Shaggy
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Not sure the whistleblower needs to be called. Everything he said has been verified and Bolton can corroborate anything claimed in the complaint.
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Not sure the whistleblower needs to be called. Everything he said has been verified and Bolton can corroborate anything claimed in the complaint.
snowlover91
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The whistleblower should 100% be called. If we are going to hear from Bolton we need to hear from the whistleblower too since that’s where this whole thing started. Throw Schiff in too for his supposed contact with the whistleblower... or no contact... whichever story he wants to go with. Might as well throw the Biden’s in too since they are involved with what Trump wanted investigated.
Shaggy
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Actually the WB didnt start this. Trump did. The bidens have zero relevancy in this case. It does not matter if they are guilty of everything trump says. What trump has done is wrong and as I've stated early
You dont get to hold your neighbors kids for ransom just to prove to the cops they robbed a bank.
snowlover91
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The whistleblower did start it by reporting a concern he/she had. That person should definitely testify and they should prove it to see if there is any political bias as some have theorized or if the info was hearsay or first hand direct knowledge. Since Biden is running for president I think it’s pretty important that we hear from him too since he was part of what Trump wanted investigated due to corruption concerns... or a separate investigation into him is launched. You know since he’s running for president, you should hold him to the same high standards you hold Trump so we don’t get a guy who is might be guilty of corruption up there in 2020...
Downeastnc
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The WB complaint was found to be valid I fail to see what exposing this person accomplishes, especially given the death threats they have received etc.....even if there was political bias it does not matter, neither does whether or not it was heresy or secondhand knowledge....that is why the IG reviewed the complaint first and found it to be credible. Everything in the complaint has been corroborated and keep in mind the WB was fed the information from numerous sources several of which have already testified etc. If what Bolton says is true then the WB is a patriot that did a service to his/her country by exposing illegal and unethical behavior....
Trump and the GOP has had years to investigate Biden over any possible Ukrainian corruption, heck the first 2 years they had control of Congress/DOJ etc kinda funny there was never any call or push for a investigation then huh. There is no real evidence that Biden did anything even worth investigating and the Ukraine government has said as much. Everything is crumbling down around Trump, and we have not even got into the good stuff surrounding Rudy and Parnas etc in the Ukraine, its going to get ugly.
snowlover91
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If you’re going to do a thorough investigation then interview the WB, Bolton and any other relevant parties. Btw most of the evidence is hearsay, 3rd party accounts, etc. What Bolton supposedly said in the “bombshell” was actually a typical NYT exaggeration/bias that even the author has been backing down from. As always it’s based on anonymous 3rd party sources. Here’s a good analysis of it and some of the weird circumstances too
ZeroHedge
ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero
www.zerohedge.com
As mentioned earlier this is the democrat attempt to Kavanaugh the process. As support to call witnesses was waning suddenly, at a key moment, we have this revelation from Bolton. Read this article if you want a good explanation of what’s going on.
Democrats 'Kavanaughing' Impeachment Trial As Predicted – John Bolton Leak Came as House Case Was Collapsing
We have seen this show before, it's all designed to pressure a small number of weak Republican Senators to allow Democrats to turn the Senate into a circus in which the process becomes the punishment.
legalinsurrection.com
I’ll summarize with this.
snowlover91
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And it’s interesting to note several democrats are considering an acquittal of Trump on at least one of the charges.
www.politico.com
Trio of Dem senators considering vote to acquit Trump
A handful of moderate Democrats could deliver Trump a bipartisan vote.
www.politico.com
Downeastnc
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If you’re going to do a thorough investigation then interview the WB, Bolton and any other relevant parties. Btw most of the evidence is hearsay, 3rd party accounts, etc. What Bolton supposedly said in the “bombshell” was actually a typical NYT exaggeration/bias that even the author has been backing down from. As always it’s based on anonymous 3rd party sources. Here’s a good analysis of it and some of the weird circumstances too
ZeroHedge
ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero
As mentioned earlier this is the democrat attempt to Kavanaugh the process. As support to call witnesses was waning suddenly, at a key moment, we have this revelation from Bolton. Read this article if you want a good explanation of what’s going on.
