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[Sandbar]

Add to that the GOP senators demanding the WH give them a copy of Bolton's manuscript...maybe some spine growing is occurring after all, a lot of them for whatever reason obviously believed Trump when he said he was innocent or they knew but thought Trump admin was going to keep it suppressed, either way chances seem very high we get to see Bolton and probably some others like Mulvaney etc under oath on the stand so either way this is great news......we need the GOP senators to wake up and realize this is their one chance to right the ship....I imagine Trump is no fun to be around right now as it all crumbles down around him.....

GOP senator says Senate should get copy of Bolton manuscript

Sen. James Lankford (R-Okla.) is calling for the White House to hand over a copy of former national security adviser John Bolton’s forthcoming memoir.“I am encouraging the White House, a…

thehill.com

These GOP senators are going to Kavanaugh this. Allow him to speak and be done with it. If they vote to remove Trump their days in DC are over. They arent stupid. There are far more "extremist" like myself than pissed off Trump haters like yourself that vote.

 

[Shaggy]

These GOP senators are going to Kavanaugh this. Allow him to speak and be done with it. If they vote to remove Trump their days in DC are over. They arent stupid. There are far more "extremist" like myself than pissed off Trump haters like yourself that vote.

Not according to the 2016 popular vote or the 2018 blue wave.

 

[Downeastnc]

These GOP senators are going to Kavanaugh this. Allow him to speak and be done with it. If they vote to remove Trump their days in DC are over. They arent stupid. There are far more "extremist" like myself than pissed off Trump haters like yourself that vote.

Not even close, at best 30% of the GOP voting block are far righters....the rest held their nose when they voted for Trump.....though they probably will do it again in 2020. However those voters would also vote for someone other than Trump or someone not from the far right wing of the party....

Trump lost the popular vote by like 8 million votes, independents who he desperately needs are leaving him in droves and now a majority of independents support removing Trump.....I think you over estimate the power and size of the far right voting block....they failed to show up big time in the mid terms in 2018 allowing the Dems to take back the House in a big way.….things are not nearly as rosey as you would like to think. Heck 10-15% of Trump's own party wants him removed....

 

[Cad Wedge NC]

Not even close, at best 30% of the GOP voting block are far righters....the rest held their nose when they voted for Trump.....though they probably will do it again in 2020. However those voters would also vote for someone other than Trump or someone not from the far right wing of the party....

Trump lost the popular vote by like 8 million votes, independents who he desperately needs are leaving him in droves and now a majority of independents support removing Trump.....I think you over estimate the power and size of the far right voting block....they failed to show up big time in the mid terms in 2018 allowing the Dems to take back the House in a big way.….things are not nearly as rosey as you would like to think. Heck 10-15% of Trump's own party wants him removed....

I did not see 10-15% of the GOP in the house vote against him and I don't believe the GOP senators will either. However, I did see some Dems vote to keep him in office. I don't know what led you to believe that his base is dwindling.

 

[snowlover91]

Not even close, at best 30% of the GOP voting block are far righters....the rest held their nose when they voted for Trump.....though they probably will do it again in 2020. However those voters would also vote for someone other than Trump or someone not from the far right wing of the party....

Trump lost the popular vote by like 8 million votes, independents who he desperately needs are leaving him in droves and now a majority of independents support removing Trump.....I think you over estimate the power and size of the far right voting block....they failed to show up big time in the mid terms in 2018 allowing the Dems to take back the House in a big way.….things are not nearly as rosey as you would like to think. Heck 10-15% of Trump's own party wants him removed....

Lol 8 million votes? Where did you get that number from? He lost by 2.9 million, from CNN “The Democrat outpaced President-elect Donald Trump by almost 2.9 million votes, with 65,844,954 (48.2%) to his 62,979,879 (46.1%), according to revised and certified final election results from all 50 states and the District of Columbia.”

 

[Shaggy]

Nadler now calling for Kelly to testify after he commented that he believes Bolton over trump.

 

[Metwannabe]

This popular vote thing annoys me and is like the ensemble mean being skewed by a couple of members showing a blizzard. NY and CA alone help throw the popular vote out of whack.

 

[Heelyes]

I did not see 10-15% of the GOP in the house vote against him and I don't believe the GOP senators will either. However, I did see some Dems vote to keep him in office. I don't know what led you to believe that his base is dwindling.

If he loses any support in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania or Michigan the rest of his base is not a factor. The election will be decided in these states not in any of the south. The only way the south is a factor is if Florida or Texas flip and then it doesn't matter what happens in the other swing States.

 

[Shaggy]

This popular vote thing annoys me and is like the ensemble mean being skewed by a couple of members showing a blizzard. NY and CA alone help throw the popular vote out of whack.

Yup thankfully the EC was put in place.

Really this is the problem with the government being so heavily weighted towards a federal system. Those high density areas shouldnt decide law for rural areas and vice versa.

Let states pass laws and then have the scotus weigh in when needed.

 

[Metwannabe]

Yup thankfully the EC was put in place.

Really this is the problem with the government being so heavily weighted towards a federal system. Those high density areas shouldnt decide law for rural areas and vice versa.

Let states pass laws and then have the scotus weigh in when needed.

Ok brace yourself, you sitting down?




