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[eyewall]

The GOP is going to face real trouble in FL in November. Their unemployment system is a ---- show and it was gutted by the Republicans before the crisis. They are now paying the price:

Just 4% of 850,000 jobless claims filed since mid-March have gotten through Florida’s faltering unemployment system

TALLAHASSEE – Gov. Ron DeSantis said Thursday his administration has only processed a tiny sliver of unemployment claims spurred by the coronavirus crisis, with the state facing a backlog abo…

www.sun-sentinel.com

TALLAHASSEE – Gov. Ron DeSantis said Thursday his administration has only processed a tiny sliver of unemployment claims spurred by the coronavirus crisis, with the state facing a backlog about 850,000 applications.

Since mid-March, when much of the economy began to shut down in response to the pandemic, the state has pushed through 33,623 new claims, or about 4 percent of those still pending.

“While we’ve made some progress in the recent days it’s not nearly enough," DeSantis said at a news conference. “We have an unprecedented amount of claims, and we’ve got to work through them.”

DeSantis’ remarks came after the Orlando Sentinel and other media outlets had been asking for weeks for data related to the unemployment system. Hundreds of thousands of newly laid-off workers have been encountering system crashes, busy call lines, frustrating approval wait times and wrongly denied claims since the crisis began.


DeSantis may get the "Mussolini treatment" if this keeps up.

 

[Steven_1974]

The GOP is going to face real trouble in FL in November. Their unemployment system is a poop show and it was gutted by the Republicans before the crisis. They are now paying the price:

Just 4% of 850,000 jobless claims filed since mid-March have gotten through Florida’s faltering unemployment system

TALLAHASSEE – Gov. Ron DeSantis said Thursday his administration has only processed a tiny sliver of unemployment claims spurred by the coronavirus crisis, with the state facing a backlog abo…

www.sun-sentinel.com

TALLAHASSEE – Gov. Ron DeSantis said Thursday his administration has only processed a tiny sliver of unemployment claims spurred by the coronavirus crisis, with the state facing a backlog about 850,000 applications.

Since mid-March, when much of the economy began to shut down in response to the pandemic, the state has pushed through 33,623 new claims, or about 4 percent of those still pending.

“While we’ve made some progress in the recent days it’s not nearly enough," DeSantis said at a news conference. “We have an unprecedented amount of claims, and we’ve got to work through them.”

DeSantis’ remarks came after the Orlando Sentinel and other media outlets had been asking for weeks for data related to the unemployment system. Hundreds of thousands of newly laid-off workers have been encountering system crashes, busy call lines, frustrating approval wait times and wrongly denied claims since the crisis began.


DeSantis may get the "Mussolini treatment" if this keeps up.

Yep, this is the kind of thing you can expect to get when the GOP runs the show.

 

[weatherfide]

Are you forgetting we already are crippled since Grady had that water leak and hospitals were stressed to start? Kemp would be an idiot to reopen this soon. Also if you want to complain about the shelter in place, know that without it, it would be far worse.

How do we know it would have been far worse? It may have been the same, corona infections were going to happen anyway. How many were we able to save since the lock-down? how many were likely going to die anyway? Georgia has averaged 22 deaths per day since 3/19/2020. The state averages 165 per day without corona. Many of the 22 would have been counted in the "normal" 165 number. Is it all worth the economic destruction and the collateral damage to mental and physical health that will likely follow? I don't want to hear people say it would have been "far worse" without evidence. I've yet to see convincing evidence to shut down everything. Why not let the individuals decide how they want to proceed with life?

The government should have declared martial law instead of unconstitutionally "closing business" and enacting "stay-at-home" orders. I believe, if we emerge with any economy left after this insanity subsides, there will be many, many lawsuits due to these restrictions. The local governments are going to fall first.

 

[weatherfide]

Yep, this is the kind of thing you can expect to get when the GOP runs the show.

In what freak show of an imagination does anyone plan on 870,000 people in Florida being thrust into unemployment lines because the "government" says they can't go to work???? You're reasoning skills are very poor if you think any political faction is to blame for slow processing of unemployment benefits.

