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I am aware of it but it's not enough to call a man who spent five years as a pow a traitor. Are you aware you can be against Trump and not be a traitor? The golden showers part is believable if you listen to Trump on Howard Stern, he's a pig.
You just see what you want to see. The dossier was fake. That is the big story and who pushed it. Trump being a pig in your opinion does not make a fake dossier that was created to start the Russia probe, to get rid of the prez okay. Or is it in your eyes????
 
Well if this is true then the GOP senators are screwed how can they not vote to hear what Bolton has to say.....https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-tied-ukraine-aid-to-inquiries-he-sought-bolton-book-says/ar-BBZlMfy

"President Trump told his national security adviser in August that he wanted to continue freezing $391 million in security assistance to Ukraine until officials there helped with investigations into Democrats including the Bidens, according to an unpublished manuscript by the former adviser, John R. Bolton."
 
The irony here is that those who say they are conservative but hate Trump and want him impeached because he's destroying our constitution don't seem to be equally upset about the democrats weaponizing impeachment and undermining the constitution. Right after Trump won in 2016 there was a growing chorus of democrats who vowed to impeach Trump simply because they were angry he won, didn't like what he stood for or said, etc. and so impeachment began to be viewed as a way to overturn the will of the people. Then came a number of claims and investigations over the years from the Russian investigation to this recent one and other issues along the way. This should be concerning for every American especially regarding the integrity of our constitution and election process. To weaponize the impeachment process is incredibly dangerous. What is there to prevent this from becoming a recurring theme in the future now where one side tries to oust the elected president by searching for any form of misconduct they can deem worthy of an impeachment investigation?

Schiff recently stated "The President's misconduct cannot be decided at the ballot box. For we cannot be assured that the vote will be fairly won."

When Trump was sworn in on January 20, 2017, the Washington Post ran this headline “The campaign to impeach President Trump has begun.”

Interestingly enough during the Clinton impeachment, Jerry Nadler warned against weaponizing impeachment and said the following:
"There must never be a narrowly voted impeachment or an impeachment substantially supported by one of our major political parties and largely opposed by the other. Such an impeachment would lack legitimacy, would produce divisiveness and bitterness in our politics for years to come. And will call into question the very legitimacy of our political institutions.

The American people have heard all the allegations against the president, and they overwhelmingly oppose impeaching him. The people elected the president, they still support him. We have no right to overturn the considered judgment of the American people. There are clearly some members of the Republican majority who have never accepted the results of the 1992 or 1996 elections and who apparently have chosen to ignore the message of last month's election. But in a democracy, it is the people who rule, not political elites, and certainly not those members of political elites who will not be here in the next election and the next Congress having been repudiated at the polls."

Here's an opinion piece from the LA times by Jonathan Turley about the rushed, sloppy nature of how the Democrats conducted their impeachment proceedings in the House. "This would be the first presidential impeachment to go forward with no credible (or at least uncontested) crime at its heart. That does not mean that the Democrats’ case is necessarily invalid. The problem is that this is the thinnest record of any modern impeachment as well as arguably the shortest impeachment investigation in history (Johnson was impeached after three prior attempts and the House had been working on creating the grounds for impeachment for a year).

This would not matter if the non-criminal acts were clear and uncontested. They are not. The most serious impeachable act raised by the Democrats is abuse of power, a legitimate basis for impeachment as I stated in both the Clinton and Trump impeachment hearings. But in inexplicably rushing to an impeachment vote, the House is foregoing the subpoenaing of key witnesses who could shed light on potential abuse of power, including former national security advisor John Bolton and acting White House Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney. Instead, the Democrats insisted we should go forward on “inferences” or interpretations rather than delay further.

