Shaggy
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Which makes many of the claims questionable without independant research.
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Which makes many of the claims questionable without independant research.
Did you even read it? You and every American is going to care. This is not a game.
Shaggy
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Trump says he didn't do anything wrong because he had a duty to ask for the investigations into Biden by any means necessary even asking foreign govts to help and holding aid if they didnt.
This precedent when applied to Obama, Clapper and whoever else means if Obama asked those guys to investigate trump through any means necessary even asking for fisa abuses then that's 100% fine per the same standard trump is claiming.
You and those supporting this presidents bad behavior dont get to apply a different standard without it getting called out.
Dawgg10
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Bottom line everybody in Washington is crooked.(Yes everybody) All I know is my retirement accounts have recovered and expanded. My wages have increased 3 to 5 percent each of the last 3 years, after 8 years of furloughs and stagnant pay. So if you liberals(socialist) on here want to go back to the way it was 2008-2016 then vote for some demo-socialist that is your American right. Just don't blame Russia, China, or Ukraine on Trump winning the 2020 election. He is getting the votes because the Economy is good for everybody except those living in mommy and daddy's basement lives have improved 10 fold.
Yeah, I aint buying that. For all Trump is, he is the same Trump that was elected four years ago yet they wait until he gets impeached to go against him?
Did they just become enlightened or something?
You do realize just as many jobs were being created when Obama was president right ? Plus the unemployment rate declined dramatically under Obama. The economy was much better off when Obama left office than when he came into office.
Yes and no. Sure the economy stayed around 2%, but it did so with FED rates at zero. When Trump was elected the ecomomy did improve and hit 3% several quarters. It also did so despite the FED quickly began raising interest rates around the time Trump was elected. For all Trump's bad marks and whether his policy helped or it was just sentiment, the economy definitely improved a chunk when Trump as elected.
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Thanks for the info. I just feel sometimes republicans dont give Obama enough credit. You never hear republicans slam Bush Jr despite all of the bad things that happened when he was president, but they are quick to point out the bad things that happened while Obama was in office.
Dawgg10
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Georgia’s unemployment rate inched down to 3.3% in November, the lowest level since the government started keeping track 43 years ago.
The record was reached after the state economy added 6,500 jobs last month, slightly less than average for November, the Georgia Department of Labor reported Thursday.
I am sure you want to give Obama credit for this also.
The record was reached after the state economy added 6,500 jobs last month, slightly less than average for November, the Georgia Department of Labor reported Thursday.
I am sure you want to give Obama credit for this also.
I don't know if He does deserve any. The fact that FED rates were at or near zero his whole term is pretty pitiful.
ForsythSnow
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Unfortunately the FED rate is already dropping per that graph and it peaked very low. Not a good sign for the next inevitable recession.
Franklin came out about this. Not happy they brought his daddy's name in. He started it but nothing to do with it now or something like that he said. I would not trust anything like this...or many "Christian" based things actually. Wolves everywhere. Deep State money everywhere.
Well the good news is the recession isn't happening soon by the latest articles I've read, with the economy actually picking up steam again.
That said I tend to wonder if we ever see a "recession" in the meaning of the word again. I'm starting to think the FED can drop rates to zero, print money and get enough growth in the markets to keep GDP expanding at an obove zero rate. The new name of the game appears to be fake it till you make it and ignore the ND.
What is ND?
I don't have a problem with anyone Christian not supporting Trump due to his morals. In fact I didn't vote for him for that reason and wont next election. That all said, all of a sudden coming out against Trump when you didnt at the beginning is hypocrisy to me or either a major donor threatened them too.
National Debt.
Shaggy
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Or holiday temp hiring
ForsythSnow
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You really think we will see a roaring 20s (only saying this because the next decade is the 2020s) repeat where people think a recession isn't going to happen and then we crash? I'd rather crash sooner than later so we don't hit the ground harder. Recessions are cyclical. It's like saying it'll never be winter again. You have so long without it you question if it'll ever come back, then it hits you hard one year and you're unprepared.
I am not a regular reader of Christianity Today, but did find their editorial interesting. As a Christian and a conservative, voting for Trump was one of those things that I had to hold my nose and do, hopeful that the policies and appointments would back more or less what I believe makes for good, conservative government. The magazine made its point to compare with Clinton. Lest anyone forget, Clinton had major moral issues when he was elected into office as well, and I do not know if they had any editorials had against Clinton prior to his being elected, but it sounded as it didn't.
With all of that being said ... I am simply tired of the entire political scene ... I even avoid this thread and probably should not have even started reading today lol. While we will always have political disagreements, it seems that the days are long past where we can honorably compromise and work together on issues. There are extremes on both sides of the aisle, but I truly believe that the vast majority of Americans would be just a little right of center politically if they were quizzed. Unfortunately the extremes seem to be making the most noise.
As a conservative Christian, it seems that many of us have sold our souls so to speak on the Trump train, basically because of what the repercussions would be of voting for the other candidate. The editorial put into words a good bit about how I feel on the subject. I want our President, whomever it is, to be above reproach ... not perfect, but to stay above the fray. That does not mean that sometimes the President shouldn't fight, but I think it does mean that you don't lower yourself down to get into messes. One of the greatest signs of strength is to be able to admit that you are wrong about something. Trump simply cannot do that, on any issue, and that bothers me.
Whether or not, Trump is guilty with the Ukraine deal - though to me no matter how I look at it he is - just because others may have done the same type of thing previously doesn't give Trump the right to do it. Yes, it is true that the Democrats have been out to get him since Day 1. Yes it is true that there are a lot of corrupt Democrats after Trump. Yes, it is true that you cannot trust much of the reporting that is coming through the news media. Yes, someone needs to take Twitter away from Trump. Yes, the whole thing is simply a mess. I am tired of it and I don't have an answer for it.
Some of you may not be people of faith (and I respect that), but I believe that God ordains our leaders ... and God can use any of these leaders, regardless of political affiliation, to achieve His will. He has a purpose for Trump being President, and I am not God lol!
Sorry for rambling ... just ready to move on from all of this mess - kind of burned out over the whole thing. For those of you who are believers, we need to pray. Pray for our country, pray for all of its leaders, and pray that we can somehow get out of all this mess and focus on what I believe that the majority of Americans want ... a strong economy, strong defense, and opportunities for all our citizens to be successful. Regardless of our issues, this is still the greatest country in the world!
Merry Christmas to all!
I agree with what your saying.
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