 

[Cad Wedge NC]

Capitalism is a system built on exploitation and cruelty. It is amazing to see how many are blind to this fact. This crisis casts a bright light on that without question. I definitely don't want a return to the old normal. Trump already failed in this crisis by downplaying it for too long and now he wants to re-open? There will most certainly be a major spike in cases and deaths. If you want to sacrifice yourself on the altar of capitalism go ahead, the ruling classes need you to do so. Count me out!

Chill out just a bit. The elderly folks in this country, whom we are trying to defend, need us to go back to work so they can continue to get their SS checks every month. If we don't get back to work, then they will be in far worse shape than they are now.

 

[ForsythSnow]

The government should have declared martial law instead of unconstitutionally "closing business" and enacting "stay-at-home" orders. I believe, if we emerge with any economy left after this insanity subsides, there will be many, many lawsuits due to these restrictions. The local governments are going to fall first.

Actually the moment they declare martial law would mean more unrest than you think keeping us closed a few weeks longer would do. Also it's not unconstitutional when an emergency declaration is in place. Also if you think about it, There's not that many businesses that are non-essential that are closed. Our economy is working but strained. We can go a few more weeks shut down but it's the ignorant like you who want us to reopen immediately and don't care about anybody else's safety and health that are going to prolong our shutdown.

 

[weatherfide]

Capitalism is a system built on exploitation and cruelty. It is amazing to see how many are blind to this fact. This crisis casts a bright light on that without question. I definitely don't want a return to the old normal. Trump already failed in this crisis by downplaying it for too long and now he wants to re-open? There will most certainly be a major spike in cases and deaths. If you want to sacrifice yourself on the altar of capitalism go ahead, the ruling classes need you to do so. Count me out!

I count you as a Bolshevik communist, and thanks for revealing your true intentions. Your kind are responsible for over 100 million of the murders in the past 100 years. Capitalism provides for the most liberty and happiness for all. There is no other system that works as efficiently to distribute limited resources, and at the same time, supports personal freedom.

 

[weatherfide]

Actually the moment they declare martial law would mean more unrest than you think keeping us closed a few weeks longer would do. Also it's not unconstitutional when an emergency declaration is in place. Also if you think about it, There's not that many businesses that are non-essential that are closed. Our economy is working but strained. We can go a few more weeks shut down but it's the ignorant like you who want us to reopen immediately and don't care about anybody else's safety and health that are going to prolong our shutdown.

All of what you wrote is false. I do care about peoples safety and health and don't want to see people suffer. You're just not seeing the deleterious affects of the shut-down and how much more it will inflict pain, suffering and death to people.

 

[ForsythSnow]

All of what you wrote is false. I do care about peoples safety and health and don't want to see people suffer. You're just not seeing the deleterious affects of the shut-down and how much more it will inflict pain, suffering and death to people.

Then what is wrong with staying shut down a few more weeks and opening up according to the guidelines? It's a process you think is too slow apparently.

 

[weatherfide]

Then what is wrong with staying shut down a few more weeks and opening up according to the guidelines? It's a process you think is too slow apparently.

I think it's unnecessary and too slow. People have been exposed and have much more immunity than we know (you'll soon see the sample testing reveal this). The most vulnerable can choose how they want to live and the rest of us can go back to work so we can help support them.

 

[Deleted member 527]

Jails and prisons spring thousands to prevent coronavirus outbreaks

WASHINGTON — Terry Smith, a 65-year-old Vietnam veteran with PTSD, multiple health issues and a history of homelessness, spent nearly three years in San Francisco County Jail awaiting trial on

www.bakersfield.com

Yeah this is going to end well.

 

[Deleted member 527]

The Shutdown Backlash Is Coming Soon—With a Vengeance

It’s possible to support the stay-at-home order and still deeply resent it.

www.politico.com

 

[eyewall]

Cuomo eviscerated Trump in his update:

 

[eyewall]

I count you as a Bolshevik communist, and thanks for revealing your true intentions. Your kind are responsible for over 100 million of the murders in the past 100 years. Capitalism provides for the most liberty and happiness for all. There is no other system that works as efficiently to distribute limited resources, and at the same time, supports personal freedom.

