Not since the team of Gingrich and Clinton, who worked together well. I miss the days of cooperation between the parties.
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Not since the team of Gingrich and Clinton, who worked together well. I miss the days of cooperation between the parties.
Avalanche
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Clinton liked being popular. ---- Morris, his advisor at the time, told him to pass welfare reform, and hed win reelection. Clinton didnt like the idea, as it would be against his constituents desires, but he liked being popular and in this case that was a good quailty.
SimeonNC
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So idk if anyone else knows about this but Rashida Tlaib was outed as a racist, she made some statement to the Detroit police about how facial recognition AI needs to be operated by black people because apparently all non-blacks think all black people look alike.
What's funny is that the chief and the DP who argued against this were both black and Rashida still tried to argue against then.
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What's funny is that the chief and the DP who argued against this were both black and Rashida still tried to argue against then.
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Avalanche
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Bush and trump should be likeable by the left since they are willing to empty the treasury. However, they didnt. They didnt like romney or mccain, who wouldve been moderates at best. Truth is, the left isnt willing to participate with those on the right even when the right's policies might benefit them. So the way i see it, the lack of compromise and working together is on the left. All they did was obstruct during both rep administrations. Cant say we didnt throw them a few bones. They wanted nothing to do with it. So Trump goes all right wing. If youre not going to get cooperation from the left by being a centrist, then why be it? Lead how you got elected. If the country wanted a centrist, theyd have elected a romney or mccain instead of obama or trump.
Avalanche
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Look, we all see things through the prism of our own worldview. Lets agree to disagree, but be willing to hear truth and discard what is not.
I think it is both sides. I didn’t care for Obama at all because I thought he was divisive, especially when it came to class warfare and the lack of support for the police as an institution. I never voted for him. However, even I’ll acknowledge that the GOP as a whole had virtually no interest in working together with him.
Downeastnc
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This is my big thing, when the GOP did nothing but fight Obama at every turn the Republicans thought it was great, the Dems do it to Trump and its terrible....it also amazes me how people can rail against Obama and Hillary for all the crap they did wrong but as soon as they get their guy in they act like the same exact crap they do is NBD and its maddening.....
This is why we have such horrible options, how is it that in this great nation of ours Hillary and Trump somehow were the best options for President just well it literally makes my head hurt that there are people that look at these two idiots and think gee there is someone I want leading my country. Trump for instance is a blithering idiot, how anyone see's different than that boggles my mind, he is a egotistical maniac and frankly a spoiled manchild......and we put him in charge of the greatest nation on Earth....WTF.
Now we have all these Dems most of which are uber progressives ( blame this on Trump driving the Dem base out so hard that these idiots can run and win because they will take ANYONE over Trump ) and we are up for a redo of this in 2020....no matter who wins we all lose.
My hope is that somehow the GOP realizes what is going to happen in 2020 and dumps Trump, gets Pence to pick Nikki Haley as his VP and then announce he is not running and let her pick someone like Trey Gowdy to run with to pull the Trumpers back and beat Warren/whoever
Cad Wedge NC
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At least we agree on something...... I would definitely vote for Trey Gowdy!
Downeastnc
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Nikki Haley is the most well rounded person the GOP can run IMO, she should be the front runner in 2024......Trey appeals to the Trumpers for some reason even though he kind of gave Trump a hard time.....I like him because he has a low BS factor IMO....those two together would be a easy win for the GOP I think....thought there are easily a dozen others that could get the job done.
Downeastnc
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These text and phone call records from Volker that he turned over today are not good for Trump, very obvious they are using aid package and a official visit to the WH etc as leverage to get Ukraine to go after Bursima etc.....
https://foreignaffairs.house.gov/_c...etter-on-state-departmnent-texts-10-03-19.pdf
https://foreignaffairs.house.gov/_c...etter-on-state-departmnent-texts-10-03-19.pdf
Avalanche
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The difference here is republicans didnt agree with Obama on policy, and we debated policy. What the left is doing is discarding policy and arguing on lies and falsehoods. Completely different.
