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“For the House to vote “to impeach” without ever sending the articles of impeachment to the Senate for trial would also deviate from the constitutional protocol. It would mean that the president had not genuinely been impeached under the Constitution; and it would also deny the president the chance to defend himself in the Senate that the Constitution provides.

The provisions say nothing about timing. Taken literally, they don’t directly say that articles of impeachment passed by the House must be sent to the Senate. But the framers’ definition of impeachment assumed that impeachment was a process, not just a House vote.

If the House votes to “impeach” but doesn’t send the articles to the Senate or send impeachment managers there to carry its message, it hasn’t directly violated the text of the Constitution. But the House would be acting against the implicit logic of the Constitution’s description of impeachment.

To be sure, if the House just never sends its articles of impeachment to the Senate, there can be no trial there. That’s what the “sole power to impeach” means.

But if the House never sends the articles, then Trump could say with strong justification that he was never actually impeached. And that’s probably not the message Congressional Democrats are hoping to send.” Source
 
This whole impeachment mess is just political theater, everybody knows it will die in the Senate.

Honestly this feels like some manipulation tactic by the dems ahead of the 2020 election, like I can already see attack ads talking about how Trump is the 3rd president in history to be impeached and what not

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SimeonNC said:
This whole impeachment mess is just political theater, everybody knows it will die in the Senate.

Honestly this feels like some manipulation tactic by the dems ahead of the 2020 election, like I can already see attack ads talking about how Trump is the 3rd president in history to be impeached and what not

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Dying in the Senate is exactly WHY the Dems pushed it, they want the GOP to put on a dog and pony show and totally crap all over the process......things like McConnell saying he has no intentions of being impartial etc are gonna look great splashed all over the airwaves....

The GOP has no intentions of letting people like Mulvaney and Bolton on the stand it would be a disaster for Trump and they will do everything they can to prevent it...the flip side is this pretty much conveys that their testimony would hurt not help, otherwise they would trot them out an have them blow the Dems charges out of the water. All they need is Mulvaney or Bolton to go on the stand and deny that Trump ever mentioned withholding aid from Ukraine to get them to go after Biden.....seems simple, if Trump didn't do it as he said he didn't then why not have Mulvaney and Bolton exonerate him....
 
Andrew Yang had some good comments at the debate based on what I read. This one in particular stuck out, “If you turned on cable network news today, you would think [Trump's] our president because of some combination of Russia, racism, Facebook, Hillary Clinton and emails all mixed together," Yang said. "But Americans around the country know different. We blasted away 4 million manufacturing jobs that were primarily based in Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Missouri."
He added, to applause: "What we have to do, is we have to stop being obsessed over impeachment ... and start actually digging in and solving the problems that got Donald Trump elected in the first place."

Why can’t more democrats focus on the real issues that concern Americans? The only message Americans have been hearing for 3 years now from them is “Trump is bad, Russia, Ukraine and impeachment” but very little discussion surrounding actual issues that concern everyday people.
 
snowlover91 said:
Andrew Yang had some good comments at the debate based on what I read. This one in particular stuck out, “If you turned on cable network news today, you would think [Trump's] our president because of some combination of Russia, racism, Facebook, Hillary Clinton and emails all mixed together," Yang said. "But Americans around the country know different. We blasted away 4 million manufacturing jobs that were primarily based in Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Missouri."
He added, to applause: "What we have to do, is we have to stop being obsessed over impeachment ... and start actually digging in and solving the problems that got Donald Trump elected in the first place."

Why can’t more democrats focus on the real issues that concern Americans? The only message Americans have been hearing for 3 years now from them is “Trump is bad, Russia, Ukraine and impeachment” but very little discussion surrounding actual issues that concern everyday people.
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Andrew Yang is the best Dem candidate, which means he is nowhere close to ever winning the primary.

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Brent said:
I've seen people online today who think Trump is no longer President

Needless to say once I stopped laughing now my head hurts
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The number of people who have no understanding of the impeachment process or what high crimes and misdemeanors really means is quite telling as to how poorly how public education really is.
 
snowlover91 said:
Why can’t more democrats focus on the real issues that concern Americans? The only message Americans have been hearing for 3 years now from them is “Trump is bad, Russia, Ukraine and impeachment” but very little discussion surrounding actual issues that concern everyday people.
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They have been blowing smoke up middle America's ass since the 60's. Low income people, minorities, they all bought into it and still do. If those folks voted based on results, the Democrat party would never win another election. The liberal party (don't even call them Democrats anymore) still believes we can legislate people out of poverty with big government solutions.

