Political Thread

[snowlover91]

He purposely did that with mainly black and Hispanic people for photo ops and to trap the other side by essentially saying “see, I love black and Hispanic people, too”. All a show.

So honoring those people like he did and telling heartwarming stories about them is divisive? Sorry but I don't see it, whether you consider his motivation just for a photo op or not, the reality is he honored those Americans and embraced the spirit of what it is to be one. Also, if you're going to criticize Trump for snubbing Pelosi you should equally, if not more so, be criticizing her. Why? Jonathan Turley who writes very fair and balanced views on political issues had this to say.

"That is why I was (and remain) so offended by this display. I believe that President Trump himself is worthy of criticism for not shaking the hand of Pelosi. I also did not approve of aspects of his speech, including bestowing the Medal of Freedom on Rush Limbaugh in the gallery like a reality show surprise scene. There was much to object to in the address, but presidents often make comments that enrage or irritate speakers.

However, none of that excuses Pelosi. At that moment, she represents the House as an institution — both Republicans and Democrats. Instead, she decided to become little more than a partisan troll from an elevated position. The protests of the Democratic members also reached a new low for the House. Pelosi did not gavel out the protest. She seemed to join it.

It was the tradition of the House that a speaker must remain in stone-faced neutrality no matter what comes off that podium. The tradition ended last night with one of the more shameful and inglorious moments of the House in its history.

For those of us who truly love the House as an institution, it was one of the lowest moments to unfold on the floor. That is why I argue in the Hill that, if Pelosi does not apologize and agree to honor the principle of neutrality and civility at the State of the Union, she should resign as speaker." Source

 

[weatherfide]

He purposely did that with mainly black and Hispanic people for photo ops and to trap the other side by essentially saying “see, I love black and Hispanic people, too, so don’t criticize me.” All a TV show.

It's always and ever will be a "TV" show. As long as there is TV or media. That's politics. Honest people don't get very far in politics.

 

[GaWx]

Like we effing had a choice???? Hilary or Trump? Obama or McCain? Obama or, who was that Mormon guy again? Bush or Gore? Nobody worth a damn since Reagan.

Nobody has even approached Reagan imo. Trump is no Reagan. Reagan had class and was a great leader of our country. In doing so, he wasn’t nasty to the other side. He strongly disagreed with them and let us know why. But he didn’t act like he hated them and that they were an enemy. Trump treats folks like N Korea’s Kim much better than he treats American folks who disagree with him. Reagan didn’t do things like that. He was actually friends with Speaker O’Neill as I recall.

 

[mydoortotheworld]

Nobody has even approached Reagan imo. Trump is no Reagan. Reagan had class and was a great leader of our country. In doing so, he wasn’t nasty to the other side. He strongly disagreed with them and let us know why. But he didn’t act like he hated them and that they were an enemy. Trump treats folks like N Korea’s Kim much better than he treats American folks who disagree with him. Reagan didn’t do things like that. He was actually friends with Speaker O’Neill as I recall.

Reagan is what Trump sees when he looks at himself in the mirror.

 

[Metwannabe]

Highly partisan. So, I didn’t like it even though his delivery was smooth. Not a state of the union but state of the Red Nation. All Trump cares about is his base and being a nasty and divisive bully. I thought and still think Obama was really bad with regard to divisiveness (I never even considered voting for him), but I find Trump to be as bad, if not worse despite my agreeing with most of his policies and not agreeing with much of Obama’s policies. Trump thrives on being divisive because he’s such a jackass. He loves pissing off the other side as if they’re an enemy of the US. Strongly disagreeing with the other side is in itself normal for a politician/ok with me and giving reasons for that is fine, too, but his absolute hatred for the other side is uncalled for in someone who is supposed to be a leader of the country. He has no class.

Pot meet kettle (not specifically directed at you but mostly the so called tolerant left)

Washington (CNN)Hours after she was sworn in to Congress, Michigan Democratic Rep. Rashida Tlaib used an expletive Thursday in pushing for impeaching President Donald Trump.
Speaking to a crowd at an event sponsored by the progressive group MoveOn, Tlaib recalled the moment she won her election in November.
"And when your son looks at you and says, 'Mama look, you won. Bullies don't win,' and I said, 'Baby, they don't,' because we're gonna go in there and we're going to impeach the motherf****r," Tlaib said Thursday

Today, Chairwoman of the House Financial Services Committee Maxine Waters took her calls for President Trump’s removal one step forward by calling for the president’s imprisonment and placement in “solitary confinement.”