Another complication is that Zelensky himself has said that he did not discuss any quid pro quo with Trump. Moreover, the funds were released on Sept. 11 without apparent action on Ukraine’s part to do the president his requested favor. One can certainly claim that this happened only because Trump got caught. The problem is that such a claim is based on presumption rather than proof. It is guaranteed to fail on that basis in the Senate." Source

While people go on complaining about how Trump is supposedly shredding our constitution they are silent about the politicization of the impeachment process. One article cites this quite well below:
"For the first 187 years of American history, exactly one president, Andrew Johnson in the 1860s, faced impeachment. In the last 45 years, three presidents have: Richard Nixon, Bill Clinton, and now Donald Trump. Put another way, only one of the first 36 presidents had impeachment brought against him, but three of the last nine have. What has traditionally been an extreme and extremely rare tool for emergencies has turned into a process one out of every three chief executives has faced.

There is no reason to anticipate that this recent spate of impeachments will tail off anytime soon. This is true because not only has the frequency of impeachment quickened, the standard for impeachment has been eroded. This arguably began with the Clinton impeachment, which although it was somewhat bipartisan and there was an actual crime of perjury, was rooted in a private sex act that few thought warranted the overturning of an election result.

In the Trump impeachment, the bar got even lower: Not only was the vote to impeach entirely partisan, even after Democrats said that would not be legitimate, it also did not claim any specific crime, instead choosing vague charges of abuse of power and obstruction. This leaves the door wide open for a future House of Representatives controlled by the opposite party to the president to pursue impeachment for almost anything.

The normalization of impeachment is corroding not only how we govern ourselves, but how we treat those with whom we disagree politically. It is no longer sufficient to lose an election and work with the other side while trying to wrest back power. Now we must call the other side illegitimate, now we reach for what was once the rarest remedy in the toolkit as if it is an Allen wrench and the government a cheap piece of Ikea furniture. Are we to become a nation that chooses its leaders through partisan trials instead of elections? It is hard to imagine a future that takes us farther away from the goals of the founders." Source

Also it's worth mentioning that the viewership for impeachment has been underwhelming thus far.
 
The entire defense of Trump is predicated on the fact he did not withhold aid to force Ukraine to go after Biden. If Trump did that it means everything Trump and his defense team has told you and the American people on the floor of the Senate is a LIE.....I would be pretty pissed if I defended Trump and believed him when he said there was no QPQ and that aid was not withheld to force a investigation.....only to find out Trump was lying.

This pretty much sums up how this went down I stole it off Reddit.....

Here is the key sequence of events that gives lie to the Republican defense, including this new information from Bolton:

  • Mid-August - Donald Trump tells John Bolton explicitly that Ukraine must give him dirt on the Bidens in order to secure military aid.
  • August 30th: Ambassador Sondland explicitly tells Ukraine they are being extorted, and that military aid will likely be with-held until Ukraine announces the investigations demanded by Trump.
  • September 1st: Sondland confirms to US Ambassador to Ukraine Taylor that 'everything', including military aid is dependent on Zelenskiy announcing investigations into Biden and the Ukraine server conspiracy theory.
  • Early September: Zelenskiy and his staff surrender to Trump's demand, and arrangements are made for him to announce the investigations on Fareed Zakaria's show on CNN September 13th.
  • September 9th: Taylor reconfirms the extortion with Sondland by text message, saying "As I said on the phone, I think it’s crazy to withhold security assistance for help with a political campaign." Also on this day, Congress learns of the Whistleblower complaint from the ICIG.
  • September 10th: Adam Schiff writes to the ICIG to demand the Whistleblower complaint.
== ONE DAY LATER ==

 
Well if this is true then the GOP senators are screwed how can they not vote to hear what Bolton has to say.....https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-tied-ukraine-aid-to-inquiries-he-sought-bolton-book-says/ar-BBZlMfy

