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Downeastnc said:
Meh Hillary did the same thing last election and we see how that worked out.....the problem Sanders has is the independents and moderates in the middle will not support him....once he gets in the debates it will be a bloodbath most middle class working Americans dont want to hear the poop Sanders is going to be saying. Sanders platform is going to be raising taxes and free stuff, and the GOP will crush him with it.....fact is Sanders plan cost to much and there is no way to pay for it.....he can go after the 1% all he wants but America knows who really pays for this stuff time and time again when it is tried and that is the middle class.
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ok, so you think all of the polls are wrong again? I just don’t buy it. The moderates/independents aren’t going to support trump the way they did in 2016. You’re also not factoring in the #bluenomatterwho contingent and the fact Trump is now a know quantity. lastly Clinton was a pathetic candidate. She didn’t have an energized base. sanders has one hell of a strong base.
 
LithiaWx said:
ok, so you think all of the polls are wrong again? I just don’t buy it. The moderates/independents aren’t going to support trump the way they did in 2016. You’re also not factoring in the #bluenomatterwho contingent and the fact Trump is now a know quantity. lastly Clinton was a pathetic candidate. She didn’t have an energized base. sanders has one hell of a strong base.
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Trump's support among his base is 95%! That is strong. We have record breaking unemployment across the board and that is important to independents and moderate Democrats. His support among blacks will increase and that is bad news for Democrats. Medicare for all and free college isnt going to get it done.......
 
LithiaWx said:
ok, so you think all of the polls are wrong again? I just don’t buy it. The moderates/independents aren’t going to support trump the way they did in 2016. You’re also not factoring in the #bluenomatterwho contingent and the fact Trump is now a know quantity. lastly Clinton was a pathetic candidate. She didn’t have an energized base. sanders has one hell of a strong base.
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I think that if you give the moderates and independents someone like Biden they go for it, I think if you run Sanders then Trump wins the EC again but probably loses the popular vote, it will be closer than 2016....something like this...so places like PA where Sanders is +3 are vulnerable especially when people get a good look at his platform....


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Downeastnc said:
I think that if you give the moderates and independents someone like Biden they go for it, I think if you run Sanders then Trump wins the EC again but probably loses the popular vote, it will be closer than 2016....something like this...so places like PA where Sanders is +3 are vulnerable especially when people get a good look at his platform....


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not a bad map but PA goes to Sanders along with the win. I could also see MI going to Trump but I also see OH going to sanders. But that’s still a sanders win. It’s going to be close.
 
Also if it’s Biden that map is going to be way different. I see Biden destroying Trump. He would take OH, PA, FL. Biden would even put GA in play and make TX close.
 
LithiaWx said:
not a bad map but PA goes to Sanders along with the win. I could also see MI going to Trump but I also see OH going to sanders. But that’s still a sanders win. It’s going to be close.
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I remember during the 2016 primaries, Sanders was supposed to lose MI to Hillary by at least 20+pts, he won by about 3-4pts. Not only that he won WI another state Clinton lost in the general. For someone who's supposedly not electable, he sure was winning a lot of must needed states for a general election. We'll see if he can do the same or better Tuesday night with more of a crowded field.

EDIT: This is some serious haul of small donor fundraiser money.
www.yahoo.com

Sanders raised stout $46.5M in February; Warren got $29M

Bernie Sanders' presidential campaign said Sunday that it raised more than $46.5 million in February, a show of financial strength after the Vermont senator finished a distant second behind Joe Biden in South Carolina's primary. Fellow progressive Elizabeth Warren announced collecting a...
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LithiaWx said:
Also if it’s Biden that map is going to be way different. I see Biden destroying Trump. He would take OH, PA, FL. Biden would even put GA in play and make TX close.
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Lolol....Sanders is a lunatic and Biden doesnt know where he is half the time. You are setting yourself up for a huge disappointment in November but best of luck!
 
LithiaWx said:
not a bad map but PA goes to Sanders along with the win. I could also see MI going to Trump but I also see OH going to sanders. But that’s still a sanders win. It’s going to be close.
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Sanders has a smaller lead in PA, right now Sanders is +3 vs Trump in PA.....so is Biden, they are both around +5 over Trump in MI, the difference is as the campaign goes on Sanders will see his support drop among independents and moderates unless he runs way to the middle which he wont. Sanders is going to have to stand up their in every debate and say how he is going to raise taxes on everyone, and have how impossible it will be to pay for his programs exposed. Class warfare does not work in American the middle class knows who ends up footing the bill for these programs Sanders wants....so like in 2016 the Dems will win the popular vote by probably more this time around 5 million votes or so since turnout will be high but with Sanders I think they lose barely...with Biden they have a chance at winning NC, OH, FL etc with Sanders they dont.
 
