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Its not that Trump could have done more, its that he downplayed it so much...even when internally they knew it was probably going to get really bad.....anyone that watches the video above will plainly see Trump was doing everything he could to marginalize this, right up till the end when all of a sudden he was all " of course its a pandemic I have been saying that all along" which that video shows to not be the case.
Most people in a leadership role did to an extent. Nobody knew "exactly" how bad this would be I digress. You already hate his guts anyways so whats the point. You wake up every single morning with wood and the intent to bash him. Its a sad state of affairs
 
Here is what all the Trump didn't do enough to stop this aren't saying but are thinking.... they want a national martial law, shut it down, if you leave your house you are arrested, communist style response to a pandemic, it's the only possible way to enforce it. It would be the only way he could possibly do enough. Of course, I'm sure then it wouldn't be enough either, the narrative would be he's a dictator overstepping his authority.
 
Here is what all the Trump didn't do enough to stop this aren't saying but are thinking.... they want a national martial law, shut it down, if you leave your house you are arrested, communist style response to a pandemic, it's the only possible way to enforce it. It would be the only way he could possibly do enough. Of course, I'm sure then it wouldn't be enough either, the narrative would be he's a dictator overstepping his authority.
100% Accurate...Its amazing
 
Here is what all the Trump didn't do enough to stop this aren't saying but are thinking.... they want a national martial law, shut it down, if you leave your house you are arrested, communist style response to a pandemic, it's the only possible way to enforce it. It would be the only way he could possibly do enough. Of course, I'm sure then it wouldn't be enough either, the narrative would be he's a dictator overstepping his authority.

This is a bit of a reach eh....I say Trump did a lousy job on this, I in no way want any of the bolded....we dont need that and I dont even really see anyone out there advocating anything like that. Trump just needs to get with the program and accept that sometimes doing the right thing even if it does not benefit him is what being a leader is actually all about.....
 
Here is what all the Trump didn't do enough to stop this aren't saying but are thinking.... they want a national martial law, shut it down, if you leave your house you are arrested, communist style response to a pandemic, it's the only possible way to enforce it. It would be the only way he could possibly do enough. Of course, I'm sure then it wouldn't be enough either, the narrative would be he's a dictator overstepping his authority.
You're trying to put words in our mouths that don't fit what we actually think. Our problem is people aren't taking this seriously at all. Trump's "Fake news" crap has got to stop now as well because this is part of why people around here don't care about the virus. A lot of them are ignoring the actual reasonable words that the news is putting out such as stay at home if you don't need to go out. I don't think we need martial law, but I think we will need more than "shelter in place for medically fragile" in places like Georgia. More people will listen if the narrative is dire enough and shows reason.
 
This is a bit of a reach eh....I say Trump did a lousy job on this, I in no way want any of the bolded....we dont need that and I dont even really see anyone out there advocating anything like that. Trump just needs to get with the program and accept that sometimes doing the right thing even if it does not benefit him is what being a leader is actually all about.....

But according to a recent interview by Dr Fauci, Trump has been following all of his advice and other advisors as well contrary to what people and the MSM are saying.
 
You're trying to put words in our mouths that don't fit what we actually think. Our problem is people aren't taking this seriously at all. Trump's "Fake news" crap has got to stop now as well because this is part of why people around here don't care about the virus. A lot of them are ignoring the actual reasonable words that the news is putting out such as stay at home if you don't need to go out. I don't think we need martial law, but I think we will need more than "shelter in place for medically fragile" in places like Georgia. More people will listen if the narrative is dire enough and shows reason.

He did get serious a week or two ago when he started shutting things down. Prior to that his response was one of saying basically we will overcome it. I think his “downplay” approach wasn’t to minimize it but to keep people everywhere from all out panic. Perhaps his advisors recommended he approach it that way and he was simply listening to their advice? Trump has a lot more intel and info on this that we the public will never know about. It’s easy to criticize him but we have no idea what advice and intel he was given that made him approach it the way he did early on. From all accounts he’s been following the advice of his advisors closely, Dr Fauci said so himself in a recent interview.
 
But according to a recent interview by Dr Fauci, Trump has been following all of his advice and other advisors as well contrary to what people and the MSM are saying.

Dr Fauci does not support going back to normal....

