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Rain Cold said:
I mainly troll the other board, but I agree with much of what you said. Where I diverge most strongly is about Trump being the worst thing to happen to the GOP and being either directly or indirectly related to the rise of the socialistic platform. That stuff has been bubbling beneath the surface for a while. You can only paper over real issues and force views onto the public for so long before you start to see entities like Trump or Sanders show up as mainstream icons in politics. The government is corrupt, top to bottom. It is now rapidly destroying the trust of the people, and they are having to go to greater lengths to fool us. This is becoming more visible by the day, and it won't be long until even the ones whose heads are buried the deepest will even start to wake up and see. The law of diminishing returns is clearly at work here, and it's all going to come to a head in the not-to-distant future. There is no putting the genie back into the bottle now. Just watch what happens from here....
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The people of both sides want a king, and they will eventually get one.
 
Horton middle school was Horton high school a all black school during segregation. Named after a slave who bought his freedom selling his peoms to liberal college students in chapel hill. Just got a big rebel flag planted across the street of it's campus to remind everyone we live in the south. MAGA
 
Heelyes said:
Horton middle school was Horton high school a all black school during segregation. Named after a slave who bought his freedom selling his peoms to liberal college students in chapel hill. Just got a big rebel flag planted across the street of it's campus to remind everyone we live in the south. MAGA
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Is there supposed to be a purpose to this post other than to try and make someone angry? I can't see how this could generate a civil discussion with the way you worded it. It's these sort of mindsets that make politics unbearable for people in my generation. It's too divisive and people don't want to work together, but would rather trash the other side with one stupid example and try to use that as something to anger the other side. I'd rather see less "He did this, let's bash their head in!" and more "He did this, so let's see how it happened and work so that it doesn't happen again civilly" because all that divisiveness is going to do is start another civil war eventually.
 
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ForsythSnow said:
Is there supposed to be a purpose to this post other than to try and make someone angry? I can't see how this could generate a civil discussion with the way you worded it. It's these sort of mindsets that make politics unbearable for people in my generation. It's too divisive and people don't want to work together, but would rather trash the other side with one stupid example and try to use that as something to anger the other side. I'd rather see less "He did this, let's bash their head in!" and more "He did this, so let's see how it happened and work so that it doesn't happen again civilly" because all that divisiveness is going to do is start another civil war eventually.
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Well to be fair the guy that is currently the leader of the USA is the least civil, most divisive guy around....its kind of hard to expect everyone to play nice when the leaders act like they do.....
 
Downeastnc said:
Well to be fair the guy that is currently the leader of the USA is the least civil, most divisive guy around....its kind of hard to expect everyone to play nice when the leaders act like they do.....
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But if the other side has the same attitude, and everyone else does, they're no better. It's like if someone sets a new low, the other side feels that's fair to stoop to.
 
ForsythSnow said:
But if the other side has the same attitude, and everyone else does, they're no better. It's like if someone sets a new low, the other side feels that's fair to stoop to.
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Agree but eventually one side has to take the high road and break the cycle....well I mean that's what responsible grown ups would do, we seem to have a shortage of them in DC right now....
 
ForsythSnow said:
Is there supposed to be a purpose to this post other than to try and make someone angry? I can't see how this could generate a civil discussion with the way you worded it. It's these sort of mindsets that make politics unbearable for people in my generation. It's too divisive and people don't want to work together, but would rather trash the other side with one stupid example and try to use that as something to anger the other side. I'd rather see less "He did this, let's bash their head in!" and more "He did this, so let's see how it happened and work so that it doesn't happen again civilly" because all that divisiveness is going to do is start another civil war eventually.
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Is there a purpose in putting a rebel flag in front of a school named after a slave? Is it to make people angry? Or is it to start another civil war? The traitors lost.
 
Heelyes said:
Is there a purpose in putting a rebel flag in front of a school named after a slave? Is it to make people angry? Or is it to start another civil war? The traitors lost.
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No there isn't, but the way the post was worded and yours as well shows that neither of you seem calm about it. Yes it's not right if it was planted for the reason of discrimination, but for the posts to go as far as include "MAGA", which is associated with trump, not the confederacy, and "only flag should be a white one" just makes people more divisive and hateful. There are better approaches than to scream "WRONG!!!!" at something and just throw a temper tantrum that someone put a flag up. It could be questioned why the person put it up for instance first. Perhaps they were simply unaware about the high schools history. It is possible it could've been for racial reasons, yes, but all I'm saying is that the first reaction shows the very thing I don't want to see our country become down the road, and that's sudden action without logical thought or a peaceful approach.
 
