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LithiaWx said:
15 per hour isn’t even a livable wage. If someone works 40 hours a week they should be able to support themselves. And if you’re wondering I’m financially stable and would likely take a huge tax increase under sanders.
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Various jobs that pay $15 or less an hour were never intended to be career jobs or ones to live off of, that’s the problem. Oftentimes these jobs are extremely low skill jobs and that’s why they pay this rate. Forcing the min wage to rise puts small businesses in a tough place, especially small restaurants. If a person doesn’t like what their paid there is nothing stopping them from working hard to either move up or find a better paying job.
 
$15 is plenty to live off of if you live in rural western NC. I make $15.98 and live comfortably with smart buying. Milk $1.50/gal. If I lived in rural Alaska where milk is over $10.00/gal then I would agree $15/hr sucks.
 
Bham 99 said:
No flipping hamburgers is meant for teenage workers back when adults had more ambition to try everything possible to move up the ladder.
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Yes! This is what socialism does. It tells the 50 year old hamburger flipper its ok to be mediocre. No need to sacrifice to improve yourself. Like i said before, if our grandparents had accepted this line of thinking this country wouldn't have been built
 
snowlover91 said:
If a person doesn’t like what their paid there is nothing stopping them from working hard to either move up or find a better paying job.
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Innocent (and those not) people with a record would disagree. Burger flipping jobs provide much more than teenage jobs. Mc Donald’s is very felony friendly. You can even win a court case and still be stopped from getting many careers.
 
snowlover91 said:
Various jobs that pay $15 or less an hour were never intended to be career jobs or ones to live off of, that’s the problem. Oftentimes these jobs are extremely low skill jobs and that’s why they pay this rate. Forcing the min wage to rise puts small businesses in a tough place, especially small restaurants. If a person doesn’t like what their paid there is nothing stopping them from working hard to either move up or find a better paying job.
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I also think $15 a hr is to much but at the same time the federal min wage has not increased since 2009 and something around $10 a hr is fair. Prices of goods have not gone down over the last decade they have gone up, and a person making min wage now working 8 hrs a day makes a whopping $58 a day. Lots of lower skilled people have to work 2 of these jobs to make ends meet and that leaves little time for self improvement etc. It easy to say there is nothing stopping them from working harder and moving up but where I work we have hundreds of "temps" that pack out our product and its a crap job and many of them are also going to school or working other jobs etc, and most of them are hard workers but they are low educated or have records etc and have trouble finding higher paying work. Adjusting min wage to the cost of living is the way to go and $10 a hr is about where it needs to be IMO,
 
snowlover91 said:
If a person doesn’t like what their paid there is nothing stopping them from working hard to either move up or find a better paying job.
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This has been debunked so many times it's not even valid anymore. Only way to move up is leave and find a new company or know people. So many starter jobs prevent people from making careers despite saying they do by taking an internal person and shuffling them around. Plus the economy hurts the ability to find a better job when its hurting. Now would be a good time but not next time it goes down. I wish hard work meant more money but that's not true. It never was.
 
ForsythSnow said:
This has been debunked so many times it's not even valid anymore. Only way to move up is leave and find a new company or know people. So many starter jobs prevent people from making careers despite saying they do by taking an internal person and shuffling them around. Plus the economy hurts the ability to find a better job when its hurting. Now would be a good time but not next time it goes down. I wish hard work meant more money but that's not true. It never was.
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One of the problems is people don't have their first job till they're 23 24 years old, therefore they have no experience in the workforce. I had my first job at 15.. that doesn't happen anymore
 
LithiaWx said:
A lot. nobody is saying hand out free money. It’s about being able to access affordable healthcare, childcare, and education. I don’t get why some of you go there with the lazy stuff.
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I’m sorry but giving free college to people now is handing out free money especially when everyone 18 and up have paid millions upon millions for the same education .. big slap in the face to all of those hard working people who made it work grew through the experience and continue to try and climb out of the debt .. giving health care to everyone is also giving out free money .. and the same notion applies that everyone has had to work and pay for the health care that they like and giving it away like the democratic socialists have talked about would be damaging the quality of coverage those people are seeing
 
Nick_boynton_ said:
I’m sorry but giving free college to people now is handing out free money especially when everyone 18 and up have paid millions upon millions for the same education .. big slap in the face to all of those hard working people who made it work grew through the experience and continue to try and climb out of the debt .. giving health care to everyone is also giving out free money .. and the same notion applies that everyone has had to work and pay for the health care that they like and giving it away like the democratic socialists have talked about would be damaging the quality of coverage those people are seeing
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That's right when I was a business owner I went without health insurance for five years.. now that was very stupid looking back that I did that but I had no other choice but I made it work.
 
The fact of the matter is there is no such thing as a utopian society it doesn’t exist some people will be let down and some people will hurt at all times and no matter what policies are in place .. the only thing we can do is try to make things more affordable for a larger portion and maybe help out people who haven’t been given the opportunity some have in regards to education and health care due to bad policies put in place in the past ... we need to give relief for a brief period to those who are most effected by the lazy policy’s of the past and then work to get everyone on a similar page in regards to work ethic and how to improve your life from that point on up
 
Bham 99 said:
One of the problems is people don't have their first job till they're 23 24 years old, therefore they have no experience in the workforce. I had my first job at 15.. that doesn't happen anymore
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Those are the people who don't work in college. The phenomena I was referring to I've seen happen to people who worked from 18 or so onward.
 
I didn't work in high school or college (so far). I regret it some, but my dad had gone by the policy of "your job is school".