"Asked if Fauci agreed with Trump on the need to ease some of the travel and social distancing restrictions as a way to revive the economy, Trump said: "He doesn't not agree."
 
Im sorry but anyone who thinks that people are going to just stay at home and not leave their house for months are not very realistic. And with it being spring time, its especially difficult for people to stay at home.
 
This is a bit of a reach eh....I say Trump did a lousy job on this, I in no way want any of the bolded....we dont need that and I dont even really see anyone out there advocating anything like that. Trump just needs to get with the program and accept that sometimes doing the right thing even if it does not benefit him is what being a leader is actually all about.....
What's the right thing? I really don't think he is concentrating on benefitting himself during a global crisis
 
He did get serious a week or two ago when he started shutting things down. Prior to that his response was one of saying basically we will overcome it. I think his “downplay” approach wasn’t to minimize it but to keep people everywhere from all out panic. Perhaps his advisors recommended he approach it that way and he was simply listening to their advice? Trump has a lot more intel and info on this that we the public will never know about. It’s easy to criticize him but we have no idea what advice and intel he was given that made him approach it the way he did early on. From all accounts he’s been following the advice of his advisors closely, Dr Fauci said so himself in a recent interview.
Not sure where you got that from. I'm sure he's following what his advisers are saying, but what I'm referring to is when he gets up on the podium and starts saying things are fake news. His advisers can't stop him on that. Making a rift like that is dangerous because of times like this. If you want an authoritarian government, remove your critics and you'll have one. And for all we know he might not be listening to advisers that are telling him we aren't on a good path and the economy will suffer because of it. Tons of factors in play, but with the way Trump behaves, we need him not to be how he has the last 3 years more than ever and work with the media more than ever to ensure Americans trust what's being put out.
 
He did get serious a week or two ago when he started shutting things down. Prior to that his response was one of saying basically we will overcome it. I think his “downplay” approach wasn’t to minimize it but to keep people everywhere from all out panic. Perhaps his advisors recommended he approach it that way and he was simply listening to their advice? Trump has a lot more intel and info on this that we the public will never know about. It’s easy to criticize him but we have no idea what advice and intel he was given that made him approach it the way he did early on. From all accounts he’s been following the advice of his advisors closely, Dr Fauci said so himself in a recent interview.

This is what is known as polishing a turd, his job is to use the vast resources of the federal government to protect Americans and he absolutely did not do that by spending a month downplaying this. Its one thing to stress the need to remain calm etc, but Trump repeatedly made it out as if this was not going to be a issue AT ALL in this country. He did that right up till the day he couldnt BS anymore and the ndid a full 180 on his message....and then and only then started to do things he should have done weeks/months ago....what sense does that make, your a smart guy you cant really believe half of what you just posted above.
 
Dr Fauci does not support going back to normal....

"Asked if Fauci agreed with Trump on the need to ease some of the travel and social distancing restrictions as a way to revive the economy, Trump said: "He doesn't not agree."
And like Fauci has said numerous time, he is a scientist and doesn't have to worry about all the "other stuff" like the economy. Trump does
 
Dr Fauci does not support going back to normal....

"Asked if Fauci agreed with Trump on the need to ease some of the travel and social distancing restrictions as a way to revive the economy, Trump said: "He doesn't not agree."

He also said this.

The president has listened to what I have said and ... what the other people on the task force have said," Fauci said. "When I made recommendations, he's taken them. He's never countered or overridden me. The idea of pitting one against the other is just not helpful. I wish that would stop and we'd look ahead at the challenge we have to pull together to get over this thing"

Then this.

In the same interview, Fauci noted that his responsibility is to solely focus on defeating the disease while the president has a larger responsibility. "The president has the awesome responsibility of considering every aspect of this," he said. "I just give public health advice completely clean, unconnected with anything else. He has to factor in other things."

"What the president is trying to do is balance the public health issues with the fact this is having an enormous impact on the economy of the country which may actually, indirectly, cause an incredible amount of harm... even health-wise," Fauci noted.
 