ForsythSnow said:
No there isn't, but the way the post was worded and yours as well shows that neither of you seem calm about it. Yes it's not right if it was planted for the reason of discrimination, but for the posts to go as far as include "MAGA", which is associated with trump, not the confederacy, and "only flag should be a white one" just makes people more divisive and hateful. There are better approaches than to scream "WRONG!!!!" at something and just throw a temper tantrum that someone put a flag up. It could be questioned why the person put it up for instance first. Perhaps they were simply unaware about the high schools history. It is possible it could've been for racial reasons, yes, but all I'm saying is that the first reaction shows the very thing I don't want to see our country become down the road, and that's sudden action without logical thought or a peaceful approach.
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Good post. I know some don't want to hear it, but the following two sentiments come from the same place in the heart: outright racism and the broad-brushing of people who support a certain political figure. Sure, one is, on it's face, much worse than the other, but they are both born out of prejudice and disdain.
 
ForsythSnow said:
No there isn't, but the way the post was worded and yours as well shows that neither of you seem calm about it. Yes it's not right if it was planted for the reason of discrimination, but for the posts to go as far as include "MAGA", which is associated with trump, not the confederacy, and "only flag should be a white one" just makes people more divisive and hateful. There are better approaches than to scream "WRONG!!!!" at something and just throw a temper tantrum that someone put a flag up. It could be questioned why the person put it up for instance first. Perhaps they were simply unaware about the high schools history. It is possible it could've been for racial reasons, yes, but all I'm saying is that the first reaction shows the very thing I don't want to see our country become down the road, and that's sudden action without logical thought or a peaceful approach.
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If there wasn't big Trump flags being waved next to the rebel flag you would have a point, but they are there with MAGA hats on. The only reason these people wouldn't know about the history of that school is most of them are from out of state. These people are the ones causing trouble and dividing the community not people like me who don't want to see that stupid flag all over town. I have lived here over forty years and never seen this kind of behavior
 
Heelyes said:
If there wasn't big Trump flags being waved next to the rebel flag you would have a point, but they are there with MAGA hats on. The only reason these people wouldn't know about the history of that school is most of them are from out of state. These people are the ones causing trouble and dividing the community not people like me who don't want to see that stupid flag all over town. I have lived here over forty years and never seen this kind of behavior
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I still wouldn't associate the few idiots with a whole party or support base, because that's just stupid. It's about as stupid as the OK hand gesture being called hateful because some idiots chose to use it. What if they drank water in the name of hate? You can't just call something basic hate because it's associated with a bad person or group. Yes there are exceptions like the Nazi flag, but Just because a Trump flag is added to the mix doesn't make it a multiplier. What if they had a gay pride flag in there as well? Would you associate that with the confederacy and white supremacy as well? Take the setup and break it down instead of brewing them all together and using stereotypes to enhance your argument. They support Trump and the confederate flag, but the Trump base as a whole does not support the confederate flag or what it's associated with. You can target one group and bring in a whole lot of unwanted company, just like you can fish and catch either complete trash or a great catch. There's also the chance they could be putting the flag up for attention, which if drawn to, then they'll keep it. If they fail to rile people up over a flag, then they either keep it up because nobody cares or take it down because they failed to get attention. Unless they are ordered legally to take it down, then they have legal right to fly it. Is it ethical? No. And part of why you're seeing the behavior is because of political divide. One side does something the other deems crazy and they stoop to that level as I mentioned. An example could be them seeing the statue removal thing as crazy so they throw up more confederate flags in response.
 