"President Trump told his national security adviser in August that he wanted to continue freezing $391 million in security assistance to Ukraine until officials there helped with investigations into Democrats including the Bidens, according to an unpublished manuscript by the former adviser, John R. Bolton."
Short answer is it's not their job, only to judge the evidence brought to them by the house. Nancy jumped the gun to speed through. Her fault not GOP Senators. So your saying that all the money and crap we went through for the house to impeach Trump was not quite enough? Need to waste more money and time? Need to trample the constitution some more?
The Money freeze is not true anyway. One would have to believe that Trump couldn't just beat Biden without tricks and nobody believes that. This is why this is all happening. They know they can't beat him and are panicked. He's done too much good. Nobody will believe anything they make up about him after wanting to impeach the first day and every day thereafter, printing impeach 45 on baby onesies on Walmart site (we shut that s**t down immediately, they removed and apologized), started the Russia hoax via fake dossier and everything else the msm could make up. Now the only hope is a Ukraine phone call that we can see ourselves and hopes that Bolton brings the goods on him? Or somebody like Parnas? Lawd. The boy who cried wolf. Nobody is going to take serious anything about Trump from now on that dems or msm puts out..Just not going to happen. The dems and deep state is in full blown panic mode. Wonder what they will come up with next to protect themselves from the truths. They don't have anything at this point..Have worked themselves in a corner and bad position. Brennan Clapper Comey Bidens Kerrys Obama and Clintons sure want to stop what is coming but nothing will stop it. Panic!
 
Short answer is it's not their job, only to judge the evidence brought to them by the house. Nancy jumped the gun to speed through. Her fault not GOP Senators. So your saying that all the money and crap we went through for the house to impeach Trump was not quite enough? Need to waste more money and time? Need to trample the constitution some more?
The Money freeze is not true anyway. One would have to believe that Trump couldn't just beat Biden without tricks and nobody believes that. This is why this is all happening. They know they can't beat him and are panicked. He's done too much good. Nobody will believe anything they make up about him after wanting to impeach the first day and every day thereafter, printing impeach 45 on baby onesies on Walmart site (we shut that s**t down immediately, they removed and apologized), started the Russia hoax via fake dossier and everything else the msm could make up. Now the only hope is a Ukraine phone call that we can see ourselves and hopes that Bolton brings the goods on him? Or somebody like Parnas? Lawd. The boy who cried wolf. Nobody is going to take serious anything about Trump from now on that dems or msm puts out..Just not going to happen. The dems and deep state is in full blown panic mode. Wonder what they will come up with next to protect themselves from the truths. They don't have anything at this point..Have worked themselves in a corner and bad position. Brennan Clapper Comey Bidens Kerrys Obama and Clintons sure want to stop what is coming but nothing will stop it. Panic!

The only thing in panic mode right now is the GOP leadership, imagine having to vote to save Trump basically endorsing the lie that Trump did not withhold the aid to force the investigations only to have Trump's NSA come out and admit it was all true.....what is even worse than that is that with this story breaking the ENTIRE country knows that as well, so watch the narrative change from Trump didnt do it to it does not rise to a impeachable level.....which is certainly within the right of the GOP senators to say and do.....but it wont play well for those in close districts....
 
The entire defense of Trump is predicated on the fact he did not withhold aid to force Ukraine to go after Biden. If Trump did that it means everything Trump and his defense team has told you and the American people on the floor of the Senate is a LIE.....I would be pretty pissed if I defended Trump and believed him when he said there was no QPQ and that aid was not withheld to force a investigation.....only to find out Trump was lying.

This pretty much sums up how this went down I stole it off Reddit.....

