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I’m not sure what kind of reform people are expecting. Cops have and always will use force. They don’t call it “The strong arm of the law” for nothing. Police departments around the country are already required to hire a proportionate number of minority officers. That’s why we still see the minority officers kicking the sh** out of minority citizens on video periodically. 2 of the 3/4 officers that were responsible for Mr. Floyd’s death were in fact minorities. That’s disproportionate. Ok, so then we blame it on the white man’s policing system. This is also a flawed argument because a basic police state dates all the way back to Ancient Egypt with one basic principle that still reigns today; Adhering to the law and maintaining respect for one’s self, one’s family, immediate community, and the greater good of one’s society. Immense training in less lethal force would be the only real way I could see this problem getting any better and, even then, it’s not going away entirely. The police state is not going anywhere.
 
I’m not sure what kind of reform people are expecting. Cops have and always will use force. They don’t call it “The strong arm of the law” for nothing. Police departments around the country are already required to hire a proportionate number of minority officers. That’s why we still see the minority officers kicking the sh** out of minority citizens on video periodically. 2 of the 3/4 officers that were responsible for Mr. Floyd’s death were in fact minorities. That’s disproportionate. Ok, so then we blame it on the white man’s policing system. This is also a flawed argument because a basic police state dates all the way back to Ancient Egypt with one basic principle that still reigns today; Adhering to the law and maintaining respect for one’s self, one’s family, immediate community, and the greater good of one’s society. Immense training in less lethal force would be the only real way I could see this problem getting any better and, even then, it’s not going away entirely. The police state is not going anywhere.
There's no way the police state can go away. This is evident now more so than ever after seeing what people are capable of.
 
Yeah I would stay out of big cities... just not worth the risk with the rioting going on and the violence right now. It stinks for sure but staying safe is key... COVID-19 is the least of our concerns now.

Update we managed to do a quick trip downtown to see Dealey Plaza and we're back in 2 hours by 3

Just got a notice at 7pm the trains are shutting down again due to curfew
 
Can you read? I said protestors, not rioters. Some of you really do enjoy trying to make arguments in bad faith.
Everyone has a right to protest of course, but I'm assuming that police are mostly arresting the ones that are being violent. 95% of the people on the streets are doing the right thing, but the other 5% need to be dealt with. Now if the cops are arresting and harassing the peaceful protesters that is another matter and needs to stop. In Greenville SC people are out on the streets protesting peacefully and as far as I know are not being harassed or arrested. This needs to be the case in the entire country but it is not.
 
All the calls to send in the NG and an iron fist make me cringe.

If your wife comes to you saying theres a serious problem with the relationship because you yell too much are you going to

A) reflect on what she is saying and see if there are ways for you to change or

B) Yell at her that she needs to sit back and not complain...

Which results do you think you would get in those 2 scenarios?
 
I come in peace and good faith. Is there evidence that peaceful protesters have been jailed or treated unfairly by police?
Not sure about that but I do know police are arresting and harassing members of the media. What happened Friday to that CNN crew was senseless. Those cops need to be punished.
 
Everyone has a right to protest of course, but I'm assuming that police are mostly arresting the ones that are being violent. 95% of the people on the streets are doing the right thing, but the other 5% need to be dealt with. Now if the cops are arresting and harassing the peaceful protesters that is another matter and needs to stop. In Greenville SC people are out on the streets protesting peacefully and as far as I know are not being harassed or arrested. This needs to be the case in the entire country but it is not.
Police in the the hotter cities are not doing a great job discriminating between peaceful protestors and rioter. I'm sure that is on purpose for some of them.
 
Police in the the hotter cities are not doing a great job discriminating between peaceful protestors and rioter. I'm sure that is on purpose for some of them.
This is quite a leap in logic as well as a baseless assumption. When you are under attack in the heat of a riot, you can not be too picky in asking or observing which person is a rioter and which is a protestor. If you assume incorrectly which is which, you are going to get hurt or possibly killed or else villianized for attacking peaceful protestors, an absolute no win position for the Police in these circumstances. Ask yourself this question, if this is a racial issue, why was the police officer shot to death by protestors in Oakland a black federal homeland security officer?
 
Just heard that Antifa can not be designated a terrorist group because they are domestic. Only foreign born groups can be labeled as terrorists. Interesting.
 
