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ForsythSnow said:
On the first part, yes, Obama didn't get us moving as fast as we could have, but at the same time, congress and Trump didn't get us out of the wheelchair like we should have been. The spending needs to be reduced before we hit a recession that could turn very severe due to poor economic behavior beforehand.

For part 2, you don't know if the senate will just say "Nah let's not impeach him" Just because they have an R next to their name. If they don't want him in their party, are told real evidence that make his impeachment inevitable, or voting against it and putting their own re-election on the line, they will vote to impeach him. All it takes is about 3 or 5 republicans and all the independents and dems and he will be impeached. The bigger question is will they remove him or not. I think that if they choose impeachment he won't be removed, but that's just my guess.
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I think there is little chance Trump will even get close to being convicted.....there might be 3-4 GOP senators that vote to convict but in the end it wont get anywhere close to the 67 needed, but they could get 50-52 votes that is obviously not enough.....however the Dems may have a trick or two up their sleeves to bring out during the Senate trial phase, even then I think the GOP would offer Trump and Nixon deal first to get him to resign. No one would love to see this happen more than me allowing Pence to name Haley VP and start righting the ship that Trump has foundered......but its a pipe dream really and we will have to stick with the circus that is Trump for a little longer.

Really I think a lot of the reason why the House went ahead with the articles of impeachment is to force those GOP senators in purple and blue districts/states to have to vote to save Trump thus making them more vulnerable.....if the Dems win 3-4 senate seats away from the GOP they will control both houses of Congress ensuring that if Trump wins somehow in 2020 they can shut him down or if Trump loses the Dem's have total control of the government....
 
Downeastnc said:
I think there is little chance Trump will even get close to being convicted.....there might be 3-4 GOP senators that vote to convict but in the end it wont get anywhere close to the 67 needed, but they could get 50-52 votes that is obviously not enough.....however the Dems may have a trick or two up their sleeves to bring out during the Senate trial phase, even then I think the GOP would offer Trump and Nixon deal first to get him to resign. No one would love to see this happen more than me allowing Pence to name Haley VP and start righting the ship that Trump has foundered......but its a pipe dream really and we will have to stick with the circus that is Trump for a little longer.

Really I think a lot of the reason why the House went ahead with the articles of impeachment is to force those GOP senators in purple and blue districts/states to have to vote to save Trump thus making them more vulnerable.....if the Dems win 3-4 senate seats away from the GOP they will control both houses of Congress ensuring that if Trump wins somehow in 2020 they can shut him down or if Trump loses the Dem's have total control of the government....
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They have been trying to overturn the election of Trump from Day 1. The reason why is simple. They can't win on the economy and they have shifted so far left they sure as hell cant win on socialism. They have NOBODY that can beat him period
 
ForsythSnow said:
No, you're fine having your opinion. That's not the part I was saying was wrong. By saying stuff like "A tip of the hat to you, DEMMIES!!!" is not necessary and starts to break the civil discussion. It only fosters divisiveness and causes people to take you less seriously as well. Trust me I don't want this to be a one-sided thread, but name calling and using all caps is one way to not be taken seriously.
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Thanks for your opinion...Think I'll permanently bow out of this political discussion
 
Downeastnc said:
I think there is little chance Trump will even get close to being convicted.....there might be 3-4 GOP senators that vote to convict but in the end it wont get anywhere close to the 67 needed, but they could get 50-52 votes that is obviously not enough.....however the Dems may have a trick or two up their sleeves to bring out during the Senate trial phase, even then I think the GOP would offer Trump and Nixon deal first to get him to resign. No one would love to see this happen more than me allowing Pence to name Haley VP and start righting the ship that Trump has foundered......but its a pipe dream really and we will have to stick with the circus that is Trump for a little longer.

Really I think a lot of the reason why the House went ahead with the articles of impeachment is to force those GOP senators in purple and blue districts/states to have to vote to save Trump thus making them more vulnerable.....if the Dems win 3-4 senate seats away from the GOP they will control both houses of Congress ensuring that if Trump wins somehow in 2020 they can shut him down or if Trump loses the Dem's have total control of the government....
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I forgot that 2/3 of the senate was required. That makes it more believable he won't be impeached, but we never know.
 