Surprising as it may be, this is not new. Take a look at what she’s been saying for 2+ years:

CNN (April 2017): “Rep. Waters leads impeach Trump chant”

RealClearPolitics (November 2017): “Maxine Waters Starts “Impeach 45” Chant At ‘Glamour Women Of The Year Awards’”

Fox News (July 2018): “Maxine Waters brushes off alleged threats, vows to ‘Impeach 45’”

Washington Free Beacon (April 2019): “Waters: The American people will force Pelosi, Democrats to impeach Trump”

Washington Examiner (April 2019): “Maxine Waters: You better believe I’m still going to try to impeach Trump”

The Hill (May 2019): “Maxine Waters: Trump ‘has done everything that one could even think of to be eligible for impeachment’”

Fox News (July 2019): “Maxine Waters launches latest attack on Trump, suggests he should be put in prison”

Essence (September 2019): “Rep. Maxine Waters, the first to call for impeachment, discusses Trump and impeachment process”

Bottom Line: Maxine Waters has been on this train from day one. For her, it’s not about the facts. It’s about her hatred of this President and obsession with removing him from office, regardless of the truth.

Meh way too many to find and post here but it goes back to celebs wishing they could blow up the WH, GOP congressional members being shot at on a softball field, antisemitism from some in the Dem party, the attacks on Trump administration or supporters in public places, the vitriolic hatred for Trump and his supporters is very real. It is never denounced by the Democrats and often times encouraged.

 

[GaWx]

Reagan is what Trump sees when he looks at himself in the mirror.

Then Trump is as blind as a bat.

 

[Metwannabe]

Nobody has even approached Reagan imo. Trump is no Reagan. Reagan had class and was a great leader of our country. In doing so, he wasn’t nasty to the other side. He strongly disagreed with them and let us know why. But he didn’t act like he hated them and that they were an enemy. Trump treats folks like N Korea’s Kim much better than he treats American folks who disagree with him. Reagan didn’t do things like that. He was actually friends with Speaker O’Neill as I recall.

You know I totally agree Trump is no Reagan and Reagan is my all time favorite POTUS, no questions. But to keep comparing those times with today's Democratic Party is apples to oranges imho.... we have no way of knowing, but I'd be curious as to how well Reagan would be received today by this radical left democratic party. My guess is not very well at all

 

[GaWx]

@snowlover91 and @metwannabe Pelosi looked bad, too, in tearing up the speech. I’m not defending that. And yes he didn’t shake Pence’s hand, either. But I still think it was a snub. It is a tradition to shake both their hands as I recall. Not shaking Pelosi’s hand was a plan to rile up his base by being a bully.

Edit: Unfortunately, @snowlover91 you’re too young to have experienced Reagan in real time. Even seeing him on numerous videotape clips is not the same thing.

 

[Heelyes]

You know I totally agree Trump is no Reagan and Reagan is my all time favorite POTUS, no questions. But to keep comparing those times with today's Democratic Party is apples to oranges imho.... we have no way of knowing, but I'd be curious as to how well Reagan would be received today by this radical left democratic party. My guess is not very well at all

I don't think Reagan would be a republican today. He is to close to the center to have a party to run in today's politics. I think most Dems and republican would welcome Reagan with open arms over Trump given the choice. Of course most Dems voted for Reagan back then and probably would now if he was a option

 

[GaWx]

Pot meet kettle (not specifically directed at you but mostly the so called tolerant left)

Washington (CNN)Hours after she was sworn in to Congress, Michigan Democratic Rep. Rashida Tlaib used an expletive Thursday in pushing for impeaching President Donald Trump.
Speaking to a crowd at an event sponsored by the progressive group MoveOn, Tlaib recalled the moment she won her election in November.
"And when your son looks at you and says, 'Mama look, you won. Bullies don't win,' and I said, 'Baby, they don't,' because we're gonna go in there and we're going to impeach the motherf****r," Tlaib said Thursday

Today, Chairwoman of the House Financial Services Committee Maxine Waters took her calls for President Trump’s removal one step forward by calling for the president’s imprisonment and placement in “solitary confinement.”