Democrats 'Kavanaughing' Impeachment Trial As Predicted – John Bolton Leak Came as House Case Was Collapsing
We have seen this show before, it's all designed to pressure a small number of weak Republican Senators to allow Democrats to turn the Senate into a circus in which the process becomes the punishment.
I’ll summarize with this.
Well what can I tell you I will stick with believing the source itself....Bolton's lawyer confirmed it to be accurate, not to mention that all Bolton has to do is release a statement saying that the NYT story is mischaracterizing his manuscript etc and he has not done that, in fact they did the opposite.....why do you reckon that is. Below is a link to back this all up....
Bolton's manuscript leaks as memoir pre-orders begin on Amazon; Trump fires back
Former national security advisor John Bolton's team was under fire from the White House and conservative commentators Sunday night, after a report in The New York Times revealed a bombshell excerpt from Bolton's forthcoming book that could prove pivotal in President Trump's impeachment trial --...
www.foxnews.com
Additionally, Bolton's representatives made clear he was not denying the Times' claim concerning the Ukraine aid holdup and the possible investigation of the Bidens.
snowlover91
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Well what can I tell you I will stick with believing the source itself....Bolton's lawyer confirmed it to be accurate, not to mention that all Bolton has to do is release a statement saying that the NYT story is mischaracterizing his manuscript etc and he has not done that, in fact they did the opposite.....why do you reckon that is. Below is a link to back this all up....
Bolton's manuscript leaks as memoir pre-orders begin on Amazon; Trump fires back
Former national security advisor John Bolton's team was under fire from the White House and conservative commentators Sunday night, after a report in The New York Times revealed a bombshell excerpt from Bolton's forthcoming book that could prove pivotal in President Trump's impeachment trial --...
Additionally, Bolton's representatives made clear he was not denying the Times' claim concerning the Ukraine aid holdup and the possible investigation of the Bidens.
They neither denied or confirmed the claims, many of which are made in the original NYT article. There is also no official statement from that Fox News article, just that his rep said they weren’t denying some of the claims. It would also make sense that he wants controversy since his book pre-order sales went live shortly after the news broke... and an easy way to do that is to leak something then come out and get all the hype from the frenzy. Without seeing the manuscript or having Bolton officially testify it’s all hearsay and “anonymous sources” who are summarizing what they claim they’ve seen. You do realize as well people are prone to “twist” a “summary” to fit an agenda or even simply fail to accurately phrase/remember something, right? And then that can be further mischaracterized by the news media...
“I mean it really, people need to read that New York times article. There isn’t a single quote in there from the book. It’s what certain people who say they’ve seen the book, how they characterize it, and then the New York times characterizes it. It’s not even third-hand hearsay because nobody told the New York Times a quote from the book, so it’s, and this is now dominating it. This comes out at a critical juncture just like it did for Kavanaugh. This is the Democrat playbook on how to oppose Trump. Use the media to your advantage to roll things out and disrupt what’s going on.”
Downeastnc
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Or maybe just maybe Bolton does say exactly what the NYT article says he says.....and maybe Trump is just lying through his teeth about all this. Sometimes stuff is exactly as it appears.....
If the NYT article mischaracterized Bolton's manuscript then Bolton's team would say as much when asked.....they certainly wouldn't go so far as to make it clear that they were NOT denying the claims made by the NYT.....then again maybe your right and the NYT is lying about what Bolton's book says and Bolton is just not clarifying it to sell book copies....but I doubt it.
I hate our media and the state of fear they create. The headline states "Death toll soars" or "death toll mounts" concerning the coronavirus and when you click on the article the toll has increased by 20. I know the epidemic could become serious, but the desire to incite panic is ridiculous.
Downeastnc
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Just checking in to let everyone know I have not died from the Coronavirsus……...yet
Isn't it amazing to watch this all unfold. Now the evidence and proofs can be activated legally for the whole world to see. Dems falling right in and some repubs too. Unbelievable. Nothing is going to stop the exposure of the corrupt deep state. We are all awake and discussing this..No one that is woke will fall back asleep and pretend we don't know what we already know. Either side actually. Pop the corn.
