biden.
Flurry
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Is it really surprising that Corn Pop was brilliant enough to say all that with HOT mics everywhere??? Nah, not really
Blue_Ridge_Escarpment
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No not a bit. The Trump camp just hopes he keeps talking the next few months.
Sandbar
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Biden is the gift that keeps on giving
Downeastnc
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If you guys took 10 mins to actually read legitimate sources and learn what is really going on then you would not make post like this one. The US wanted Shokin gone because he was crazy corrupt, Shokin was NOT investigating Burisma, the reason wasn't was was Shokin was bribing the owner to NOT investigate....even then Burisma was under investigation for a period of time several YEARS before Hunter joined the board...there is absolutely zero there...you guys think this is some kind of smoking gun and it simply isnt.
The inside story of Ukraine’s ‘very good’ prosecutor at the centre of Trump's latest scandal
Donald Trump said Ukraine’s former chief prosecutor was an honest, wronged man, fired after Joe Biden tried to shut down an investigation into his son’s gas company. In Kiev, Oliver Carroll speaks to people who know Viktor Shokin, and finds a different story
www.independent.co.uk
“Neither Shokin nor Poroshenko wanted to investigate [Burisma owner Mykola] Zlochevsky,” says Sakvarelidze. “They simply began a criminal case, arrested a few assets, and began negotiating with the corruptioneer for a bribe.”
Blue_Ridge_Escarpment
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Yeah I’d definitely believe this article from the UK. There’s a whole more here than what they opened article of impeachment’s for against the president. Shame.If you guys took 10 mins to actually read legitimate sources and learn what is really going on then you would not make post like this one. The US wanted Shokin gone because he was crazy corrupt, Shokin was NOT investigating Burisma, the reason wasn't was was Shokin was bribing the owner to NOT investigate....even then Burisma was under investigation for a period of time several YEARS before Hunter joined the board...there is absolutely zero there...you guys think this is some kind of smoking gun and it simply isnt.
The inside story of Ukraine’s ‘very good’ prosecutor at the centre of Trump's latest scandal
Donald Trump said Ukraine’s former chief prosecutor was an honest, wronged man, fired after Joe Biden tried to shut down an investigation into his son’s gas company. In Kiev, Oliver Carroll speaks to people who know Viktor Shokin, and finds a different story
“Neither Shokin nor Poroshenko wanted to investigate [Burisma owner Mykola] Zlochevsky,” says Sakvarelidze. “They simply began a criminal case, arrested a few assets, and began negotiating with the corruptioneer for a bribe.”
snowlover91
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Well we may get more info in the future regarding the Bidens, it looks like the GOP is opening a probe into this.
www.axios.com
Treasury Department complying with GOP requests for Hunter Biden review
The review was announced in a letter to the Secret Service director.
Cad Wedge NC
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We don't have to read any article..... we have the video. We all can watch it, and most of us have watched it. We don't need someone telling us what we just saw. Why, for the love of God, are you trying to defend this man??? He's the personification of corruption.If you guys took 10 mins to actually read legitimate sources and learn what is really going on then you would not make post like this one. The US wanted Shokin gone because he was crazy corrupt, Shokin was NOT investigating Burisma, the reason wasn't was was Shokin was bribing the owner to NOT investigate....even then Burisma was under investigation for a period of time several YEARS before Hunter joined the board...there is absolutely zero there...you guys think this is some kind of smoking gun and it simply isnt.
The inside story of Ukraine’s ‘very good’ prosecutor at the centre of Trump's latest scandal
Donald Trump said Ukraine’s former chief prosecutor was an honest, wronged man, fired after Joe Biden tried to shut down an investigation into his son’s gas company. In Kiev, Oliver Carroll speaks to people who know Viktor Shokin, and finds a different story
“Neither Shokin nor Poroshenko wanted to investigate [Burisma owner Mykola] Zlochevsky,” says Sakvarelidze. “They simply began a criminal case, arrested a few assets, and began negotiating with the corruptioneer for a bribe.”
Blue_Ridge_Escarpment
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What’s so comical about all of this is that they just tried to impeach a president on he said she said or I thought he meant this on the call when I heard it. Yet we have Sleepy Joe on video saying it in his own words and now they want us to believe he didn’t really mean it the way he said it. For the sake of America this clown show has got to stop.
Blindness. Total blindness to the truth, clouded by feelings of dislike. We are all capable of not seeing the truth, this is not a diss on anyone. Just a statement.
Downeastnc
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Its just what he says and does is not what you make it out to be.....the simple fact is the USA wanted Shokin gone because he was NOT investigating corruption enough, this includes Burisma, your entire argument about WHY "Biden" wanted Shokin gone is based on this concept that Biden did it to somehow protect his son, a son who was not even being investigated. The reality is that by getting Shokin removed the chances that Burisma would actually be seriously investigated went UP.....also Biden's actions where part of the overall US/Euro plan he was not acting alone when he did this he had nothing personal to gain from it....
So explain why Biden would want to get rid of the guy that as not even actively investigating his son or even the company he worked for, or better yet a guy that was easily bought off so he could be replaced by someone that potentially WOULD do those things if I knew my son and I were corrupt.
snowlover91
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I think the potential issue is the conflict of interest issue that has been raised regarding the Biden's which is what will be investigated by the GOP.
"Enter Hunter Biden, who made the jaw-droppingly stupid decision to accept a post on the board of Burisma, a Ukrainian energy company founded and tainted by an oligarch widely labeled as corrupt, while his father was the leading Obama administration point person on Ukraine. Even if Hunter Biden’s sole interest had been to help Burisma adopt better governance practices and mend its ways — I’m offering that just for the sake of argument, not because there’s any evidence to support that idea — he should have known better than to lend his name to a company under investigation for money laundering." Source
"The chronology of the Bidens' transactions raises serious questions:
April 15, 2014: Burisma sends Hunter Biden's business partner, Devon Archer, $112,000.
April 16, 2014: Archer visits Vice President Biden at the White House.
April 21, 2014: Vice President Biden arrives in Ukraine bearing millions in aid for the Ukraine energy industry.
May 12, 2014: Hunter Biden joins Burisma's board.
February 2015: Ukrainian authorities seize the property of Burisma's CEO and go after unpaid taxes.
March 2016: Biden demands that Ukraine's top prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, be fired, and threatens to hold up $1 billion in U.S. loan guarantees.
The Biden campaign claims the vice president demanded Shokin's dismissal for being soft on corruption, and the media gladly parrot that claim. It defies common sense.
Though accounts vary about how aggressively Shokin investigated Burisma, Shokin himself is clear. In an email to The Washington Post, he blamed Vice President Biden for getting him axed, saying that Biden's "motives" were "the activities of Hunter Biden, and the investigators on his tail.
"Profiles in Corruption," a new book by Peter Schweizer, documents how Biden's family and friends leveraged his position to cash in with deals in China, Iraq, Kazakhstan and Latin America. Joe Biden's suspect dealings in Ukraine were not out of character." Source
So while there isn't any proof here of corruption there are some concerns that would warrant an investigation into what was going on, especially with the reputation Burisma had for being corrupt. The very nature of someone joining a company like Burisma, known for corruption and money laundering practices, should raise some serious red flags and at the very least there is a potential conflict of interest issue.
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