Not sure where you got that from. I'm sure he's following what his advisers are saying, but what I'm referring to is when he gets up on the podium and starts saying things are fake news. His advisers can't stop him on that. Making a rift like that is dangerous because of times like this. If you want an authoritarian government, remove your critics and you'll have one. And for all we know he might not be listening to advisers that are telling him we aren't on a good path and the economy will suffer because of it. Tons of factors in play, but with the way Trump behaves, we need him not to be how he has the last 3 years more than ever and work with the media more than ever to ensure Americans trust what's being put out.
LOLOL...My god I almost fell out of my chair on this one. Bud I think its the other way around on this one based on the crap I continue to see from that obvious left leaning side. They are 100% at fault for the majority of the hysteria
 
This is what is known as polishing a turd, his job is to use the vast resources of the federal government to protect Americans and he absolutely did not do that by spending a month downplaying this. Its one thing to stress the need to remain calm etc, but Trump repeatedly made it out as if this was not going to be a issue AT ALL in this country. He did that right up till the day he couldnt BS anymore and the ndid a full 180 on his message....and then and only then started to do things he should have done weeks/months ago....what sense does that make, your a smart guy you cant really believe half of what you just posted above.

So if his advisors recommended he downplay this to avoid public panic that’s a bad thing for him to do? Truth is none of us know what he has been advised of and why he downplayed initially but we do know from Dr Fauci that Trump has been listening closely to his advisors in this process.
 
Not sure where you got that from. I'm sure he's following what his advisers are saying, but what I'm referring to is when he gets up on the podium and starts saying things are fake news. His advisers can't stop him on that. Making a rift like that is dangerous because of times like this. If you want an authoritarian government, remove your critics and you'll have one. And for all we know he might not be listening to advisers that are telling him we aren't on a good path and the economy will suffer because of it. Tons of factors in play, but with the way Trump behaves, we need him not to be how he has the last 3 years more than ever and work with the media more than ever to ensure Americans trust what's being put out.
Sorry, but after all the "fake-news" that's been touted over the last 3 years, the American people, as a whole, will never trust the main stream media again.
 
LOLOL...My god I almost fell out of my chair on this one. Bud I think its the other way around on this one based on the crap I continue to see from that obvious left leaning side. They are 100% at fault for the majority of the hysteria
Just my thought on it. They both need to work together. And me calling Trump out for saying everything is fake isn't a left leaning bias. It's more left than you think of course because it's more of a neutral approach.
 
LOLOL...My god I almost fell out of my chair on this one. Bud I think its the other way around on this one based on the crap I continue to see from that obvious left leaning side. They are 100% at fault for the majority of the hysteria
I believe the liberal leaning media is largely to blame for the hysteria. I honestly feel like some people in the media would love for this to get worse just so they can cover it more and get higher ratings.
 
Not sure where you got that from. I'm sure he's following what his advisers are saying, but what I'm referring to is when he gets up on the podium and starts saying things are fake news. His advisers can't stop him on that. Making a rift like that is dangerous because of times like this. If you want an authoritarian government, remove your critics and you'll have one. And for all we know he might not be listening to advisers that are telling him we aren't on a good path and the economy will suffer because of it. Tons of factors in play, but with the way Trump behaves, we need him not to be how he has the last 3 years more than ever and work with the media more than ever to ensure Americans trust what's being put out.

The media needs to stop trying to create division and stop being so biased if they want Trump to stop calling them out. When they do things like try to depict a rift between him and Fauci, that’s bad and the news media deserves to be called out for that kind of stuff. Per Fauci below.

“The idea of pitting one against the other is just not helpful. I wish that would stop and we'd look ahead at the challenge we have to pull together to get over this thing"
 
“When you have 15 people and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to ZERO...uh...that’s a pretty good job...”.

That's the original 15 people taken in from Japan the he was referring to. His response is that would be better in 15 days. That's not exactly misinformation man. Pretty nit picky if you ask me

Also, Trump told this bold faced lie yesterday: “This was something that nobody has ever thought could happen to this country.”

This is FALSE! In fact, Obama literally left behind a pandemic “playbook” with recommendations on how to handle a pandemic OMG.


Did he leave one behind for the rest of the world to follow too? yeah that's what I thought. Apparently he didn't leave behind enough equipment to handle such a pandemic with the rule book.

Find something with a little more substance or YES you are pretty much wasting all of us "ignorant" people's time
Don't worry about Obama, pandemics are not unknown or surprising. No excuse for any leader or nation not prepared.
 