Surprising as it may be, this is not new. Take a look at what she’s been saying for 2+ years:

CNN (April 2017): “Rep. Waters leads impeach Trump chant”

RealClearPolitics (November 2017): “Maxine Waters Starts “Impeach 45” Chant At ‘Glamour Women Of The Year Awards’”

Fox News (July 2018): “Maxine Waters brushes off alleged threats, vows to ‘Impeach 45’”

Washington Free Beacon (April 2019): “Waters: The American people will force Pelosi, Democrats to impeach Trump”

Washington Examiner (April 2019): “Maxine Waters: You better believe I’m still going to try to impeach Trump”

The Hill (May 2019): “Maxine Waters: Trump ‘has done everything that one could even think of to be eligible for impeachment’”

Fox News (July 2019): “Maxine Waters launches latest attack on Trump, suggests he should be put in prison”

Essence (September 2019): “Rep. Maxine Waters, the first to call for impeachment, discusses Trump and impeachment process”

Bottom Line: Maxine Waters has been on this train from day one. For her, it’s not about the facts. It’s about her hatred of this President and obsession with removing him from office, regardless of the truth.

Meh way too many to find and post here but it goes back to celebs wishing they could blow up the WH, GOP congressional members being shot at on a softball field, antisemitism from some in the Dem party, the attacks on Trump administration or supporters in public places, the vitriolic hatred for Trump and his supporters is very real. It is never denounced by the Democrats and often times encouraged.

The Dem party pretty much sucks imo. Maxine Waters has been one of the worst for decades. And Tlaib/OCO are as bad.

 

[Metwannabe]

@snowlover91 and @metwannabe Pelosi looked bad, too, in tearing up the speech. I’m not defending that. And yes he didn’t shake Pence’s hand, either. But I still think it was a snub. It is a tradition to shake both their hands as I recall. Not shaking Pelosi’s hand was a plan to rile up his base by being a bully.

Edit: Unfortunately, @snowlover91 you’re too young to have experienced Reagan in real time. Even seeing him on numerous videotape clips is not the same thing.

She started it.... did to. Lol

Protocol, as decades of past SOTU addresses show, is for the House Speaker to announce the president by noting that it is their “high privilege and distinct honor” to do so:

“Members of Congress, I have the high privilege and distinct honor of presenting to you the President of the United States.”

Instead, Pelosi merely announced President Trump: “Members of Congress, the President of the United States.”

As recently as 2015, during then-President Barack Obama’s SOTU address, then-House Speaker John Boehner announced Mr. Obama: “Members of congress, I have the high privilege and the distinct honor to present to you, the President of the United States.”

 

[snowlover91]

@snowlover91 and @metwannabe Pelosi looked bad, too, in tearing up the speech. I’m not defending that. And yes he didn’t shake Pence’s hand, either. But I still think it was a snub. It is a tradition to shake both their hands as I recall. Not shaking Pelosi’s hand was a plan to rile up his base by being a bully.

I just want people to be consistent, if they're going to rip Trump and call him names (which IMO isn't right no matter how much you don't like a specific leader) it's only fair to respond to Pelosi the same way. Trump didn't shake her hand but she could have been the "adult" by staying neutral when he spoke and not ripping up his speech. Her actions were IMO worse, not because I like Trump but because of the duration and how visible her actions were. I didn't even notice live that he didn't shake her hand but did see that upon watching replays afterwards. However what I did notice and any American watching were the constant reactions by Pelosi in the background to various statements he made. Whether you agree with them or not, as speaker of the House the longstanding tradition is to appear neutral no matter what is said by the president. She broke that decorum and then ripped up the speech, taking things to another level. Even the CBS News anchors were absolutely shocked when she did that.

 

[Metwannabe]

I don't think Reagan would be a republican today. He is to close to the center to have a party to run in today's politics. I think most Dems and republican would welcome Reagan with open arms over Trump given the choice. Of course most Dems voted for Reagan back then and probably would now if he was a option

Today's Democratic party would not accept Reagan unless he changed his position on abortion. I mean a Pro-life Democrat ask Mayor Pete the other night if there was a place in the Dem Party for her and others like her and he basically told her, no. Reagan was also a strong defender of the Christian Faith, which doesn't seem to sit well with this party either.