Downeastnc said:
I think there is little chance Trump will even get close to being convicted.....there might be 3-4 GOP senators that vote to convict but in the end it wont get anywhere close to the 67 needed, but they could get 50-52 votes that is obviously not enough.....however the Dems may have a trick or two up their sleeves to bring out during the Senate trial phase, even then I think the GOP would offer Trump and Nixon deal first to get him to resign. No one would love to see this happen more than me allowing Pence to name Haley VP and start righting the ship that Trump has foundered......but its a pipe dream really and we will have to stick with the circus that is Trump for a little longer.

Really I think a lot of the reason why the House went ahead with the articles of impeachment is to force those GOP senators in purple and blue districts/states to have to vote to save Trump thus making them more vulnerable.....if the Dems win 3-4 senate seats away from the GOP they will control both houses of Congress ensuring that if Trump wins somehow in 2020 they can shut him down or if Trump loses the Dem's have total control of the government....
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Looks to me that according to what I’m reading the Democrats in Congress in Trump won states are in a much more perilous situation with Impeachment. I’d think if Trump pulls the state he will pull most of the election. The GOP are also dominating the airwaves over the Democrats over impeachment.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.wa...hment-boosts-trump-battleground-states-ahead/
 
Sandbar said:
Perhaps my wording could have been a little more clear. The House will impeach him. When it goes to trial in the Senate the upper hand goes to The President where I feel very confident this round will die a very quick death. I do fully expect the Democrats to go back into the lab and find something else to try and impeach him on because they can't win at the ballot box next year on socialist policies.
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They have as much said so. Al Green. Waiting for future things Trump will do that's impeachable. They are going to deserve everything they get for this behavior.
 
Just a quick lesson in Impeachment, the House has the power to impeach the President. The Senate has a trial to determine whether or not to remove him from office. For example, Clinton was impeached but not removed. I suspect the same will happen for Trump.
 
According to Politico, "A small group of vulnerable House Democrats is floating the long shot idea of censuring President Trump instead of impeaching him". It's the ones in districts Trump won. What a game...I'm sure Nancy will not listen to them. I think they are going to be sorry they ever painted themselves into this corner. Senate was the key all along.
 
Wildboutsnow said:
According to Politico, "A small group of vulnerable House Democrats is floating the long shot idea of censuring President Trump instead of impeaching him". It's the ones in districts Trump won. What a game...I'm sure Nancy will not listen to them. I think they are going to be sorry they ever painted themselves into this corner. Senate was the key all along.
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Pelosi understands the position they are in and probably is fine with them doing this, the Dems already have the votes they need to lock in impeachment they would not have introduced the articles if they didn't....she has a hard yes vote confirmed from enough Dems to pass this.
 
I was at the gym, in the sauna tonight and a guy voiced a political view in which he saw as a fact and another guy threatened him, and got his face and a fight about ensued.. This should not happen, everybody has a right to an opinion and a right to voice their opinion and have civil discussion without being demeaned.
 
EV_WS said:
Name calling is one of my biggest pet peeves in any debate. I've seen it from various posters. Fortunately, its pretty civil here.
We're all Americans first and foremost. :)
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Ad hominem attacks do nothing but invalidate an opinion.


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Bham 99 said:
I was at the gym, in the sauna tonight and a guy voiced a political view in which he saw as a fact and another guy threatened him, and got his face and a fight about ensued.. This should not happen, everybody has a right to an opinion and a right to voice their opinion and have civil discussion without being demeaned.
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In Mother Russia, sauna fights you.


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Flurry said:
Most level headed, patriotic Americans will not forget this...The DEMS have truly embarrassed themselves and shown their true colors...A very sad day for America....However all is not lost....The Senate will shoot this down immediately...The DEMS have all but ensured a Trump re-election...So in a weird way, I guess we should be thanking them...A tip of the hat to you, DEMMIES!!!
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So according to you, i'm neither level headed nor a patriotic American?
 
weatherfide said:
You can't "murder" animals. They do not have any legal rights, well they shouldn't have any legal rights, but now, because of that despicable Trump, it's a felony if you abuse them.
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That is no thanks to trump and you can bet it will not be enforced.
 
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