The media needs to stop trying to create division and stop being so biased if they want Trump to stop calling them out. When they do things like try to depict a rift between him and Fauci, that’s bad and the news media deserves to be called out for that kind of stuff. Per Fauci below.

“The idea of pitting one against the other is just not helpful. I wish that would stop and we'd look ahead at the challenge we have to pull together to get over this thing"
That part I can understand. Maybe I should rephrase to "Both need to put their differences aside and work together". But that's not going to happen. The way I see it, nobody is in the right at the moment. All of them are trying to get to one outcome and ignore the damage it does to get there. To me, Trump is trying to ignore the severity of the virus to get the economy back up for re-election or he's not going to get it. The media is overblowing it to try and tear Trump up here and there. The people are ignoring their leaders because they don't know what to do. Everyone is trying to play this virus as an opportunity to advance themselves against the other.
 
Then what's the point of them existing? Shut them down. All of them lol. Make us an authoritarian echo chamber.
They dont need to be shut down. THEY NEED TO DO THERE DAMN JOB IN AN UNBIASED MANNER! They have failed miserably the last 3 years and that isn't by coincidence. And unfortunately they have zero plans to change the approach and agenda they have which is to bash every single thing that Donald Trump does, kinda like a handful of people here do
 
That part I can understand. Maybe I should rephrase to "Both need to put their differences aside and work together". But that's not going to happen. The way I see it, nobody is in the right at the moment. All of them are trying to get to one outcome and ignore the damage it does to get there. To me, Trump is trying to ignore the severity of the virus to get the economy back up for re-election or he's not going to get it. The media is overblowing it to try and tear Trump up here and there. The people are ignoring their leaders because they don't know what to do. Everyone is trying to play this virus as an opportunity to advance themselves against the other.
I don't understand why Trump would try to get the economy back up and running in order to get re-elected. I mean i don't think many people are going to blame Trump for the economy for what's going on.
 
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I don't understand why Trump would try to get the economy back up and running in order to get re-elected. I mean i don't think many people are going to blame Trump for the economy for what's going on.
The man banked his presidency on the economy and being a businessman outsider. If he fails to do that to even a small portion of Americans they'll go to someone else. Everyone including me wants a strong economy, but remember China trade war and look at what China's doing. The man hates China, or just wants to beat them economically and I have no problem there. It's when he gives up protecting the people from a pandemic and is like China in terms of money over people where I don't like going to.
 
The man banked his presidency on the economy and being a businessman outsider. If he fails to do that to even a small portion of Americans they'll go to someone else. Everyone including me wants a strong economy, but remember China trade war and look at what China's doing. The man hates China, or just wants to beat them economically and I have no problem there. It's when he gives up protecting the people from a pandemic and is like China in terms of money over people where I don't like going to.
Im sorry but to even suggest he is putting the economy ahead of protecting people is friggin disgusting! We cant shut the world down for months over a virus that to me is being handled the best we can. People have to work. I don't understand why some of you folks cant understand that simple concept
 
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I don't understand why Trump would try to get the economy back up and running in order to get re-elected. I mean i don't think many people are going to blame Trump for the economy for what's going on.
Agreed... we can't blame any of our leaders for the virus outbreak that was released into our world by China. I will vote for Trump again regardless of the economy. Unless, of course, he does something really horrific. For all we know, this virus attack may have been an out-right act of terrorism.
 
I’m truly done with putting forth effort into this thread. I can’t even convey my thoughts without getting words shoved into my mouth. I work weekends overnight as a Nurse Assistant at CMC Main in Charlotte, I’m in no way an epidemiologist or doctor, but what I’m seeing is firsthand information. Have a great day everyone and wash your hands!
 
That part I can understand. Maybe I should rephrase to "Both need to put their differences aside and work together". But that's not going to happen. The way I see it, nobody is in the right at the moment. All of them are trying to get to one outcome and ignore the damage it does to get there. To me, Trump is trying to ignore the severity of the virus to get the economy back up for re-election or he's not going to get it. The media is overblowing it to try and tear Trump up here and there. The people are ignoring their leaders because they don't know what to do. Everyone is trying to play this virus as an opportunity to advance themselves against the other.

Yeah the news media needs to engage in more responsible/accurate journalism. They won't do that and so Trump (as is his personality, right or wrong) is calling them out on things. It's kind of a circular pattern, the news media won't stop their bias/attacks and Trump when attacked or misrepresented won't back down.
 
