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Rain Cold said:
It's too late. Any chance that we can achieve unity now, outside of a war or a calamity of some type, has evaporated. This thread, and those like it, is a pretty good representation of society. Too much emotion, too much bias, too much hypocrisy, and not enough patience, love, compassion, and level-headedness. The problems are always the fault of the other side. Just sit back and read the pages of this thread.
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The reason I brought it up is a guy in have a long posting history with made a thread yesterday and right away just showed his hypocrisy to such an absurd level to me. I refrained from bringing it up because I know he isnt changing his mind. He despises this mask order and rants about "freedom of choice".

He is a religious right trump was sent by god types. Freedom of choice only applies to him.

If I wanted the choice to smoke MJ he would say no, to have a doctor help me end my life in the face of devastating diagnoses, no way, abortion.......forget about it, someones choice to marry same.sex.....cant have that.

When I see so much hypocrisy......and the left is just as guilty then I cant for the life me see a way for us to unite.

Hypocrisy on those levels breeds division i guess is how I view it.
 

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Shaggy said:
The reason I brought it up is a guy in have a long posting history with made a thread yesterday and right away just showed his hypocrisy to such an absurd level to me. I refrained from bringing it up because I know he isnt changing his mind. He despises this mask order and rants about "freedom of choice".

He is a religious right trump was sent by god types. Freedom of choice only applies to him.

If I wanted the choice to smoke MJ he would say no, to have a doctor help me end my life in the face of devastating diagnoses, no way, abortion.......forget about it, someones choice to marry same.sex.....cant have that.

When I see so much hypocrisy......and the left is just as guilty then I cant for the life me see a way for us to unite.

Hypocrisy on those levels breeds division i guess is how I view it.
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1% of the US population dying is 3.3 million people. In what bizarro world is that okay?
 
Shaggy said:
Good read. After giving it some thought I'm stuck on the differences between "teaching" of our past versus monuments and statues meant to honor those men. I think that's a pretty significant determination to make. Can we still teach without the honoring of them?
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Would you possibly be more content if NOBODY were honored with monuments, statues, benches, street names, building names, or whatever kind of honor? Maybe even make it illegal to do so?
 
GaWx said:
Would you possibly be more content if NOBODY were honored with monuments, statues, benches, street names, building names, or whatever kind of honor? Maybe even make it illegal to do so?
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Reasons for honoring matter. Would we build a statue to "honor" Hitler? Would we build a statue to honor mother Teresa?
 
GaWx said:
Would you possibly be more content if NOBODY were honored with monuments, statues, benches, street names, building names, or whatever kind of honor? Maybe even make it illegal to do so?
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I think General Robert E Lee said it best. He said it was wiser, “Not to keep open the sores of war but to follow the examples of those nations who endeavored to obliterate the marks of civil strife.”
 
all I'm going to say and I'm not trying to start a political argument I'm just trying to let people know where some of us are coming from.. no one ever said the country was divided until Republicans started standing up for their selves and standing up for their beliefs. Democrats have been doing that for years and no one ever said they were dividing the country. Yes Trump is a jackass like I have said before. Yes there are crazy right-wingers just like their crazy left lunatics. But just because Republicans finally started standing up for their selves and for this country does not mean that we are divisive. There are certain times in life where you have to stand up for things before they get out of control, stand up for what is right. Now I know this will trigger some Democrats just as much and that is fine that's part of the dialogue. But for far too long Republicans did not fight and this is why we were in the shape we are in.
 
Shaggy said:
Reasons for honoring matter. Would we build a statue to "honor" Hitler? Would we build a statue to honor mother Teresa?
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No and yes from MY perspective. But what about other people who are in between these extremes and are the vast majority? Like Columbus, Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, MLK. Obama, Trump etc. Individuals have different perspectives. Who determines who can be honored and who cannot be honored?

I'm concerned about a slippery slope: how does the line get drawn between ok and not ok and who determines that line?
 
GaWx said:
No and yes from MY perspective. But what about other people who are in between these extremes and are the vast majority? Like Columbus, Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, MLK. Obama, Trump etc. Individuals have different perspectives. Who determines who can be honored and who cannot be honored?