I agree with you! But yes I'm all for states rights and less federal Gov't intrusion in our lives

 

[Downeastnc]

Lol 8 million votes? Where did you get that number from? He lost by 2.9 million, from CNN “The Democrat outpaced President-elect Donald Trump by almost 2.9 million votes, with 65,844,954 (48.2%) to his 62,979,879 (46.1%), according to revised and certified final election results from all 50 states and the District of Columbia.”

I included the 3rd party votes etc, I guess I should have said 8 million more Americans voted for someone other than Trump than voted for Trump....actually I just did the math and people other than Trump got 9,939,258 more votes than the total number of people that voted for Trump....so rounding up that means that 63 million wanted Trump and 73 million wanted someone other than Trump.....

 

[Downeastnc]

I did not see 10-15% of the GOP in the house vote against him and I don't believe the GOP senators will either. However, I did see some Dems vote to keep him in office. I don't know what led you to believe that his base is dwindling.

I mean in general 10-15% of the GOP as in the party.....you know regular folks.....

 

[Shaggy]

Ok brace yourself, you sitting down?




I agree with you! But yes I'm all for states rights and less federal Gov't intrusion in our lives

We are a nation of states. Each state has different "needs".a gun law that might work for New York may have no place in Montana.

I was hoping a small party called the patrick Henry caucus would gain legs back in the days of the tea party but it failed on the national stage. They did pick up a few state seats in the midwest. Their entire platform was based on the 10th amendment.

 

[Downeastnc]

Nadler now calling for Kelly to testify after he commented that he believes Bolton over trump.

Naw Kelly is just lying as well.....Trump did not do it and I mean even if he did its not big deal and certainly not impeachable...but there is no way these guys are being truthful, Trump has told us hundreds of times he did not do it and I mean how dare we question the truthfulness of Trump for he never lies......but if he is lying its still no big deal.....

 

[Sandbar]

Naw Kelly is just lying as well.....Trump did not do it and I mean even if he did its not big deal and certainly not impeachable...but there is no way these guys are being truthful, Trump has told us hundreds of times he did not do it and I mean how dare we question the truthfulness of Trump for he never lies......but if he is lying its still no big deal.....

Just so I have this straight. Anybody that disagrees with your line of thinking on this is just simply a liar?.....LOL. Man you are a piece of work.

 

[snowlover91]

I included the 3rd party votes etc, I guess I should have said 8 million more Americans voted for someone other than Trump than voted for Trump....actually I just did the math and people other than Trump got 9,939,258 more votes than the total number of people that voted for Trump....so rounding up that means that 63 million wanted Trump and 73 million wanted someone other than Trump.....

Lol no one cares about the 3rd party votes, there are always people who vote for 3rd party candidates who have 0 chance of winning. Let’s put it in a way that’s not biased. There were 3 million more people who preferred Hillary over Trump and 7 million people who didn’t want either Trump or Hillary. When you say 10 million people didn’t want Trump that’s misleading because 7 million of them also didn’t want Hillary.

 

[snowlover91]

Nadler now calling for Kelly to testify after he commented that he believes Bolton over trump.

Here’s what the democrats are attempting, this article analyzes it quite well and predicted this would happen a month ago.

Democrats 'Kavanaughing' Impeachment Trial As Predicted – John Bolton Leak Came as House Case Was Collapsing

We have seen this show before, it's all designed to pressure a small number of weak Republican Senators to allow Democrats to turn the Senate into a circus in which the process becomes the punishment.

legalinsurrection.com

“It has been clear for weeks that the Democrats were seeking to ‘Kavanaugh’ the Senate impeachment trial — to roll out with media help a well-timed series of supposed bombshell accusations whose main purpose was to create a media hysteria to pressure Republican Senators to extend the process.

The process for the nominee, or in the impeachment framework the president, becomes the punishment and the Democrat campaign strategy.

That’s what happened in the Brett Kavanaugh confirmation hearing. Once it because clear that Kavanaugh would be confirmed and the hearings were closed, a series of accusers — Christine Blasey Ford, Julie Swetnick, Deborah Ramirez, plus anonymous accusers — were rolled out to reopen the hearings and prolong the process. The accusations were absurd and contradicted by all known evidence, but that was not the point. The Democrats, having invented and honed the skill of Borking nominees, wanted to punish the nominee and damage his legitimacy as a Supreme Court Justice.”

 

[whatalife]

So tired of this impeachment crap! There isn’t a single President that hasn’t done something that might be impeachable and/or crooked!


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[Arcc]

I'm highly interested in watching the witnesses. It could definitely hurt Trump if they do testify against him. That said if Bolton wobbles or clarifies what his book says and it doesn't paint a clear picture it could hurt the democrats really bad. The same is true should the GOP get the Bidens under oath.

The democrats have much more to lose IMO.

 

[snowlover91]

I'm highly interested in watching the witnesses. It could definitely hurt Trump if they do testify against him. That said if Bolton wobbles or clarifies what his book says and it doesn't paint a clear picture it could hurt the democrats really bad. The same is true should the GOP get the Bidens under oath.

The democrats have much more to lose IMO.

If the democratic nominee ends up being Biden then he and trump will have one thing in common with the Ukraine questions/concerns lol.