When a single demographic group votes 90%+ for one party yet they still voice concerns over the same issues every 4 years, that should tell you all you need to know. Until that 90%+ breaks free, the Liberal party isn't going to budge. In fact they have now doubled down calling for all out socialism seeing as how they don't seem to have a clue how capitalism really works
 
stretch46 said:
I'm pretty sure Senator Romney doesn't "love Trump" Haha
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It's never a good idea to speak in absolutes. So the Democrats aren't going to send this to the Senate? So all this amounts to is a big middle finger at Trump? This is a YUGE waste of tax payer's dollars. Send it to the Senate now! Remove him or shut up. I'm ready for Pence to be President.
 
A purely partisan passage of articles of impeachment by a Democratic controlled house is legit, yet a Republican controlled senate probably doesn't convict and that's a dog and pony show

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https://www.theepochtimes.com/nsa-d...fter-carter-page-fisa-was-issued_2692033.html

We have known this for a long time. It's goes even deeper than this. In the end, all who are worried about the Senate impeachment trial, it doesn't really matter. It will take care of itself one way or the other. What nasty nasty government games. Don't discount because this link came from the Epoch Times. It will be coming (already is some) in all media. Trump knew it all..Durham and Barr not playing. Huber handling Clintons. Horrowitz was just a stepping stone to truth. The house of cards are about to fall and the world is going to see. Obama, Brennan, Clapper and the rest are going to be exposed. The cover up is going to gettem'! It's all about the cover up...Treason
 
Wildboutsnow said:
https://www.theepochtimes.com/nsa-d...fter-carter-page-fisa-was-issued_2692033.html

We have known this for a long time. It's goes even deeper than this. In the end, all who are worried about the Senate impeachment trial, it doesn't really matter. It will take care of itself one way or the other. What nasty nasty government games. Don't discount because this link came from the Epoch Times. It will be coming (already is some) in all media. Trump knew it all..Durham and Barr not playing. Huber handling Clintons. Horrowitz was just a stepping stone to truth. The house of cards are about to fall and the world is going to see. Obama, Brennan, Clapper and the rest are going to be exposed. The cover up is going to gettem'! It's all about the cover up...Treason
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So what? Who cares? A new precedent is being set by trump and his supporters which makes articles like these moot.
 
Wildboutsnow said:
https://www.theepochtimes.com/nsa-d...fter-carter-page-fisa-was-issued_2692033.html

We have known this for a long time. It's goes even deeper than this. In the end, all who are worried about the Senate impeachment trial, it doesn't really matter. It will take care of itself one way or the other. What nasty nasty government games. Don't discount because this link came from the Epoch Times. It will be coming (already is some) in all media. Trump knew it all..Durham and Barr not playing. Huber handling Clintons. Horrowitz was just a stepping stone to truth. The house of cards are about to fall and the world is going to see. Obama, Brennan, Clapper and the rest are going to be exposed. The cover up is going to gettem'! It's all about the cover up...Treason
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I know you were referencing me and I'm going to say that I don't buy any of it. All of it is nothing anyone is going to care much for and as I said the Horrowitz report is starting to sound like some magical floating diaper that'll shoot lasers and kill liberals when in reality it's nothing more than a pot stirrer. It's not as effective as you think it'll be nor will it be. And you only mentioning those specific people shows the bias. If there was really mass corruption there would be some Republicans too in this expose.
 