I'm concerned about a slippery slope: how does the line get drawn between ok and not ok and who determines that line?
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We share these concerns. I think one clear line that can be drawn is along basic human decency. Yes the men of that time did what they knew and today thats no longer decent treatment of human beings. So where does the memory of that belong.

We can agree it's a slippery slope.
 
GaWx said:
I can't get over Communist News Network and MS Nothing But Communism going apeshoot over the July 4th celebration outdoor gatherings but not do the same for antipolice anarchists. Ludicrous double standard, folks.
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I'll say it again. In my opinion, 95% of the media wants to divide the people of this country. We see example after example on a continuing basis. Fair and accurate journalism is dead.
 
Shaggy said:
And why arent you harping on the right who think anyone not following those things is a commie?
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Because, if you don't like the things that America was founded upon. You must be in support of something other than America. That's how you get to be tagged a commie.
 
Cad Wedge NC said:
Slowly, we are getting away from the things that have made us great, and now we are bowing down to the things that will make us weak.
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So saying slavery is bad makes us weak? Agreeing that all men were created equal and allowing sa.e sex marriage makes us weak? I'm not following what makes us weak?

What makes us weak is our division. A house divided can not stand. That's what makes us weak.
 
Shaggy said:
So saying slavery is bad makes us weak? Agreeing that all men were created equal and allowing sa.e sex marriage makes us weak? I'm not following what makes us weak?

What makes us weak is our division. A house divided can not stand. That's what makes us weak.
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stretch46 said:
I'll say it again. In my opinion, 95% of the media wants to divide the people of this country. We see example after example on a continuing basis. Fair and accurate journalism is dead.
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YES! This 95% is an enemy to freedom loving people of America. When they are not destroying lives they are covering up for certain individuals responsible for destroying lives.
 
Shaggy said:
And why arent you harping on the right who think anyone not following those things is a commie?
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When you broad brush the “right” by saying they believe you are communist for not believing like them, you lose your argument. Please state proof of your assertion that the right believes this as a group.
 
Shaggy said:
@Jessy89 check out this polls(you can scroll down to religious groups) evangelical losses for trump in the last month. They have cratered bigly. From 81% down to 62%. He loses even 1 or 2% of that vote and Kanye can win 1 million and trump will still get trounced.

Trump Favorability Slips Among White Catholic and Non-College Americans During National Unrest | PRRI

New data from PRRI shows that 41% of Americans hold favorable views of President Donald Trump.
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I promise, West will take more votes away from Joe, overall
 


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tramadoc said:
Does my answer satisfy you?
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Yes, I agree 90% with you except on TPP. The reason is I need to a refresher on it. But, the Russia thing.... follow the money and look back on the debates in 2016. Russia would be crazy to supported Trump over Clinton. If it was true, Trump would have been fired already.
 
I'm starting to like this channel. A lot of these guys see saying what I think and there seems to be quite a good number of anti-trump Republican groups taking shape.

 
VegasEagle said:
Good come back, but, very far left does fall into commie ideology
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The far right is just as bad, they want a authoritarian/fascist type government......it works both ways.....and both are just as bad and divisive as the other.....the real trouble is that many people don't realize how much they support this stuff by refusing to buck their party......

There are tons of far right folks that want this to be a white, christian nation at its core, they see Trump as the one who will deliver that to them, thats why the white nationalist movement has gained ground, its always been there but those people are emboldened to speak out with Trump in charge....they pay lip service to equality etc but if they had the power to make it a white christian country they would,

The far left is just as bad, they would make it a totalitarian socialist society if they could.....the real trick again is getting people to see the light and realize that both parties are off the rails and its going to cause us all to lose in the end unless we fix it.....but until enough people seriously abandon the two main parties or stop electing the idiots they prop up we are doomed to keep getting idiots like Trump as president.
 
Shaggy said:
I'm starting to like this channel. A lot of these guys see saying what I think and there seems to be quite a good number of anti-trump Republican groups taking shape.

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These are my people, these are the people that get it......these are the people Trump said where scum, he literally hates these people now because they dont support him and speak out against him....I suspect there are WAY more Republicans like us than Trump can ever imagine...

