Cad Wedge NC
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Uh, mine is the truth.... yours is a hypothetical unrealistic scenario.
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Interesting. I wonder if people were perfect if socialism would work? I think it would still be far too clunky and inefficient. Perfect people, I think, would see a free market approach with loads and loads of generosity applied to help the less fortunate.
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I think he needs a mild sedative. Maybe it's time to pop a top on a cold brewskie? Oh wait, he's probably not old enough to have a beer.
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Why are you shooting the Grateful Dead guy?
pcbjr
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I'm just commenting that this is getting a bit heated ... Jerry is bullet-proof ... LOL
Shaggy
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Yeah models showing 2 million deaths always seemed overblown to me. Early on I was thinking 75k to 100k as best case and we may not see that if these social distancing measures continue to work.
We are also catching some breaks finally as well. Thankfully so many cases are asymptomatic. If even a small percentage of those were needing hospitalization the story would be diferent.
Cad Wedge NC
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Jim Jones..... "go ahead and drink the Kool-aid"....... Guys, this is a slippery slope. You would be giving up all your freedoms and surrendering all to the government. No more freedom of religion or right to bear arms. I will never agree to anything like that. Shame on y'all.
Is it though? Are you a doctor? Did you go to med school? Not trying to toss insults, but it's not unrealistic. It could very well still happen. If you are only receiving your information from a man (Trump) who basically said it was like the flu and that it was a hoax fabricated by the Dems, then I would highly recommend finding a new source anything that has to do with science.
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Where is the 98-99% In streets begging for drugs to save them? That’s right there are millions of people looking for jobs trying to get money to buy food instead of drugs
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Jim Jones let a cult to a mass suicide... I fail to understand your point. Your president wants to reopen ASAP to save his precious stock market, but most importantly his re-election chances. The thing that bothers me is, that if Obama, who I voted for TWICE, pulled the same crap. Well, I'd drop him like a damn boulder. Republicans want to keep throwing the "right to bear arms" or religion into the mix and it hasn't even come to fruition. No one has taken away your guns or your right to practice your religious beliefs. No one's going to take that away from you, despite your conspiracy theories. Warren isn't running either is Bernie, so you all can stop with that rhetoric.
Cad Wedge NC
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Why do you think the stock market belongs to Trump? Do you not understand simple economics? This market belongs to everyone... you're probably too young to care about a 401K. or an IRA. We are depending on these for retirement. So, yes, let's get this thing opened up and back on the right track again. You can stay home if you want.
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We need to keep our freedoms on those things. A liberal would try and remove them. Economies mean money. No economies means no
Money. No money means chaos and deaths.
I care about people living than I do the damn economy. We recovered from the Great Depression and the Recession of 2009 and came out stronger than ever, Go ask a deceased individual who tragically died from Covid, if they recovered? The answer is no. And just because I am young, doesn't mean I don't understand, at the least, basic economics. I am staying home to save lives. That's all. I have no political agenda when it comes to that.,,
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Well not driving, smoking, drinking definitely saves lives. ??
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Recovery from coronavirus may not confer immunity, warn experts
"Being immunised means that you have developed an immune response against a virus such that you can repulse it," explained Eric Vivier, a professor of immunology in the public hospital system in Marseilles. In reality, the new coronavirus has thrown up one surprise after another, to the point...
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They Filed for Unemployment Last Month. They Haven’t Seen a Dime. (Published 2020)
Crashing websites, disconnected calls and problems with state-issued debit cards are common for the 1.2 million New Yorkers seeking relief.
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Cad Wedge NC
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We recovered by putting folks back to work. Read your history. America has to be employed for this government to work. It really is not too difficult to understand. If everyone stays home..... how will we survive? The government will be broke in a couple of months, banks will run out of money. Elderly folks will not get any SS benefits, ordinary people will not be able to get simple medications that they need routinely . You are not seeing the larger picture. It's not just about a few people, it's about everyone in this nation.
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And WW2
GeorgiaGirl
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It's way more than fair to put in question the economy vs staying locked down for a long time to avoid a major health crisis. The problem is you have to find a balance. Definitely fair to question where the balance is going to be, but it's not out of the question.
Take New York as an example, they likely will be forced to go that far, but they might need to stay locked down until late July-August. As it is, already, some NYC small businesses may already be bankrupt without the possibility of returning. Deaths are a bad thing, but this is also a bad thing as well.