My best friends dad is a security guard at the Raleigh performing arts center though last night he worked the convention center which was used as the headquarters for all riot police. He is out there again tonight, may we all take a moment and pray for those brave law enforcement individuals which hold the line between total lawlessness and civilization, a prayer for the many business owners who in these unprecedented pandemic times are on edge and are now closer than ever to the brink their life’s work taken from them, and a prayer to the people who are peacefully working for solutions to this madness through protest or other lawful means.

God Bless America. Her dream only lives if we live through it vicariously and abide , uphold , and protect her sanctity.
 
All the calls to send in the NG and an iron fist make me cringe.

If your wife comes to you saying theres a serious problem with the relationship because you yell too much are you going to

A) reflect on what she is saying and see if there are ways for you to change or

B) Yell at her that she needs to sit back and not complain...

Which results do you think you would get in those 2 scenarios?
I'm sure the wife isn't burning down the house though to make a point.
 
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All the calls to send in the NG and an iron fist make me cringe.

If your wife comes to you saying theres a serious problem with the relationship because you yell too much are you going to

A) reflect on what she is saying and see if there are ways for you to change or

B) Yell at her that she needs to sit back and not complain...

Which results do you think you would get in those 2 scenarios?

Well it depends, if she’s coming to talk to me peacefully then I’ll do scenario A. If she comes at me yelling and with a knife, threatening to burn the house down or trying to hurt me (like the looters and rioters are doing) then I’m going to first use non-lethal means to disarm her and settle the situation down before I can worry about discussing the concerns she has. What the looters and rioters are doing isn’t yelling, they’re like a person coming at you with a knife or weapon to harm you. Dealing with those people requires force. The peaceful people you can talk and reason to just fine, listen to the issue and work on ways to resolve it. The looters you can’t and have to control that situation first using non-lethal force... not to mention the looters aren’t doing this over George Floyd or any other issue; they’re taking advantage of a crisis and chaos to break the law.

Don’t buy into the lie that the riots are about seeing justice and changes made; they’re not. They’re driven by Antifa and criminals looking to loot and take advantage of the crisis.

 
All the calls to send in the NG and an iron fist make me cringe.

If your wife comes to you saying theres a serious problem with the relationship because you yell too much are you going to

A) reflect on what she is saying and see if there are ways for you to change or

B) Yell at her that she needs to sit back and not complain...

Which results do you think you would get in those 2 scenarios?

I think the calls for NG are to handle the violence, not the protesters. Two different groups.
 
I come in peace and good faith. Is there evidence that peaceful protesters have been jailed or treated unfairly by police?

I read a lot on this forum but don’t really post much (especially not on this thread where I know my views are too far left for most here, and I’d rather not get called a socialist, since I’m not, but that’s beside the point). But I’ve been a bit peeved by seeing only clips from looters/violent protestors (who, make no mistake, I am disgusted by and not defending). It’s important to show this other side of the coin, because there have been police responding overly forcefully to peaceful protestors. This supercut shows plenty of examples, and there’s more in the replies:



There’s a BIG caveat to both every clip in this tweet and every clip/screenshot other posters have shared. We see seconds of conflict, but the context leading up to these viral moments has been mostly removed (quite purposefully in most cases). I hope people see the feedback loop between cops and protestors though: violent responses to control protests cause violent protests in response, and vice versa. This is exacerbated by an obsession/engrossment with these heated moments, leading to social and mainstream media covering the smaller number of violent protestors/conflicts far more than the larger number of peaceful protestors.

From these short twitter clips it’s impossible to know the full story, and and the question “who’s fault is it?” seems pointless to me- it’s about as useful as “which came first: the chicken or the egg?” I think it’s more important, when we’re looking back on this moment, to understand the bigger picture in how things were able to escalate so badly at all. I don’t care who acted worse or who started it, violent protests/unrest mean there are problems that need addressing.
 
This is quite a leap in logic as well as a baseless assumption. When you are under attack in the heat of a riot, you can not be too picky in asking or observing which person is a rioter and which is a protestor. If you assume incorrectly which is which, you are going to get hurt or possibly killed or else villianized for attacking peaceful protestors, an absolute no win position for the Police in these circumstances. Ask yourself this question, if this is a racial issue, why was the police officer shot to death by protestors in Oakland a black federal homeland security officer?
Well it's not an assumption, it's a fact. Check out some of the video out there. Not sure how they can mistakes this poor unless they just don't care.
 