Well you would be wrong on "counting me as a bolshevik". What the Soviets enacted was anything but what Marx had wanted if you read up on it anyway. As for liberty under Capitalism, that is laughable. As for distribution of limited resources, why do 2153 billionaires own more wealth than half the world's population? That is a pretty ------ distribution if you ask me. As for death, plenty have died as a result of Capitalism. Even with COVID-19, the response was delayed in the name of trying to preserve the market. That cost thousands of lives. That isn't to mention our wars which ultimately are tied to the Military-industrial Complex.

 

[Deleted member 527]

Capitalism is a system built on exploitation and cruelty. It is amazing to see how many are blind to this fact. This crisis casts a bright light on that without question. I definitely don't want a return to the old normal. Trump already failed in this crisis by downplaying it for too long and now he wants to re-open? There will most certainly be a major spike in cases and deaths. If you want to sacrifice yourself on the altar of capitalism go ahead, the ruling classes need you to do so. Count me out!

I can assure you. If you want America to become a socialist nation? There will be a civil war here before that happens. I do hope that is not what you are wanting.

 

[Deleted member 527]

Nebraska Outdoor Outlet Mall Plans To Reopen Before State's Coronavirus Cases Peak

Despite a steady increase in coronavirus cases in Nebraska, owners of a major outdoor outlet mall near Omaha is planning to become one of the first malls across the country to fully re-open.

detroit.cbslocal.com

They have no choice. Either go bankrupt and close for good or try and survive.
JC Penny is also announcing they will most likely bankrupt and close for good.

 

[weatherfide]

Well you would be wrong on "counting me as a bolshevik". What the Soviets enacted was anything but what Marx had wanted if you read up on it anyway. As for liberty under Capitalism, that is laughable. As for distribution of limited resources, why do 2153 billionaires own more wealth than half the world's population? That is a pretty ------ distribution if you ask me. As for death, plenty have died as a result of Capitalism. Even with COVID-19, the response was delayed in the name of trying to preserve the market. That cost thousands of lives. That isn't to mention our wars which ultimately are tied to the Military-industrial Complex.

How many times has Marxism failed? Every. Single. Time! It will never work. It goes against the natural order of humanity. Capitalism has raised the world from the dark ages, socialist/communist ideology will send it back. And I will never agree to live under Marxism of any kind!

 

[weatherfide]

Nebraska Outdoor Outlet Mall Plans To Reopen Before State's Coronavirus Cases Peak

Despite a steady increase in coronavirus cases in Nebraska, owners of a major outdoor outlet mall near Omaha is planning to become one of the first malls across the country to fully re-open.

detroit.cbslocal.com

They have no choice. Either go bankrupt and close for good or try and survive.
JC Penny is also announcing they will most likely bankrupt and close for good.

JC Penney already had two feat in their grave, though. Their debt load was enormous. But, yeah, chalk it up to another Covid-19 death. That's the name of the game now, anyway.

 

[weatherfide]

Nebraska Outdoor Outlet Mall Plans To Reopen Before State's Coronavirus Cases Peak

Despite a steady increase in coronavirus cases in Nebraska, owners of a major outdoor outlet mall near Omaha is planning to become one of the first malls across the country to fully re-open.

detroit.cbslocal.com

They have no choice. Either go bankrupt and close for good or try and survive.
JC Penny is also announcing they will most likely bankrupt and close for good.
[/QUOT
I'd love to see more businesses do this everywhere! I'll support them!

 

[Deleted member 527]

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott says schools to remain closed for rest of academic year but eases some coronavirus restrictions

AUSTIN — Gov. Greg Abbott lifted some restrictions he put on Texans during the coronavirus pandemic but said Friday that public schools should remain closed...

www.dallasnews.com

I have friends that live down there plus my company is based out of there. They said it is great restaurants are open though they’re limiting the number of people that can go in

 

[Deleted member 527]

Beaches in Florida will start reopening THIS EVENING

Jacksonville beaches reopened at 5pm on Friday under limited hours and use restrictions, even as Florida recorded its highest single-day increase in confirmed coronavirus cases.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[ryan1234]

Capitalism is a system built on exploitation and cruelty. It is amazing to see how many are blind to this fact. This crisis casts a bright light on that without question. I definitely don't want a return to the old normal. Trump already failed in this crisis by downplaying it for too long and now he wants to re-open? There will most certainly be a major spike in cases and deaths. If you want to sacrifice yourself on the altar of capitalism go ahead, the ruling classes need you to do so. Count me out!