Not to mention they wouldn't accept his Peace through Strength strategy either, no way he'd be a member of this Democratic Party. Remember he left that party because of the direction it was headed. Remember he often said, "I didn't leave the Democratic Party. The party left me."

 

[Heelyes]

Today's Democratic party would not accept Reagan unless he changed his position on abortion. I mean a Pro-life Democrat ask Mayor Pete the other night if there was a place in the Dem Party for her and others like her and he basically told her, no. Reagan was also a strong defender of the Christian Faith, which doesn't seem to sit well with this party either.

Not to mention they wouldn't accept his Peace through Strength strategy either, no way he'd be a member of this Democratic Party. Remember he left that party because of the direction it was headed. Remember he often said, "I didn't leave the Democratic Party. The party left me."

Never said he would be a Dem but Dems would vote for him

 

[GaWx]

@snowlover91 and @metwannabe didn't the non handshake come BEFORE Pelosi announced Trump the wrong way? I thought that was the case. If so, Trump did start it. Remember that Trump was announced twice as per tradition.

 

[Metwannabe]

@snowlover91 and @metwannabe didn't the non handshake come BEFORE Pelosi announced Trump the wrong way? I thought that was the case. If so, Trump did start it. Remember that Trump was announced twice as per tradition.

I think you may be right, I didn't even watch the first portion of the speech but let's go back to the last SOTU with her infamous disrespectful golf clap and he still shook her hand (then). So she started it.... Lol

 

[snowlover91]

@snowlover91 and @metwannabe didn't the non handshake come BEFORE Pelosi announced Trump the wrong way? I thought that was the case. If so, Trump did start it. Remember that Trump was announced twice as per tradition.

So Trump didn't shake Pence or Pelosi's hand and then she announced him but left out the traditional words. If she wanted to "get even" with him she could have left it at that. But she didn't. She expressed strong bias against many of the comments he made AND ripped up his speech afterwards. Look at it this way, Trump did one thing wrong that he broke tradition on and she broke it in 3 different ways. Her response was not proportional and I would argue here that as speaker of the House she has to show class and leadership, even if Trump doesn't. As my parents often taught me it takes 2 to argue, one person can always choose to be the peacemaker or they can resort to arguing/protest. Pelosi had an opportunity to be the "better person" in that regard by being a peacemaker and respecting multiple longstanding traditions. Instead she breaks multiple traditions in one night and as Turley so eloquently put it "The tradition ended last night with one of the more shameful and inglorious moments of the House in its history. For those of us who truly love the House as an institution, it was one of the lowest moments to unfold on the floor."

 

[Metwannabe]

Never said he would be a Dem but Dems would vote for him

I gotcha, I went back and read your post, sounds like you don't think he would be in either party.... I misread.

 

[GaWx]

So Trump didn't shake Pence or Pelosi's hand and then she announced him but left out the traditional words. If she wanted to "get even" with him she could have left it at that. But she didn't. She expressed strong bias against many of the comments he made AND ripped up his speech afterwards. Look at it this way, Trump did one thing wrong that he broke tradition on and she broke it in 3 different ways. Her response was not proportional and I would argue here that as speaker of the House she has to show class and leadership, even if Trump doesn't. As my parents often taught me it takes 2 to argue, one person can always choose to be the peacemaker or they can resort to arguing/protest. Pelosi had an opportunity to be the "better person" in that regard by being a peacemaker and respecting multiple longstanding traditions. Instead she breaks multiple traditions in one night and as Turley so eloquently put it "The tradition ended last night with one of the more shameful and inglorious moments of the House in its history. For those of us who truly love the House as an institution, it was one of the lowest moments to unfold on the floor."

Trump and Pelosi were both low imo. That’s my opinion and I’m sticking to it.

 

[snowlover91]

And here's my other issue. No matter what political side of the isle you fall on, how can you sit on your tail and act disgusted/angry as a democrat when Trump talks about the various people who have been benefiting from the strong economy, including women, African Americans, the disabled, etc.? How can you be "mad and disgusted" and not even clap and celebrate AMERICANS who are doing well, despite your political views? That to me was absolutely disgusting and sickening.