Here is the key sequence of events that gives lie to the Republican defense, including this new information from Bolton:

  • Mid-August - Donald Trump tells John Bolton explicitly that Ukraine must give him dirt on the Bidens in order to secure military aid.
  • August 30th: Ambassador Sondland explicitly tells Ukraine they are being extorted, and that military aid will likely be with-held until Ukraine announces the investigations demanded by Trump.
  • September 1st: Sondland confirms to US Ambassador to Ukraine Taylor that 'everything', including military aid is dependent on Zelenskiy announcing investigations into Biden and the Ukraine server conspiracy theory.
  • Early September: Zelenskiy and his staff surrender to Trump's demand, and arrangements are made for him to announce the investigations on Fareed Zakaria's show on CNN September 13th.
  • September 9th: Taylor reconfirms the extortion with Sondland by text message, saying "As I said on the phone, I think it’s crazy to withhold security assistance for help with a political campaign." Also on this day, Congress learns of the Whistleblower complaint from the ICIG.
  • September 10th: Adam Schiff writes to the ICIG to demand the Whistleblower complaint.
== ONE DAY LATER ==

Are you sure Schiff didn't write this? Sounds kind of dramatic.."staff surrender to Trump's demands". That kind of talk hurt their case Friday instead of helping them. Pissed people off and completely stupid. LOL. It's almost like ya'll are the ones who thinks Trump is king like with magical powers or something . So funny.
Also..why are the house dems concealing the ICIG's testimony? He was the 18th witness. They talk of only 17 but what about the 18th? What's up with that I wonder.
 
Fox news new poll surely doesnt support that trump has the public support. His REMOVAL has 51% and indies are strongly for removal......this was a FOX poll.
 
Fox news new poll surely doesnt support that trump has the public support. His REMOVAL has 51% and indies are strongly for removal......this was a FOX poll.

Considering the Fox News poll concerning Removal has been the high outlier in the past and considering Fox News heavily defends Trump, makes me believe it's probably a ploy to rile their base.

 
The only thing in panic mode right now is the GOP leadership, imagine having to vote to save Trump basically endorsing the lie that Trump did not withhold the aid to force the investigations only to have Trump's NSA come out and admit it was all true.....what is even worse than that is that with this story breaking the ENTIRE country knows that as well, so watch the narrative change from Trump didnt do it to it does not rise to a impeachable level.....which is certainly within the right of the GOP senators to say and do.....but it wont play well for those in close districts....
So the brain washers are now saying that everything hinges on Trump withholding aid that he didn't withhold to beat Biden who he could beat without doing all of that? Really...It's not even his style to do these things. It's petty. But what is not petty is treason. Making millions of dollars with corrupt foreign countries. Spying on Americans with corrupt countries. Now when media talks to you about that and the spying, then we may be getting somewhere. The rest is chump change talk. Panic talk from the deep state. Do you look at Republicans and really think they looked panicked? I think your getting panicked mixed up with pissed and determined to bring justice for the people. Truth is not a bad thing and we all know corruption in the swamp is way bigger and way before Trump. Why does the left not acknowledge? Peter Schweizer is a good place to start with truths.
Gotta give it to ya though...You would be a helluva fighter if you were on the side of bringing the real corrupt players to justice and fight for Trumps policy instead of against. Not even for Trump but what his purpose is. ;)
 
So the brain washers are now saying that everything hinges on Trump withholding aid that he didn't withhold to beat Biden who he could beat without doing all of that? Really...It's not even his style to do these things. It's petty. But what is not petty is treason. Making millions of dollars with corrupt foreign countries. Spying on Americans with corrupt countries. Now when media talks to you about that and the spying, then we may be getting somewhere. The rest is chump change talk. Panic talk from the deep state. Do you look at Republicans and really think they looked panicked? I think your getting panicked mixed up with pissed and determined to bring justice for the people. Truth is not a bad thing and we all know corruption in the swamp is way bigger and way before Trump. Why does the left not acknowledge? Peter Schweizer is a good place to start with truths.
Gotta give it to ya though...You would be a helluva fighter if you were on the side of bringing the real corrupt players to justice and fight for Trumps policy instead of against. Not even for Trump but what his purpose is. ;)

LOL Bolton's lawyer has confirmed the story is true, Bolton in his book says Trump only withheld the aid to force the Ukraine to announce investigations into Biden. I guess Bolton is deep state now huh....Trump and his team lied to you and every other American.