Very well said! I don't see how people constantly fail to realize that Capitalism has failed more than accommodated us. This proves that. Anyone that would sacrifice human lives for the sake of the most elite is failing to realize that these politicians and corporations don't care about you. Never have, never will. They care about what's in their pockets and how they can continue to get richer while the rest of us have to literally jump over backward to get assistance when we need it.

 

[Bham 99]

Very well said! I don't see how people constantly fail to realize that Capitalism has failed more than accommodated us. This proves that. Anyone that would sacrifice human lives for the sake of the most elite is failing to realize that these politicians and corporations don't care about you. Never have, never will. They care about what's in their pockets and how they can continue to get richer while the rest of us have to literally jump over backward to get assistance when we need it.

Ok Venezuela.

 

[ryan1234]

Ok Venezuela.

Right, because that's exactly what I said. See, that's the issue with people like you and others. You let your imagination run wild for whatever reason and convince yourselves that I want America to be like Venezuela. Come on man, it's okay to disagree with me, but don't put words in my mouth.

 

[Sandbar]

Very well said! I don't see how people constantly fail to realize that Capitalism has failed more than accommodated us. This proves that. Anyone that would sacrifice human lives for the sake of the most elite is failing to realize that these politicians and corporations don't care about you. Never have, never will. They care about what's in their pockets and how they can continue to get richer while the rest of us have to literally jump over backward to get assistance when we need it.

You should focus on what causes the rich to prosper instead of bitching about jumping backwards to get "assistance". Buy a Dave Ramsey book. Problem solved!

 

[Bham 99]

Right, because that's exactly what I said. See, that's the issue with people like you and others. You let your imagination run wild for whatever reason and convince yourselves that I want America to be like Venezuela. Come on man, it's okay to disagree with me, but put words in my mouth.

I don't have to put words in your mouth your words speak very loudly and speak of naivety.

 

[ryan1234]

I don't have to put words in your mouth your words speak very loud and speak of naivety.

No, they don't, because you're arguing with me. And basically insulting me... so go live in your own little bubble. Go out to bars, parties, go to the mall, and heck start attending rallies and such. But don't you dare come near any of my loved ones, including myself.

 

[Bham 99]

No, they don't, because you're arguing with me. And basically insulting me... so go live in your own little bubble. Go out to bars, parties, go to the mall, and heck start attending rallies and such. But don't you dare come near any of my loved ones, including myself.

Lol lol lol lol lol hahaha. We are talking economics not corona.

 

[ryan1234]

Lol lol lol lol lol hahaha. We are talking economics not corona.

Pretty sure that most of this thread stemmed from Covid-19. And economics plays a significant part in all this bickering between opposing sides. You all want everything to reopen as I said, be my guess. But you better damn well stay away from the older population and those who are at high risk from severe complications. Don't let your ego cloud your overall judgment. And I don't want to hear a peep from all you, #reopenblahblahblah people when we see a second spike. Because it will happen if we fail to listen to the CDC, WHO, immunologists, etc. You want to listen to the ramblings of a president who has no experience in healthcare, be my guest!

 

[Bham 99]

Pretty sure that most of this thread stemmed from Covid-19. And economics plays a significant part in all this bickering between opposing sides. You all want everything to reopen as I said, be my guess. But you better damn well stay away from the older population and those who are at high risk from severe complications. Don't let your ego cloud your overall judgment. And I don't want to hear a peep from all you, #reopenblahblahblah people when we see a second spike. Because it will happen if we fail to listen to the CDC, WHO, immunologists, etc. You want to listen to the ramblings of a president who has no experience in healthcare, be my guest!

Bless your heart.

 

[ryan1234]

Bless your heart.

Eww. Hate that expression. Might as well hurl insults at me...

 

[Sandbar]

Bless your heart.