Im sorry but to even suggest he is putting the economy ahead of protecting people is friggin disgusting! We cant shut the world down for months over a virus that to me is being handled the best we can. People have to work. I don't understand why some of you folks cant understand that simple concept

Whats disgusting is the crap Trump spewed about this being not a big deal for a month and half....Trump 100% was worried this would wreck the economy but not because he gives a damn about me or you being without a job but rather he needs it to even have a chance in Nov......

Trump wanted the BS he was saying to be true, he hoped maybe if we didnt test a lot and maybe not to many got sick that it would end up being a big nothing....Trump gambled and we all lost, nothing else makes sense. The is no reasonable reason for Trump to do and say the things he did leading up to him finally acknowledging the reality of the situation.

The US is far from handling this the best we can....I mean how can anyone seriously think that is true, my wife works at a doctors office they finally got some test kits this week......3 of them.....they cant find mask or gloves anywhere.....the US government ---- the bed big time on this....
 
Yeah the news media needs to engage in more responsible/accurate journalism. They won't do that and so Trump (as is his personality, right or wrong) is calling them out on things. It's kind of a circular pattern, the news media won't stop their bias/attacks and Trump when attacked or misrepresented won't back down.
Agreed! I’m a democrat and I agree that the constant bashing of Trump is unnecessary and redundant. However the “Fake News” palooza is no help either. People will deem a credible source fake simply because they dislike the information being reported.
 
Whats disgusting is the crap Trump spewed about this being not a big deal for a month and half....Trump 100% was worried this would wreck the economy but not because he gives a damn about me or you being without a job but rather he needs it to even have a chance in Nov......

Trump wanted the BS he was saying to be true, he hoped maybe if we didnt test a lot and maybe not to many got sick that it would end up being a big nothing....Trump gambled and we all lost, nothing else makes sense. The is no reasonable reason for Trump to do and say the things he did leading up to him finally acknowledging the reality of the situation.

The US is far from handling this the best we can....I mean how can anyone seriously think that is true, my wife works at a doctors office they finally got some test kits this week......3 of them.....they cant find mask or gloves anywhere.....the US government poop the bed big time on this....
Im not gonna keep repeating myself over and over and over again. I get it my man.....you have made your point. We disagree.
 
Agreed! I’m a democrat and I agree that the constant bashing of Trump is unnecessary and redundant. However the “Fake News” palooza is no help either. People will deem a credible source fake simply because they dislike the information being reported.
If someone told the entire hospital or office you work at the you had an STD and you had to answer to it in front of the entire staff Im pretty sure you would say its blatantly false (fake news). The media is supposed to be unbiased right? Well they clearly aren't and its gotten to the point of abusive under Trump
 
For those who missed those last night, just try and defend this. We don't need a BSing con man in the oval office. Enough is enough, when are people going to stop supporting this?
 
For those who missed those last night, just try and defend this. We don't need a BSing con man in the oval office. Enough is enough, when are people going to stop supporting this?

Do yourself a favor and stop asking people to defend the same BS over and over again. I think you are going to get the same response you got last time this was asked. Vote for Joe Biden....Its a good choice for you. After he says something stupid you will forget it and so will he!
 
In the words of that famous statesman Rodney King "can we all just get along". I realize this is an empty hope but I had to try it anyway. Except for Forsyth Snow, very little seeing both sides of the issue here but I guess that is politics for you! Those that hate Trump will continue to call him names and those that think he NEVER does anything wrong will defend him. Believe it or not, it is possible for there to be some who believe that, like all humans, he makes mistakes and also possible to see he has done a lot of good things along the way. One thing I can't understand is why anyone would vote for Joe Biden thinking he would be an effective leader who would "unite" us. Just for the record, I did not vote for neither Trump or Hillary but do think Trump was the better of 2 bad choices in retrospect
 
For those who missed those last night, just try and defend this. We don't need a BSing con man in the oval office. Enough is enough, when are people going to stop supporting this?


He downplayed it to not create panic. That’s really easy to see. Turns out while it may be worse then Trump was hoping it won’t be as bad as the projections. 2.2 million Americans will not die from this. Trump has done a good job behind the scenes of dealing with this. While trying to tamper down fear with optimism!


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