I read a lot on this forum but don’t really post much (especially not on this thread where I know my views are too far left for most here, and I’d rather not get called a socialist, since I’m not, but that’s beside the point). But I’ve been a bit peeved by seeing only clips from looters/violent protestors (who, make no mistake, I am disgusted by and not defending). It’s important to show this other side of the coin, because there have been police responding overly forcefully to peaceful protestors. This supercut shows plenty of examples, and there’s more in the replies:



There’s a BIG caveat to both every clip in this tweet and every clip/screenshot other posters have shared. We see seconds of conflict, but the context leading up to these viral moments has been mostly removed (quite purposefully in most cases). I hope people see the feedback loop between cops and protestors though: violent responses to control protests cause violent protests in response, and vice versa. This is exacerbated by an obsession/engrossment with these heated moments, leading to social and mainstream media covering the smaller number of violent protestors/conflicts far more than the larger number of peaceful protestors.

From these short twitter clips it’s impossible to know the full story, and and the question “who’s fault is it?” seems pointless to me- it’s about as useful as “which came first: the chicken or the egg?” I think it’s more important, when we’re looking back on this moment, to understand the bigger picture in how things were able to escalate so badly at all. I don’t care who acted worse or who started it, violent protests/unrest mean there are problems that need addressing.


Good post, the video you link shows just the tip of the iceberg of the excessive use of force seen all across the nation last night. The thing is the officers are the professionals they are trained to deal with this and you can see the loss of control in many of them in that video, they were reacting in anger and that is a dangerous thing given the power their wield.....
 
So I’m watching Bar Rescue via ViacomCBS to escape the news. This is the Sh!! I have to see.?.????.. A silent ad during commercial break. I took this photo of my tv.
NOPE...... Media isn’t trying to control the narrative. Give me a effing break !!! 1590972313954.png
 
So I’m watching Bar Rescue via ViacomCBS to escape the news. This is the Sh!! I have to see.?.????..
NOPE...... Media isn’t trying to control the narrative. Give me a effing break !!! View attachment 42385

What narrative are they controlling? If them posting this bothers you then the issue is with you....no one should have a issue with anything in that statement.
 
So I’m watching Bar Rescue via ViacomCBS to escape the news. This is the Sh!! I have to see.?.????.. A silent ad during commercial break. I took this photo of my tv.
NOPE...... Media isn’t trying to control the narrative. Give me a effing break !!! View attachment 42385
Yep I turned the tv off a few days ago. Hell even sports talk radio is talking about it. I miss the RONA talk already.
 
What narrative are they controlling? If them posting this bothers you then the issue is with you....no one should have a issue with anything in that statement.

The murder of Mr Floyd is ABSOLUTELY heinous. NO Doubt !! ALL LIVES MATTER! Do Not... And I mean Do Not Imply I’m racist !!
 
So was this cop racist or did he just kill a black man so that makes him racist? That’s the question I’ve been trying to find our but can’t find anything as of yet.
 
The murder of Mr Floyd is ABSOLUTELY heinous. NO Doubt !! ALL LIVES MATTER! Do Not... And I mean Do Not Imply I’m racist !!

I didn't imply your racist...…its interesting though that you took my post as a implication that your are racist.....still I don't think your racist you like millions of other white people are just not able to understand what is really going on here or what the term Black Lives Matters really means,....you do not truly understand what and where black people are coming from and why they are at the point they are....

Read this.....educate yourself....

 
But there probably should be. We shouldn't be tolerating that from any law enforcement towards any individuals.
True but you understand the difference. If I white guy kills a black guy it’s always because of race. That’s the part I’m tired of. So the next time a black cop or ave Joe kills a white guy or girl I want to see some protesters. Racism works both ways.
 
True but you understand the difference. If I white guy kills a black guy it’s always because of race. That’s the part I’m tired of. So the next time a black cop or ave Joe kills a white guy or girl I want to see some protesters. Racism works both ways.
Would you protest? Would you support the protestors? Assuming your white, would you expect people of other colors to join you in the protest?
 
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