Now I'm not saying to just open up, but we need to work towards doing it sooner rather than much later. If we stay locked down, you're going to see tons of small businesses bankrupt, domestic violence cases increase, and a hoist of other issues. Figuring out that balance is admittedly going to be very difficult. I'm not sure where it is.
Take New York as an example, they likely will be forced to go that far, but they might need to stay locked down until late July-August. As it is, already, some NYC small businesses may already be bankrupt without the possibility of returning. Deaths are a bad thing, but this is also a bad thing as well.
Now I'm not saying to just open up, but we need to work towards doing it sooner rather than much later. If we stay locked down, you're going to see tons of small businesses bankrupt, domestic violence cases increase, and a hoist of other issues. Figuring out that balance is admittedly going to be very difficult. I'm not sure where it is.
pcbjr
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I truly hope it doesn't come to this, because if it does, it will take at least 5 years to make the adjustment, but more satellite work, at home work, offices being open 24 hours rather than 8, factories doing likewise, may become the new normal (social and worker spacing given existing facility space) ... and if it happens, there could ultimately be net gains as restaurants, gas stations, small businesses possibly see a steady stream of 24 hour income, less peak rate utility bills, all coupled with less crime after dark ... just a thought ... lemonade from a lemon ... ?
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I agree with you. Be ready though. You are crossing over to the mentally insane and morbid obsession with death group. As I have had some online doctors here in this forum diagnosed me. It’s like a scale. Tip either way is not pretty.
Lol, gotta open up slowly and let it rip. Shutdown isn’t being followed by most anyways and it’s not being enforced. We are all going to be infected eventually. Just need to watch if it begins to overload the healthcare system dial it back a bit.
Downeastnc
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Well Trump isnt his boss first and foremost.....governors do not work for the President.....
Why is it not wise for Cuomo to complain or attack back at Trump......What can/could Trump do about it? Maybe withhold some vitally needed aid that would sure teach that mean ole Cuomo who is boss, of course that would be at the expense of American citizens the president has sworn to protect.....I mean Trump is petty enough to do just that, withhold vitally needed things just to spite Cuomo then blame him and gas light his followers to blame Cuomo, Trump is the king of blame shifting he has been working overtime on it the last week or so.
Shaggy
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Several months back I asked where the line was with what people deemed acceptable behavior. Heres some more unethical law skirting BS that not one single trump supporter would be ok with if it was a democrat. When are conservatives going to regrow their nuts?
www.yahoo.com
Trump Campaign Secretly Paying $180,000 A Year To His Sons’ Significant Others
Lara Trump and Kimberly Guilfoyle are each receiving $15,000 per month through the campaign manager’s private company, GOP sources said, to dodge FEC rules.
Steven_1974
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Guess you missed the bigger problems FL has been having with their unemployment system.Well He promised But I’m sure it’s not his fault. This is in the great governor state of NY!!! ???. He was too busy trying to get his 40,000 ventilators and the ship! Yeah we need him to lead the US??They Filed for Unemployment Last Month. They Haven’t Seen a Dime. (Published 2020)
Crashing websites, disconnected calls and problems with state-issued debit cards are common for the 1.2 million New Yorkers seeking relief.www.nytimes.com
NCSNOW
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How anyone could vote democrat in light of what the house led by Pelosi is currently doing holding small business hostage is beyond me. So many want this crisis to continue to escalate and wreck lives,economy just so they can win an election in November and institute their socialist agenda.
meh, Trump is a spender. He’s actually pretty close to a pres with socialist views already.
LetItSnow
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You should ask the 400k+ Americans who died in WW2 if it was worth it to recover from the Great Depression; or the millions upon millions who died in the world. That's how the world actually recovered from the Great Depression and the price paid was unholy.
2009 had nothing to do with shutting down the entire country much less the world and it's no comparison to what's happened and happening now.
I only hope and pray as we begin to open up there is a strong recovery; not sure folks truly understand the magnitude of the probable damage to the economy. It's done so no use looking back and the b.s. of if we didn't do it millions would've died is sheer speculation; we don't know and will probably never know. What we do know is actions were taken and the consequences of those actions remain to be seen.