Downeastnc said:
Sanders has a smaller lead in PA, right now Sanders is +3 vs Trump in PA.....so is Biden, they are both around +5 over Trump in MI, the difference is as the campaign goes on Sanders will see his support drop among independents and moderates unless he runs way to the middle which he wont. Sanders is going to have to stand up their in every debate and say how he is going to raise taxes on everyone, and have how impossible it will be to pay for his programs exposed. Class warfare does not work in American the middle class knows who ends up footing the bill for these programs Sanders wants....so like in 2016 the Dems will win the popular vote by probably more this time around 5 million votes or so since turnout will be high but with Sanders I think they lose barely...with Biden they have a chance at winning NC, OH, FL etc with Sanders they dont.
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You just wrote an entire paragraph on how Sanders will lose support among moderates and independents who will reject his policies and you think the Democrats will win the popular vote by even more? That dont make a lot of sense.....
 
Sandbar said:
You just wrote an entire paragraph on how Sanders will lose support among moderates and independents who will reject his policies and you think the Democrats will win the popular vote by even more? That dont make a lot of sense.....
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Why the Dems are going to turnout huge.....but those extra votes in states they already won wont matter to the EC....basically those extra hundred's of thousand's votes in places like CA, NY, and New England etc wont help win the election but will push the popular vote higher....not sure why that does not make sense.
 
Downeastnc said:
Why the Dems are going to turnout huge.....but those extra votes in states they already won wont matter to the EC....basically those extra hundred's of thousand's votes in places like CA, NY, and New England etc wont help win the election but will push the popular vote higher....not sure why that does not make sense.
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To vote for who? The man with dementia or the socialists bum who has accomplished little to nothing in his life? You must have very little faith in the intelligence of your fellow citizens. Ill admit i dont either when it comes to politics and voting, I just cant see millions of people flocking to the polls to vote for any of the Democrat hopefuls. You are gonna fail on this prediction just like you did on that impeachment hammer falling.
 
LithiaWx said:
Also if it’s Biden that map is going to be way different. I see Biden destroying Trump. He would take OH, PA, FL. Biden would even put GA in play and make TX close.
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I'm kind of surprised you're not for Biden over Sanders. I know you used to be pretty conservative and I thought you were still pretty moderate. Weren't you for Biden earlier?

Edit: Based on my following him over the last 30+ years, I've for a long time had a good feeling about Biden as being a potential semi-unifier that I feel would help the US (kind of similar to how I feel about Kasich) and something Trump will never be able to do. I do have some concern that he's past his prime and I'm somewhat concerned about the Hunter Biden/Ukraine deal. But I still have good thoughts about Biden.
 
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So........ Trump declared National Emergency January 31st. One month after reports in from China. First reports of COVID 19 reported in late December. Few if any American cases and zero deaths at the time.

www.npr.org

Trump Declares Coronavirus A Public Health Emergency And Restricts Travel From China

The declaration allows the government to take special measures to contain the spread of the virus. Those include new restrictions on travel from China.
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By contrast Obama declared National Emergency late October 2009. SIX MONTHS after first reports of H1N1.
by then...
- "Since the H1N1 flu pandemic began in April, millions of people in the United States have been infected, at least 20,000 have been hospitalized and more than 1,000 have died, said Dr. Thomas Frieden, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention".

Full Article:


Obama declares H1N1 emergency - CNN.com

President Obama has declared a national emergency to deal with the "rapid increase in illness" from the H1N1 influenza virus.
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GaWx said:
I'm kind of surprised you're not for Biden over Sanders. I know you used to be pretty conservative and I thought you were still pretty moderate. Weren't you for Biden earlier?
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yes sir. I left the Republican Party in 2011 when the tea party took over and pushed the party to the right.
I was for Biden and still think he is ok. But I want things to be blown apart. The establishment on the right and left both disgust me. Love him or hate him Bernie will blow it all up. We need a reset.
 
Downeastnc said:
Sanders has a smaller lead in PA, right now Sanders is +3 vs Trump in PA.....so is Biden, they are both around +5 over Trump in MI, the difference is as the campaign goes on Sanders will see his support drop among independents and moderates unless he runs way to the middle which he wont. Sanders is going to have to stand up their in every debate and say how he is going to raise taxes on everyone, and have how impossible it will be to pay for his programs exposed. Class warfare does not work in American the middle class knows who ends up footing the bill for these programs Sanders wants....so like in 2016 the Dems will win the popular vote by probably more this time around 5 million votes or so since turnout will be high but with Sanders I think they lose barely...with Biden they have a chance at winning NC, OH, FL etc with Sanders they dont.
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legalization of marijuana and also sanders has a more right opinion on guns compared to the rest of the dem field. Also healthcare is a disaster don’t underestimate how many people are ok with a complete overhaul.
 
Downeastnc said:
I think that if you give the moderates and independents someone like Biden they go for it, I think if you run Sanders then Trump wins the EC again but probably loses the popular vote, it will be closer than 2016....something like this...so places like PA where Sanders is +3 are vulnerable especially when people get a good look at his platform....


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VA may go red thanks to their gov trying to mess with the guns.
Bloomberg will lose because of his gun rhetoric and of course he will want to ban any soft drink over 32oz?
 
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