 
Bham 99 said:
I just was in CVS and they had to sign up just said there was a coin shortage for change in Charlotte!! @Jessy89
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It’s all over. The mint’s are closed and not producing new coins. People do like I do and put their change in a jar at the end of the day. All the stores around me are asking for exact change or debit/credit cards.
 
Downeastnc said:


These are my people, these are the people that get it......these are the people Trump said where scum, he literally hates these people now because they dont support him and speak out against him....I suspect there are WAY more Republicans like us than Trump can ever imagine...

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I just hope theres enough of us.
 
tramadoc said:
It’s all over. The mint’s are closed and not producing new coins. People do like I do and put their change in a jar at the end of the day. All the stores around me are asking for exact change or debit/credit cards.
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I have no idea. Just thought was interesting.
 
Downeastnc said:
The far right is just as bad, they want a authoritarian/fascist type government......it works both ways.....and both are just as bad and divisive as the other.....the real trouble is that many people don't realize how much they support this stuff by refusing to buck their party......

There are tons of far right folks that want this to be a white, christian nation at its core, they see Trump as the one who will deliver that to them, thats why the white nationalist movement has gained ground, its always been there but those people are emboldened to speak out with Trump in charge....they pay lip service to equality etc but if they had the power to make it a white christian country they would,

The far left is just as bad, they would make it a totalitarian socialist society if they could.....the real trick again is getting people to see the light and realize that both parties are off the rails and its going to cause us all to lose in the end unless we fix it.....but until enough people seriously abandon the two main parties or stop electing the idiots they prop up we are doomed to keep getting idiots like Trump as president.
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Replace fascist with populist
 
VegasEagle said:
Yes, there is. Research it
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Yes. One can lead to the other. Interesting fascism starts according to this article Supportive Gangs taking to violence in the street sounds a lot like Bethel, Ohio to me. Threatening to deploy our military against our own citizens. Issuing bayonets to our guardsmen. Nah nothing to see here.

Anyone watching trump see the clear writing on the wall.

qz.com

The key difference between populism and fascism

An important lesson for right now.
qz.com qz.com
 
Shaggy said:
Yes. One can lead to the other. Interesting fascism starts according to this article Supportive Gangs taking to violence in the street sounds a lot like Bethel, Ohio to me. Threatening to deploy our military against our own citizens. Issuing bayonets to our guardsmen. Nah nothing to see here.

Anyone watching trump see the clear writing on the wall.

qz.com

The key difference between populism and fascism

An important lesson for right now.
qz.com qz.com
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I have a real problem with your suggestion of our military being deployed "AGAINST" our citizens. Your pure hatred is one thing, this crosses the line.
 
Sandbar said:
I have a real problem with your suggestion of our military being deployed "AGAINST" our citizens. Your pure hatred is one thing, this crosses the line.
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Talk to your guy trump. He's the one that wanted it. Who were the unidentified "police" that were stationed in DC during the riots?
 
Sandbar said:
I have a real problem with your suggestion of our military being deployed "AGAINST" our citizens. Your pure hatred is one thing, this crosses the line.
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What line does it cross, NG troops fired weapons ( non lethal ) at Americans during the riots.....whether you agree or disagree with them being used like that it does not change that they were deployed against citizens of the USA.....not sure where the confusion comes in.....or why it crosses a line....

Who you reckon they were gonna be up against the North Korea's maybe some ISIS folks.....
 
Shaggy said:
Yes. One can lead to the other. Interesting fascism starts according to this article Supportive Gangs taking to violence in the street sounds a lot like Bethel, Ohio to me. Threatening to deploy our military against our own citizens. Issuing bayonets to our guardsmen. Nah nothing to see here.

Anyone watching trump see the clear writing on the wall.

qz.com

The key difference between populism and fascism

An important lesson for right now.
qz.com qz.com
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Do better research
 
Shaggy said:
Talk to your guy trump. He's the one that wanted it. Who were the unidentified "police" that were stationed in DC during the riots?
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They came from numerous sources of the federal law enforcement agency. I was there doing private security but know a few former service members involved. They can be pulled from dozens of departments across a broad spectrum. This is hardly new
 
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