Hopefully we can learn some serious lessons from this so when the next boogey man comes we'll be better prepared and not let complete FUD cause us to lock down.. That will take the entire nation working together and I have serious doubt that will ever happen given the current climate.
NCSNOW
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Aid to 22 million resteraunt,hair salon,entertainment etc unemployed due solely to govt shutdown is called aid, not socialism. Nice try. He and WH corono team have done a spectecular job along with our fellow countrymen. Need to lend a hand to the 1000s of small business and not turn your back on them just to gain some fantisized political advantage. In a fox hole as a country and on 3 seperate occasions the leader of the Dem party has spit in the face of the American citizens.
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Job losses from coronavirus are already devastating Southern California
Coronavirus unemployment hits a broad swath of industries across California.
www.latimes.com
ghost1
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To include him in a group that is doing a "spectecular" is laughable. This sums up how he handles crisis spot on...
it’s still socialism Lite. Giving helicopter money to every American. Seems pretty much like freebies.
he’s a spender. The virus is just an excuse to spend and put us farther into debt. Already talking round 3 and 4. Monthly payments to all citizens. Big infrastructure spending. Color it any way you want he’s likes to spend bigly.
Downeastnc
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Several months back I asked where the line was with what people deemed acceptable behavior. Heres some more unethical law skirting BS that not one single trump supporter would be ok with if it was a democrat. When are conservatives going to regrow their nuts?
Trump Campaign Secretly Paying $180,000 A Year To His Sons’ Significant Others
Lara Trump and Kimberly Guilfoyle are each receiving $15,000 per month through the campaign manager’s private company, GOP sources said, to dodge FEC rules.
Gotta love this little tidbit lol....sure is a lot of untraceable money.....
"FEC rules require that campaigns, political parties and other committees disclose all expenditures, including payments to employees. But the Trump campaign and the RNC have been getting around it by routing many of their payments through Pascale’s private companies.
In all, Parscale’s firms ― Giles-Parscale and Parscale Strategy LLC ― have been paid $38.9 million by Trump’s campaign, the RNC, joint fundraising committees and a pro-Trump super PAC between the day Trump took office through February 2020, according to the latest filings available."
Wonder how our local cultists will try to defend dear leader's inciting of insurrection in several states.
LOL. Let's see how may of these "stories" thrown out by the likes of Yahoo news we can throw out there. SMDH !!
Trump Campaign Secretly Paying $180,000 A Year To His Sons’ Significant Others
Lara Trump and Kimberly Guilfoyle are each receiving $15,000 per month through the campaign manager’s private company, GOP sources said, to dodge FEC rules.
"are each receiving $15,000 a month, according to two GOP sources who are informal White House advisers and who spoke on condition of anonymity."
Shaggy
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LOL. Let's see how may of these "stories" thrown out by the likes of Yahoo news we can throw out there. SMDH !!
Trump Campaign Secretly Paying $180,000 A Year To His Sons’ Significant Others
Lara Trump and Kimberly Guilfoyle are each receiving $15,000 per month through the campaign manager’s private company, GOP sources said, to dodge FEC rules.
"are each receiving $15,000 a month, according to two GOP sources who are informal White House advisers and who spoke on condition of anonymity."
So they quoted the Parscale guy. Is that a lie too?
Trumpers will support anything now. He has sold them his dear leader spiel and they bought it up.
Downeastnc
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LOL. Let's see how may of these "stories" thrown out by the likes of Yahoo news we can throw out there. SMDH !!
Trump Campaign Secretly Paying $180,000 A Year To His Sons’ Significant Others
Lara Trump and Kimberly Guilfoyle are each receiving $15,000 per month through the campaign manager’s private company, GOP sources said, to dodge FEC rules.
"are each receiving $15,000 a month, according to two GOP sources who are informal White House advisers and who spoke on condition of anonymity."
So your saying that the story is not true?
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Spitting criminals are NYPD’s new scourge amid coronavirus pandemic
The coronavirus has given criminals a new deadly weapon: saliva. Spit-slinging sickos are declaring they are infected with COVID-19 and spraying their targets with sneezes, coughs or sputum. “-----…
nypost.com
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Anti-anxiety medication prescriptions have spiked 34% during the coronavirus pandemic
Americans are also filling more prescriptions for antidepressants and anti-insomnia drugs
www.marketwatch.com
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