Downeastnc
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I disagree they pretty much disagree with Trump on policy, it does not help Trump that he is divisive and rude and unethical to boot.....similar to Obama only 100 fold worse, Obama was arrogant and condescending and felt entitled a had a huge ego.....but Trump is taking that to a entire new level.....
The latest texts out etc between Volker, Sonduland, Taylor and the Ukrainians ( I linked it above ) paint a very clear picture that US/Ukraine relations hinged on the Ukraine investigating Biden......they flat out tell them that Zelensky cant visit DC and Trump until he agrees to investigate......then say the aid being withheld to force that investigation is a bad move.....they will impeach Trump over this.....this is the so called smoking gun.
“Heard from White House — assuming President Z convinces trump he will investigate / ‘get to the bottom of what happened’ in 2016, we will nail down date for visit to Washington,” Volker texted Zelensky’s aide, Andrey Yermak, on July 25, hours before Trump and the Ukrainian president spoke via phone.
“Are we now saying that security assistance and WH meeting are conditioned on investigations?” U.S. Charges D’affaires in Ukraine William B. “Bill” Taylor texted to Sondland on Sept. 1,
“As I said on the phone, I think it’s crazy to withhold security assistance for help with a political campaign,” Taylor later texted Sondland on Sept. 9, complaining that the Trump administration’s decision to withhold congressionally approved military aid to Ukraine had already created a “nightmare scenario.”
There was one more text message from Sondland that you left off....
I'm really not trying to debate this today but I think it's only fitting that all the info gets out. Here's an affidavit from Shokin (and I get it you're not going to give his sworn statement any credit, but so much of what we have is he said/she said so only fair to look at all of it). This affidavit was part of an Austrian extradition case involving another wealthy Ukrainian businessman, Dmitry Firtash. Interesting stuff... but I digress, I'm going to let the process play out and see what happens. It's really wearing me out Lol
The dems would inpeach Trump if he farted in public as a crime against nature. The general public will not care even if they prove the aid was hinged on the investigation because no one in the general public is ignorant enough to believe this type of thing does not go on every day with every administration.
Heelyes
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I have a hard time believing Reagan would ask the Soviets to investigate a opponent or Bush asking China the same. I can't imagine W or Clinton needing help from a communist country to be reelected and if Obama went on national television and asked the Chinese to investigate Romney he would have been impeached the next day
Cad Wedge NC
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Trump wants to end the corruption.... let the chips fall where they may. This is not about digging up dirt on another candidate. It's about making the public aware of how disgraceful the past administration was.
Heelyes
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I can't think of a better example of corruption than a president using his power to get a foreign country help win a election. He asked for Russia to help with emails and China to look into Biden on national television. Even if everything he talks about is true, this isn't the way to act as president. I would never take the word of China or Russia about any political office holder in this country. If Biden is corrupt that doesn't excuse the way the president is handling it
If so (and I don't necessarily believe that this isn't about digging up dirt about another candidate...how do you know it isn't?), why is he wasting his energy and time on the past admin instead of concentrating on his own admin and not being so incredibly divisive? He always acts like he's President of the Red nation rather than the US as a whole. I thought Obama was quite divisive and didn't like him as POTUS for that reason. I think Trump is worse and I find no resemblance between Trump and the greatest POTUS of my lifetime, Reagan.
*Edit: And I'm a good bit more Red than Blue by the way (right of center overall). I'd have a lot of trouble liking someone like Warren as POTUS from an overall policy standpoint, for example. She seems extremely liberal to me and would hate to see her as the next POTUS. But Trump is making that possible.
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Avalanche
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I don't know how you see it as being divisive, but I do think the MSM narrative is divisive, and full of deceit. That's what he's up against and I fully support his efforts. The latest job numbers/economic news is great. The only people that I can see that could view him as divisive are the socialist and MSM networks.
It seems like these days politicians are either too far left or too far right for my taste. I would like to see a candidate who is more down the middle.
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