No one made Trump do these things, Trump did them because he just is not a very smart man....he does not understand all the shady back door stuff he did as a businessman does not fly as president of the USA.....don't worry the GOP senators will still save him, but now everyone knows Trump did it and lied to cover it up, and the GOP senators now have to vote to save him thus setting the precedent that it is ok for the president to do what Trump did.....you always talk about the truth but you look for it in all the wrong places.

Even worse and probably has Trump raging out is it appears that Bolton sent a copy of his manuscript to the WH for them to look over back on Dec 30th and someone inside Trump's own admin leaked it to the NYT.....at least someone on the inside is willing to do the right thing.....that should give you a clue to how bad and corrupt Trump is, his own team is selling him out....statement from Bolton's lawyer

"[W]e submitted the manuscript notwithstanding our firm belief that the manuscript contained no information that could reasonably be considered classified and on the assurance that the 'process of reviewing submitted materials is restricted to those career government officials and employees regularly charged with responsibility for such reviews' and that the 'contents of Ambassador Bolton’s manuscript will not be reviewed or otherwise disclosed to any persons not regularly involved in that process.
"It is clear, regrettably, from The New York Times article published today that the prepublication review process has been corrupted and that information has been disclosed by persons other than those properly involved in reviewing the manuscript."
 
Considering the Fox News poll concerning Removal has been the high outlier in the past and considering Fox News heavily defends Trump, makes me believe it's probably a ploy to rile their base.


Give it a few days for the Bolton confirming the QPQ to work its way out there.....that completely and utterly destroys the argument Trumps team is using in the trial, these people are literally standing on the Senate floor and bald face lying.......it also means Trump lied to America about this entire ordeal so many times, dozens if not hundreds of times Trump has said he did not withhold aid to force Ukraine to investigate the Biden's. Should he not be held accountable for that?
 
Give it a few days for the Bolton confirming the QPQ to work its way out there.....that completely and utterly destroys the argument Trumps team is using in the trial, these people are literally standing on the Senate floor and bald face lying.......it also means Trump lied to America about this entire ordeal so many times, dozens if not hundreds of times Trump has said he did not withhold aid to force Ukraine to investigate the Biden's. Should he not be held accountable for that?

Really depends on how much people care. Will be interesting to see, but the most likely reaction is no reaction.
 
Democrats cant beat Trump on issues. To top it off they have no candidate. The Media runs cover for them and this ploy, like they did the collusion fabricated hoax. This is nothing but a campaign on the tax payer dollar to damage Trump. Both should have been exposed for what they are. But gone are the days of journalism. If Democrats are so confident in their ideas, why dont they spend time campaigning on them? Convince us 60 million + wal mart deplorables that capitilisim and good ole American values are worse than Socialism. Hope you boys who buy into this Progressive, Socialist, liberalism love it . Dont come crying when the economy goes in the tank along with everything else. Dont worry about class warfare anymore with Dems in contoll, we will all be one class. The flat broke lower class. Look at California, thats what we will get. Itll be ok if someone walks in the store, takes food without paying for it. Needles all over the street, people urinating and everything else along the sidewalk.
Go look it up ,see for yourself. You want hear and see about it on the mainstream news.
 
Democrats cant beat Trump on issues. To top it off they have no candidate. The Media runs cover for them and this ploy, like they did the collusion fabricated hoax. This is nothing but a campaign on the tax payer dollar to damage Trump. Both should have been exposed for what they are. But gone are the days of journalism. If Democrats are so confident in their ideas, why dont they spend time campaigning on them? Convince us 60 million + wal mart deplorables that capitilisim and good ole American values are worse than Socialism. Hope you boys who buy into this Progressive, Socialist, liberalism love it . Dont come crying when the economy goes in the tank along with everything else. Dont worry about class warfare anymore with Dems in contoll, we will all be one class. The flat broke lower class. Look at California, thats what we will get. Itll be ok if someone walks in the store, takes food without paying for it. Needles all over the street, people urinating and everything else along the sidewalk.
Go look it up ,see for yourself. You want hear and see about it on the mainstream news.
Not everyone who opposes Trump has this view. And for the record, the economy goes in the tank cyclically. The Democrats are going to lose because they have no appealing candidates and they're mostly on Trump's level of politically angry. Now about the economy going in the tank again. It could happen in trump's second term. The extremists will die out after nobody elects them. Hopefully the Republicans don't run someone like Trump in 24 and the Democrats purge people like Bernie and Warren and correct less extreme.
 