  • 4 million jobs created since election.
  • More Americans are now employed than ever recorded before in our history.
  • We have created more than 400,000 manufacturing jobs since my election.
  • Manufacturing jobs growing at the fastest rate in more than THREE DECADES.
  • Economic growth last quarter hit 4.2 percent.
  • New unemployment claims recently hit a 49-year low.
  • Median household income has hit highest level ever recorded.
  • African-American unemployment has recently achieved the lowest rate ever recorded.
  • Hispanic-American unemployment is at the lowest rate ever recorded.
  • Asian-American unemployment recently achieved the lowest rate ever recorded.
  • Women’s unemployment recently reached the lowest rate in 65 years.
  • Youth unemployment has recently hit the lowest rate in nearly half a century.
  • Lowest unemployment rate ever recorded for Americans without a high school diploma.
  • Under my Administration, veterans’ unemployment recently reached its lowest rate in nearly 20 years.
  • Almost 3.9 million Americans have been lifted off food stamps since the election.
  • The Pledge to America’s Workers has resulted in employers committing to train more than 4 million Americans. We are committed to VOCATIONAL education.
  • 95 percent of U.S. manufacturers are optimistic about the future—the highest ever.
  • Retail sales surged last month, up another 6 percent over last year.
  • Signed the biggest package of tax cuts and reforms in history. After tax cuts, over $300 billion poured back in to the U.S. in the first quarter alone.
  • As a result of our tax bill, small businesses will have the lowest top marginal tax rate in more than 80 years.
  • Helped win U.S. bid for the 2028 Summer Olympics in Los Angeles.
  • Helped win U.S.-Mexico-Canada’s united bid for 2026 World Cup.
  • Opened ANWR and approved Keystone XL and Dakota Access Pipelines.
  • Record number of regulations eliminated.
  • Enacted regulatory relief for community banks and credit unions.
  • Obamacare individual mandate penalty GONE.
  • My Administration is providing more affordable healthcare options for Americans through association health plans and short-term duration plans.
  • Last month, the FDA approved more affordable generic drugs than ever before in history. And thanks to our efforts, many drug companies are freezing or reversing planned price increases.
  • We reformed the Medicare program to stop hospitals from overcharging low-income seniors on their drugs—saving seniors hundreds of millions of dollars this year alone.
  • Signed Right-To-Try legislation.
  • Secured $6 billion in NEW funding to fight the opioid epidemic.
  • We have reduced high-dose opioid prescriptions by 16 percent during my first year in office.
  • Signed VA Choice Act and VA Accountability Act, expanded VA telehealth services, walk-in-clinics, and same-day urgent primary and mental health care.
  • Increased our coal exports by 60 percent; U.S. oil production recently reached all-time high.
  • United States is a net natural gas exporter for the first time since 1957.
  • Withdrew the United States from the job-killing Paris Climate Accord.
  • Cancelled the illegal, anti-coal, so-called Clean Power Plan.
  • Secured record $700 billion in military funding; $716 billion next year.
  • NATO allies are spending $69 billion more on defense since 2016.
  • Process has begun to make the Space Force the 6th branch of the Armed Forces.
  • Confirmed more circuit court judges than any other new administration.
  • Confirmed Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch and nominated Judge Brett Kavanaugh.
  • Withdrew from the horrible, one-sided Iran Deal.
  • Moved U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem.
  • Protecting Americans from terrorists with the Travel Ban, upheld by Supreme Court.
  • Issued Executive Order to keep open Guantanamo Bay.
  • Concluded a historic U.S.-Mexico Trade Deal to replace NAFTA. And negotiations with Canada are underway as we speak.
  • Reached a breakthrough agreement with the E.U. to increase U.S. exports.
  • Imposed tariffs on foreign steel and aluminum to protect our national security.
  • Imposed tariffs on China in response to China’s forced technology transfer, intellectual property theft, and their chronically abusive trade practices.
  • Net exports are on track to increase by $59 billion this year.
  • Improved vetting and screening for refugees, and switched focus to overseas resettlement.
  • We have begun BUILDING THE WALL. Republicans want STRONG BORDERS and NO CRIME. Democrats want OPEN BORDERS which equals MASSIVE CRIME.
 
ForsythSnow said:
I know you were referencing me and I'm going to say that I don't buy any of it. All of it is nothing anyone is going to care much for and as I said the Horrowitz report is starting to sound like some magical floating diaper that'll shoot lasers and kill liberals when in reality it's nothing more than a pot stirrer. It's not as effective as you think it'll be nor will it be. And you only mentioning those specific people shows the bias. If there was really mass corruption there would be some Republicans too in this expose.
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You are dead wrong. I was not referring to you at all. Who says there won't be Rebubs in the end exposed. Since we all are concerned about getting to the truth and looking at all sources etc., this is for everyone. Professors and msm are not going to tell you everything. Don't you want to know. Think of the implications. You are underestimating the purpose and steps to uncover this by your comments on Horrowitz I think. We all want the truth..
 