Remember how the dossier was handled? Same circular motion with Yahoo. Leak fake story to media, media puts out story. Refer to story as basis of truth to confirm eqauls FISA warrants... Holy Crap at the corruption. They didn't expect Hillary to lose... People should be so upset about the dossier and FISA. Everyone.
The whole Bolton thing is a nothing burger for the house and a win for the senate. If they want to bring on the witnesses then bring them on. I can't believe some people get all excited about things before they look, think and calculate. It is the dems mistakes over and over and this mistake is going to be the prelude for the big show. Trump, Admiral Rogers and other military, Durham, Huber are steps ahead with evidence and proofs in place. Drain the sewer.
Sandbar
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By all means put Bolton on the stand. He isn't going to say anything earth shattering here, he got fired by Trump and just wrote a book. Let Jay Sekulow and company have at him. The end result is still the same only he gets made to look like an ass......a scorned man who got booted and wrote a tell-all book to get back at the man who fired him. Just another in a long list
Flurry
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LOL....OK...We trust that everything was verified by the Dems
snowlover91
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It's an assumption a person makes when saying the reason he didn't deny it is because it's true. What we do know for sure is that the NYT article is HIGHLY questionable since their sources are people who are summarizing what they claim they've seen. There are no actual quotes from the manuscript and it's an article based ENTIRELY on speculation, assumptions, anonymous sources, and political bias because they want to sway public opinion on the matter rather than publish accurate, verified information. The news media has pulled this same type of stuff before with leaking the dossier, the Kavanaugh investigation, etc. so if we are going to make assumptions here it's entirely logical to also assume this is another example of the news media leaking things that have not been properly vetted. It would be an entirely different story if they had published exact quotes from the book so we could see precisely what Bolton was saying and then for Bolton to confirm or deny if those quotes actually came from the book... He's also under a NDA so legally he may not be able to confirm/deny certain aspects of news media reports concerning the alleged content of his upcoming book.
Shaggy
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Well the WB did in fact offer to answer only the Republicans questions in writing under oath. Something trump wouldnt even do during the Mueller probe.
The Republicans REFUSED so they lost their chance as far as I'm concerned.
If written answers was good enough for trump it's good enough for the WB.
Some days you just don't feel like debating, it is what it is.... Politicians going to do what they want and you know what? I'm not going to shout at the sky or stock up on poster board & sharpies, no celebration in the streets, no march, no protest, not even mad, in fact, I'll sleep peacefully just like a baby. And In the morning I'll get up, thank the good Lord for another day, kiss my wife, get ready for work, make money, pay the bills and move on because life goes on, what little time of it we have. Win, lose or draw enjoy life!
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Where is Bolton??
Cant he find someone with a microphone that will let him speak?
Line em all up. BOLTON,WHISTLEBLOWER,SCHIFF,BIDEN DUO. Dont run scared , if you really want the truth,the whole truth, why what when how ,genesis of this whole narrative. Which is what it is, a narrative by the left.
The Democrats have had,called 17 witness"s in the house. You no how many the Republicans called. 0. House mgr's could have called a 100+. Now mysteriously they want the senate to do their job. Lol.
Again, where is Bolton today? ? Im gonna laugh so hard when this boomerrangs right back on the left, just like it has everytime before.
Cant he find someone with a microphone that will let him speak?
Line em all up. BOLTON,WHISTLEBLOWER,SCHIFF,BIDEN DUO. Dont run scared , if you really want the truth,the whole truth, why what when how ,genesis of this whole narrative. Which is what it is, a narrative by the left.
The Democrats have had,called 17 witness"s in the house. You no how many the Republicans called. 0. House mgr's could have called a 100+. Now mysteriously they want the senate to do their job. Lol.
Again, where is Bolton today? ? Im gonna laugh so hard when this boomerrangs right back on the left, just like it has everytime before.
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