Not a chance.
this is a good article from the New York Post talking about Hillary and Bernie.. I never thought I would say this but after reading this article what makes me want to say Bernie is so leftist, it would make someone in another country not aware of our politics think that Hillary is Republican.

 
Not everyone who opposes Trump has this view. And for the record, the economy goes in the tank cyclically. The Democrats are going to lose because they have no appealing candidates and they're mostly on Trump's level of politically angry. Now about the economy going in the tank again. It could happen in trump's second term. The extremists will die out after nobody elects them. Hopefully the Republicans don't run someone like Trump in 24 and the Democrats purge people like Bernie and Warren and correct less extreme.

I bet whatever party loses goes more extreme in 2024. Personally thinking that Trump is re-elected, the dems will probably have learned their lesson and run a young socialist with lots of public appeal and that is a little scary.
 
LOL Bolton's lawyer has confirmed the story is true, Bolton in his book says Trump only withheld the aid to force the Ukraine to announce investigations into Biden. I guess Bolton is deep state now huh....Trump and his team lied to you and every other American.

No one made Trump do these things, Trump did them because he just is not a very smart man....he does not understand all the shady back door stuff he did as a businessman does not fly as president of the USA.....don't worry the GOP senators will still save him, but now everyone knows Trump did it and lied to cover it up, and the GOP senators now have to vote to save him thus setting the precedent that it is ok for the president to do what Trump did.....you always talk about the truth but you look for it in all the wrong places.

Even worse and probably has Trump raging out is it appears that Bolton sent a copy of his manuscript to the WH for them to look over back on Dec 30th and someone inside Trump's own admin leaked it to the NYT.....at least someone on the inside is willing to do the right thing.....that should give you a clue to how bad and corrupt Trump is, his own team is selling him out....statement from Bolton's lawyer
Is that leaker Vindmans brother? The anonymous source? The brother to a key witness to impeach? Did Bolton really say that? If he did why? Is he that stupid to ruin his trust and reputation over a book? Is Trump stupid and blind to leakers without eyes on? Is it a crime for Trump to talk about withholding aid? Is he 3 steps of ahead of them? Is this story the usual clockwork dem tactics? Will it work? Enjoy the show.
 
Not everyone who opposes Trump has this view. And for the record, the economy goes in the tank cyclically. The Democrats are going to lose because they have no appealing candidates and they're mostly on Trump's level of politically angry. Now about the economy going in the tank again. It could happen in trump's second term. The extremists will die out after nobody elects them. Hopefully the Republicans don't run someone like Trump in 24 and the Democrats purge people like Bernie and Warren and correct less extreme.

The Democrats are going to lose because of their idealogy. They have been expossed and brazenly have come out of the closet, unabashedly anouncing what they truly beleive and stand for. While I to have issues with Trump on a personal character level. He does what he says he was going to do. Hes not a politician and thats what has yielded all the net gains and results. Thankfully there are enough capitalist, folks who appreciate good ole American values that will vote in the 2020 election to thwart the socialist movement in America being channeled via the Democrat party. 2024 and beyond it will become more difficult thanks to the 24/7 indoctrination via the main stream media and public education system.

America has 2 choices in 2020. Eitheir you vote for Capitalism or Socialism. Its that simple. You decide which you prefer.
 
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