Dude needs a big ole bear hug to calm those nerves down!

 

[Shaggy]

Trump should sit down with his thumb in his mouth after Cuomo destroyed him this afternoon.

Do i need to send him a bouquet of flowers hahahahaaha lolololololollol

Trumps a moron.

 

[Cad Wedge NC]

Pretty sure that most of this thread stemmed from Covid-19. And economics plays a significant part in all this bickering between opposing sides. You all want everything to reopen as I said, be my guess. But you better damn well stay away from the older population and those who are at high risk from severe complications. Don't let your ego cloud your overall judgment. And I don't want to hear a peep from all you, #reopenblahblahblah people when we see a second spike. Because it will happen if we fail to listen to the CDC, WHO, immunologists, etc. You want to listen to the ramblings of a president who has no experience in healthcare, be my guest!

I will say this one more time..... We have to get back to work to support the elderly! Otherwise the government will go bankrupt and they will be homeless. What part of this do you not understand?

 

[Cad Wedge NC]

Trump should sit down with his thumb in his mouth after Cuomo destroyed him this afternoon.

Do i need to send him a bouquet of flowers hahahahaaha lolololololollol

Trumps a moron.

Laugh now.... but just wait to see who get the last laugh. It is not wise for a governor who's state is in the shape that his is, to be insulting the boss.

 

[ryan1234]

I will say this one more time..... We have to get back to work to support the elderly! Otherwise the government will go bankrupt and they will be homeless. What part of this do you not understand?

Yes! Great idea! Let's all go back to work on Monday. Wait 2 weeks, and watch Covid spread like the wildfires in California. Once 2 million + American's are dead, most of them seniors... we will all be in the streets begging for lifesaving drugs, while the rich continue to prosper because they have access to those drugs. What part don't you understand?

 

[GaWx]

Trump should sit down with his thumb in his mouth after Cuomo destroyed him this afternoon.

Do i need to send him a bouquet of flowers hahahahaaha lolololololollol

Trumps a moron.

I don't know about him being a moron, but I do know he rambles a lot, is wishy washy, and is very divisive. Cuomo is a much better leader. I wish he were running instead of Biden as he appears to pretty much be a pragmatic moderate in general.

Meanwhile, a recent Gallup poll has Trump's overall approval in handling the virus down 5%:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-approval-rating-slides-poll-coronavirus

 

[Shaggy]

Laugh now.... but just wait to see who get the last laugh. It is not wise for a governor who's state is in the shape that his is, to be insulting the boss.

What's he got to lose? If yall are ok with trump withholding what NY needs and that causes people to die then this country is lost and not because of anti-trumpers.

 

[Deleted member 527]

Ok Venezuela.

Cuba and many more. Funny they attack the business owners which I agree they make a lot but they do build an economy. So do these that want socialism want to work like people do in China? Sweat shops? Also the governments in socialist nations still are filthy rich. In a perfect world socialism would work but sorry this world will never be perfect. Why do so many people try to come to America from socialist nations? I’m sure those socialist nations would love to have you live there.

 

[weatherfide]

Pretty sure that most of this thread stemmed from Covid-19. And economics plays a significant part in all this bickering between opposing sides. You all want everything to reopen as I said, be my guess. But you better damn well stay away from the older population and those who are at high risk from severe complications. Don't let your ego cloud your overall judgment. And I don't want to hear a peep from all you, #reopenblahblahblah people when we see a second spike. Because it will happen if we fail to listen to the CDC, WHO, immunologists, etc. You want to listen to the ramblings of a president who has no experience in healthcare, be my guest!

I can see what Gawx discussed earlier. There are two very opposite views in the U.S. right now and there is absolutely no way to bridge the gap in ideology. There must be a reckoning, a struggle, conflict or "war" to reconcile the differences. We cannot remain a peaceful union with a Marxist/entitlement population and a capitalist/merit based one. One side must prevail. A house divided cannot stand. The best, least costly way is to divide up the land (Something along the lines of West vs East), like the Korean Peninsula. The United Socialist Federation of States out west and the United States of America in the east. Some big cities in the east will have to have large populations relocated, but the west is pretty much already "there"!