Dawgg10 said:
  • 4 million jobs created since election.
  • More Americans are now employed than ever recorded before in our history.
  • We have created more than 400,000 manufacturing jobs since my election.
  • Manufacturing jobs growing at the fastest rate in more than THREE DECADES.
  • Economic growth last quarter hit 4.2 percent.
  • New unemployment claims recently hit a 49-year low.
  • Median household income has hit highest level ever recorded.
  • African-American unemployment has recently achieved the lowest rate ever recorded.
  • Hispanic-American unemployment is at the lowest rate ever recorded.
  • Asian-American unemployment recently achieved the lowest rate ever recorded.
  • Women’s unemployment recently reached the lowest rate in 65 years.
  • Youth unemployment has recently hit the lowest rate in nearly half a century.
  • Lowest unemployment rate ever recorded for Americans without a high school diploma.
  • Under my Administration, veterans’ unemployment recently reached its lowest rate in nearly 20 years.
  • Almost 3.9 million Americans have been lifted off food stamps since the election.
  • The Pledge to America’s Workers has resulted in employers committing to train more than 4 million Americans. We are committed to VOCATIONAL education.
  • 95 percent of U.S. manufacturers are optimistic about the future—the highest ever.
  • Retail sales surged last month, up another 6 percent over last year.
  • Signed the biggest package of tax cuts and reforms in history. After tax cuts, over $300 billion poured back in to the U.S. in the first quarter alone.
  • As a result of our tax bill, small businesses will have the lowest top marginal tax rate in more than 80 years.
  • Helped win U.S. bid for the 2028 Summer Olympics in Los Angeles.
  • Helped win U.S.-Mexico-Canada’s united bid for 2026 World Cup.
  • Opened ANWR and approved Keystone XL and Dakota Access Pipelines.
  • Record number of regulations eliminated.
  • Enacted regulatory relief for community banks and credit unions.
  • Obamacare individual mandate penalty GONE.
  • My Administration is providing more affordable healthcare options for Americans through association health plans and short-term duration plans.
  • Last month, the FDA approved more affordable generic drugs than ever before in history. And thanks to our efforts, many drug companies are freezing or reversing planned price increases.
  • We reformed the Medicare program to stop hospitals from overcharging low-income seniors on their drugs—saving seniors hundreds of millions of dollars this year alone.
  • Signed Right-To-Try legislation.
  • Secured $6 billion in NEW funding to fight the opioid epidemic.
  • We have reduced high-dose opioid prescriptions by 16 percent during my first year in office.
  • Signed VA Choice Act and VA Accountability Act, expanded VA telehealth services, walk-in-clinics, and same-day urgent primary and mental health care.
  • Increased our coal exports by 60 percent; U.S. oil production recently reached all-time high.
  • United States is a net natural gas exporter for the first time since 1957.
  • Withdrew the United States from the job-killing Paris Climate Accord.
  • Cancelled the illegal, anti-coal, so-called Clean Power Plan.
  • Secured record $700 billion in military funding; $716 billion next year.
  • NATO allies are spending $69 billion more on defense since 2016.
  • Process has begun to make the Space Force the 6th branch of the Armed Forces.
  • Confirmed more circuit court judges than any other new administration.
  • Confirmed Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch and nominated Judge Brett Kavanaugh.
  • Withdrew from the horrible, one-sided Iran Deal.
  • Moved U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem.
  • Protecting Americans from terrorists with the Travel Ban, upheld by Supreme Court.
  • Issued Executive Order to keep open Guantanamo Bay.
  • Concluded a historic U.S.-Mexico Trade Deal to replace NAFTA. And negotiations with Canada are underway as we speak.
  • Reached a breakthrough agreement with the E.U. to increase U.S. exports.
  • Imposed tariffs on foreign steel and aluminum to protect our national security.
  • Imposed tariffs on China in response to China’s forced technology transfer, intellectual property theft, and their chronically abusive trade practices.
  • Net exports are on track to increase by $59 billion this year.
  • Improved vetting and screening for refugees, and switched focus to overseas resettlement.
  • We have begun BUILDING THE WALL. Republicans want STRONG BORDERS and NO CRIME. Democrats want OPEN BORDERS which equals MASSIVE CRIME.
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I see this is a copypaste from the trump campaign website.
 
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