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I still wouldn't associate the few idiots with a whole party or support base, because that's just stupid. It's about as stupid as the OK hand gesture being called hateful because some idiots chose to use it. What if they drank water in the name of hate? You can't just call something basic hate because it's associated with a bad person or group. Yes there are exceptions like the Nazi flag, but Just because a Trump flag is added to the mix doesn't make it a multiplier. What if they had a gay pride flag in there as well? Would you associate that with the confederacy and white supremacy as well? Take the setup and break it down instead of brewing them all together and using stereotypes to enhance your argument. They support Trump and the confederate flag, but the Trump base as a whole does not support the confederate flag or what it's associated with. You can target one group and bring in a whole lot of unwanted company, just like you can fish and catch either complete trash or a great catch. There's also the chance they could be putting the flag up for attention, which if drawn to, then they'll keep it. If they fail to rile people up over a flag, then they either keep it up because nobody cares or take it down because they failed to get attention. Unless they are ordered legally to take it down, then they have legal right to fly it. Is it ethical? No. And part of why you're seeing the behavior is because of political divide. One side does something the other deems crazy and they stoop to that level as I mentioned. An example could be them seeing the statue removal thing as crazy so they throw up more confederate flags in response.
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I know all Trump supporters don't want the flags everywhere but the people doing this are all Trump supporters. They are mainly from Virginia and are here to cause trouble. I'm glad they are here because they gave the few locals that support this the courage to express their racist thoughts for the rest of the community to see. Chatham county had the second most lynchings in NC and when we tried to build a memorial for it we were told it was divisive and to leave it in the past
 
Heelyes said:
Horton middle school was Horton high school a all black school during segregation. Named after a slave who bought his freedom selling his peoms to liberal college students in chapel hill. Just got a big rebel flag planted across the street of it's campus to remind everyone we live in the south. MAGA
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You realize the more push you have against people displaying these the more people do? After the whole Charlottesville debacle 2 more went up to where I am, there's also the organization in NC dedicated to plastering the flag on every major highway in every single county in the state. They are doing a good job so far, I went to a school in Wake county ( literally only 2 years ago I graduated so this ain't the 1980s lmao) where even some of the black kids would wear confederate belt buckles. It meant nothing. God bless the man doing it if anything it's his way of saying you will not erase and ignore me because you don't like my heritage and a response to an influx of transplants from elsewhere trying to supplant the local culture.

I hope that's not too divisive mods lol.

Pittsboro city council is mostly non-natives who of course voted to get rid of the statue, natives responded. As the mayor of Pittsboro said, " If we did not see the statue become a flashpoint we would not see these flags going up". It seems the organization put another one on 64 two weeks ago and plans more as well. No surprise at all.

https://www.wral.com/confederate-flag-raised-felled-raised-again-in-pittsboro/18662513/
 
Lickwx said:
You realize the more push you have against people displaying these the more people do? After the whole Charlottesville debacle 2 more went up to where I am, there's also the organization in NC dedicated to plastering the flag on every major highway in every single county in the state. They are doing a good job so far, I went to a school in Wake county ( literally only 2 years ago I graduated so this ain't the 1980s lmao) where even some of the black kids would wear confederate belt buckles. It meant nothing. God bless the man doing it if anything it's his way of saying you will not erase and ignore me because you don't like my heritage and a response to an influx of transplants from elsewhere trying to supplant the local culture.

I hope that's not too divisive mods lol.

Pittsboro city council is mostly non-natives who of course voted to get rid of the statue, natives responded. As the mayor of Pittsboro said, " If we did not see the statue become a flashpoint we would not see these flags going up". It seems the organization put another one on 64 two weeks ago and plans more as well. No surprise at all.

https://www.wral.com/confederate-flag-raised-felled-raised-again-in-pittsboro/18662513/
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Nice try but it's the county not the town that ruled 4 to 1 to remove. The non native members live here unlike all the flag wavers
 
Shaggy said:
Jeff Flake had a pretty strong take on trump. Sort of close to where i am on the man. He is trash as a human and doesnt deserve admiration or respect. He gives it to the GOP pretty hard here.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/jeff-flake-republicans-dont-support-144117721.html
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Jeff Flakes a republican on paper only so no surprises really.

Also where are all the strong words against Joe Biden for actually admitting on video that he told the Ukrainian Pres to fire the prosecutor or we will withhold the money. "Son of a b.... he was fired". How come Hillary and Obama were never held accountable for lying about Benghazi or Hillary destroying evidence (30k plus emails)? I don't know the double standards just annoy me to no end...
 
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