Of course I'm also in the camp that completed something in college that should have gotten me work, yet I've had what feels like 100 interviews (not that many but it's been a lot), kind of got screwed over in internships before then, and if I can I'm going to just go back in the fall to do an LPN program. Because I have no choice. I think my name is too familiar to people in the area for what I was applying for.

My dad has long had everything paid off and both parents are long retired due to personal reasons, but he's said he can comfortably pay for a lot of necessities on a year with just 30k.
 
Nick_boynton_ said:
I’m sorry but giving free college to people now is handing out free money especially when everyone 18 and up have paid millions upon millions for the same education .. big slap in the face to all of those hard working people who made it work grew through the experience and continue to try and climb out of the debt .. giving health care to everyone is also giving out free money .. and the same notion applies that everyone has had to work and pay for the health care that they like and giving it away like the democratic socialists have talked about would be damaging the quality of coverage those people are seeing
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Now versus then are totally different though....kids have few choices if their parents cant pay their way through......usually it means going into tons of debt. Its not so much about giving away stuff for free its about controlling cost both in education and healthcare.....the prices for both have gotten fricken insanely ridiculous...I love all the older folks talking about paying their own way through college working summer and part time job's back in the 70-80's when a semester at any state school was $500-800 tops .....now that same semester cost 7-10k....

Both the education and healthcare systems need overhauls, I dont know what they are but the current system is broken as hell....

The link below is a prime example of a system that so far works....socialized free education in the bright red state of Tennessee, in a program developed by Republicans no less....turns out giving people a few years of free community college increases your skilled labor base attracting new business creating a gainfully employed tax base and decreases you welfare numbers....so think of it as a investment that returns dividends....read this and tell me why we shouldn't do something like this everywhere.

www.politico.com

The red state that loves free college

How Tennessee is making Bernie Sanders’ favorite education idea a reality.
www.politico.com www.politico.com
 
Downeastnc said:
I also think $15 a hr is to much but at the same time the federal min wage has not increased since 2009 and something around $10 a hr is fair. Prices of goods have not gone down over the last decade they have gone up, and a person making min wage now working 8 hrs a day makes a whopping $58 a day. Lots of lower skilled people have to work 2 of these jobs to make ends meet and that leaves little time for self improvement etc. It easy to say there is nothing stopping them from working harder and moving up but where I work we have hundreds of "temps" that pack out our product and its a crap job and many of them are also going to school or working other jobs etc, and most of them are hard workers but they are low educated or have records etc and have trouble finding higher paying work. Adjusting min wage to the cost of living is the way to go and $10 a hr is about where it needs to be IMO,
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I agree it does need to be raised some, here in NC it’s $7.25 an hour and 9-10 would be a much better base range for pay with inflation over the years. But $15 is too much for a base job that requires low skill, at least here in NC. I can see why in CA people would need a higher min wage with the cost of living out there.
 
ForsythSnow said:
This has been debunked so many times it's not even valid anymore. Only way to move up is leave and find a new company or know people. So many starter jobs prevent people from making careers despite saying they do by taking an internal person and shuffling them around. Plus the economy hurts the ability to find a better job when its hurting. Now would be a good time but not next time it goes down. I wish hard work meant more money but that's not true. It never was.
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I’d have to disagree based on my own experience and what I’ve observed. In high school I worked and started my own lawn care business. In college I worked on campus and at a retail store and worked my way up quickly in that environment. Then later I changed jobs and worked up in that one.

At my retail job I saw people who oftentimes were totally content to be working 40 hours a week, giving it 20% effort to collect a paycheck and never having ambition to move up and they didn’t. I also saw people who had ambition, drive and worked hard to move up. We had one guy come in and go from seasonal to assistant manager in 1 year he was that good and driven. Why? He worked hard and had ambition. Most people don’t have that today and would rather make excuses than to go out and make something happen. It also depends on how a person was raised too from what I’ve noticed.
 
snowlover91 said:
I’d have to disagree based on my own experience and what I’ve observed. In high school I worked and started my own lawn care business. In college I worked on campus and at a retail store and worked my way up quickly in that environment. Then later I changed jobs and worked up in that one.

At my retail job I saw people who oftentimes were totally content to be working 40 hours a week, giving it 20% effort to collect a paycheck and never having ambition to move up and they didn’t. I also saw people who had ambition, drive and worked hard to move up. We had one guy come in and go from seasonal to assistant manager in 1 year he was that good and driven. Why? He worked hard and had ambition. Most people don’t have that today and would rather make excuses than to go out and make something happen. It also depends on how a person was raised too from what I’ve noticed.
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We are all dealt different deck of cards, but we all are uniquely qualified to figure out how to win in our life. We all have pros and cons and our life is what we make of it.
 
snowlover91 said:
I agree it does need to be raised some, here in NC it’s $7.25 an hour and 9-10 would be a much better base range for pay with inflation over the years. But $15 is too much for a base job that requires low skill, at least here in NC. I can see why in CA people would need a higher min wage with the cost of living out there.
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Yeah and look at where $15 an hour has become reality

Automation is taking over fast

reason.com

Minimum Wage Boosts Are Great—For Robots

Making low-skill workers more expensive means getting them replaced by automation.
reason.com reason.com
www.forbes.com

New Study Suggests Minimum Wage Leads To Automation Of Low-Skill Workers

The fight for a $15 minimum wage could hurt the very workers it is intended to help
www.forbes.com www.forbes.com
www.washingtonexaminer.com

Target accidentally proves the case against the $15 minimum wage

In 2017, the retail giant Target made headlines for announcing plans to gradually increase its minimum wage to $15 an hour. Naturally, the company won widespread liberal plaudits for its supposedly pro-worker stance. Years later, though, the wage rise has led to nothing short of a disaster.
www.washingtonexaminer.com www.washingtonexaminer.com
 
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