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Downeastnc said:
This was a pretty in depth look/poll lots of data and charts my kind of polling data....obviously if these numbers are right Trump is done....I think its closer than this shows but FL/NC/AZ are much more in play that many Trump supporters think....MI is gonna go to Biden, PA probably too, Trump HAS to win at least one of WI/PA/MI which is why he is in WI today.....his numbers are best there.....you will know how Trumps campaign feels about MI and PA by how much money/time they spend there over the next few months..

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Latest USA Swing State Voting Intention (14 to 19 June)

A month ago, Redfield & Wilton Strategies began conducting polls of registered voters in six key swing states for the 2020 Presidential Election: Arizona, North Carolina, Florida, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin.
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Did you look at some of these sample sizes? Not buying it. Just like 2016 I expect much baloney from those that said Hillary had a 98% chance of winning against Trump.

Sample Sizes: 267 (AZ), 288 (FL), 234 (MI), 288 (NC), 370 (PA), 288 (WI)

Sample Sizes: 306 (AZ), 390 (FL), 311 (MI), 354 (NC), 451 (PA), 323 (WI)

Sample Sizes: 865 (AZ), 1079 (FL), 826 (MI), 902 (NC), 1125 (PA), 846 (WI)
 
Jessy89 said:
If it gets to the Supreme Court Forest has a shot.


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So now you approve of activist judges.

I'd like for anyone here to highlight the specific part of constitution that these mask orders infringe.

If a mask infringes on your rights then so do curfews preventing peaceful 1st amendment protest.
 
Shaggy said:
So now you approve of activist judges.

I'd like for anyone here to highlight the specific part of constitution that these mask orders infringe.

If a mask infringes on your rights then so do curfews preventing peaceful 1st amendment protest.
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It will be interesting to see how Forest frames this challenge. Cooper does not have the authority to ruin businesses for one.
 
CoolNights said:
It will be interesting to see how Forest frames this challenge. Cooper does not have the authority to ruin businesses for one.
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But he does have the authority to do what it takes to keep this virus under control. If folks stay stupid and do not wear masks the lockdowns should come back. What good is freedom if this virus kills you. Not much is it.
 
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Federal judge rules against Beshear’s order on in-person protests at KY Capitol (interesting)

In his ruling Wednesday, the judge said, “A blanket prohibition on gathering in large groups to express constitutionally protected speech is unconstitutional. When liberty is at stake, policy makers must be more precise.”

He said Beshear is taking the position of “trust us as policy makers to make the best decisions for the citizens of the Commonwealth in responding to a pandemic.”

https://www.kentucky.com/news/politics-government/article243772797.html
 
Shaggy said:
So now you approve of activist judges.

I'd like for anyone here to highlight the specific part of constitution that these mask orders infringe.

If a mask infringes on your rights then so do curfews preventing peaceful 1st amendment protest.
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I’m not saying I’m choosing a side. I’m just saying how he has a chance to win. However curfews to protect against violence is something I support because I don’t like seeing people shoot others over nonsense


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JHS said:
But he does have the authority to do what it takes to keep this virus under control. If folks stay stupid and do not wear masks the lockdowns should come back. What good is freedom if this virus kills you. Not much is it.
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Well let's look at how many diseases the country has lived through without draconian responses--Small Pox, Tuberculosis, Polio, 1918 Flu, etc. This virus is not as severe as these diseases by far. If this was ebola I would understand. Five Democrats governors used their authority to send contagious patients to nursing homes killing thousands? Are these people helpless against stupid governors abusing their authority?
 
CoolNights said:
Well let's look at how many diseases the country has lived through without draconian responses--Small Pox, Tuberculosis, Polio, 1918 Flu, etc. This virus is not as severe as these diseases by far. If this was ebola I would understand. Five Democrats governors used their authority to send contagious patients to nursing homes killing thousands? Are these people helpless against stupid governors abusing their authority?
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Draconian measures were taken in many states with the first wave of the 1918 flu.
 
CoolNights said:
Well let's look at how many diseases the country has lived through without draconian responses--Small Pox, Tuberculosis, Polio, 1918 Flu, etc. This virus is not as severe as these diseases by far. If this was ebola I would understand. Five Democrats governors used their authority to send contagious patients to nursing homes killing thousands? Are these people helpless against stupid governors abusing their authority?
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Those 5 should have to answer some tough questions about that.
 
Jessy89 said:
I’m not saying I’m choosing a side. I’m just saying how he has a chance to win. However curfews to protect against violence is something I support because I don’t like seeing people shoot others over nonsense


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Nope. Curfews dont just effect rioters and looters.

It stops a prayer vigil or a moment of silence or even you going to get dinner fofor your family.

A curfew is 10x the infringement on constitutional rights than wearing a mask.
 
GaWx said:
Draconian measures were taken in many states with the first wave of the 1918 flu.
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But not a national lock-down. "There were no reported quarantines during spring 1918. However, the first wave caused a significant disruption in the military operations of World War I, with 3/4 of French troops, half the British forces, and over 900,000 German soldiers sick.[35]"

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GaWx said:
Draconian measures were taken in many states with the first wave of the 1918 flu.
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We're not close to these numbers.

The Spanish flu, also known as the 1918 flu pandemic, was an unusually deadly influenza pandemic caused by the H1N1 influenza A virus. Lasting February 1918 to April 1920, it infected 500 million people–about a third of the world's population at the time–in four successive waves. The death toll may have been anything from 17 million to 50 million, and possibly as high as 100 million, making it one of the deadliest pandemics in human history.[3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu
 
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JHS said:
wlos.com

Court sides with health officials over opening of speedway

A North Carolina stock car racetrack must remain closed and propose a new social distancing plan after a judge sided with health officials in an effort to curb the coronavirus spread. Superior Court Judge D. Thomas Lambeth Jr. agreed with health officials who said large gatherings at the Ace...
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N.C. has quite a few activist liberal judges ! Think I’ll agree with shaggy and downeast. I don’t want my judges to be hyper partisan activists of any kind.
 
Jimmy Hypocracy said:
Clinton/Gore 1992 Campaign Pin

In an age before WOKE ruled the mainstream.

You guys were racist and didn’t even know it! Or maybe you did ?

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See what had happened was, this was back before the party switch when Democrats were Republicans and Republicans were Democrats.
 
Jessy89 said:
Not at all


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Actually it is. One of them is small and is delegated to hiding in the shadows and sneaking onto interstate bridges burning crosses in anonymity. The other is large enough to block city streets in broad daylight and influence nationwide elections.
 
CoolNights said:
Washington Gov. Jay Inslee announces misdemeanor charges for people who don't wear face masks (see where this is heading)

www.washingtontimes.com

Jay Inslee, Wash. governor, announces misdemeanor charges for people who don’t wear face masks

Starting Friday, individuals in Washington state who don’t wear face masks in public could face a misdemeanor charge, Gov. Jay Inslee announced.
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But he wouldn’t take action against people destroying Seattle and leading to loss of life...
 
NoSnowATL said:
Some in the BLM seem to hate whites so I think it’s closer then we think. KKK and the black Panthers used to be a battle for tv time but now they do hide in the shadows.
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Some BLM may hate whites but most don't. All KKK hates blacks and they killed hundreds if not thousands of people.
 
Heelyes said:
Some BLM may hate whites but most don't. All KKK hates blacks and they killed hundreds if not thousands of people.
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The problem isn’t who they hate, it’s what can they get done. If BLM gets their Marxist ideas passed, it hurts way more than the KKK could have dreamed.
 
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