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I blame a lot of the paranoia on the internet. More than likely, the Coronavirus is once again creating more panic than is warranted and we’ll later look back and realize how overblown the threat was. However, we don’t know that for sure yet.
One thing for sure, the Democrats has better hope Coronavirus really hurts the economy enough to hurt Trump. If it doesn’t his rhetoric against China, not manufacturing goods in the US and the wall will intensify greatly with much more bite and absolutely destroy any chance of him losing. Who knows that may occur even the virus hits pretty hard.
I wonder how open borders and the virus works out in peoples heads. You would think that people for open borders would have been nuts about the talk of disease awhile back with illegals. Nobody seemed to be worried except the right with good sense reasoning. Didn't help the narrative though. I guess they didn't talk about those threats on the MSM although it was a real, still is and especially now with the C virus for Gods Sakes! These games get so old.
Shaggy
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This virus will find it's way into the country a million times more through airlines than boogeymen sneaking cross the border.
ForsythSnow
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Seems that by the market today, Trumps speech isn't doing much in regards to calming fears. I wonder if he only said everything will be completely fine in the US because he wants to save his high stock numbers his base is infatuated with. Today seems to prove he has no effect over calming stock traders's fears over it.
What comes down must come up. I can see record high stock gains when Trump is elected again. Combine that with Mike Pence wanting office down the road I think the American economy is gonna BOoM Boom BOOM
Brent
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Early voting ftw. Open primary too!
Shaggy
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Those booms are the floor shattering under our feet.
Sandbar
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Leave your "trump is a god" bubble for a few minutes and view this as the big picture. It's a different world when you take those blinders off and step out into the real world.
Coronavirus will wipe out corporate profit growth in 2020 and may trigger recession: Goldman Sachs
Let the profit downgrades on Wall Street at the hands of the coronavirus commence.www.yahoo.com
Let me guess. "The hammer is gonna fall"? Kinda like all that horse dung peddled by a few of you during impeachment? We are going to survive and thrive until something else comes along that you folks pray takes hold "just enough" to damage Donald Trump.
ForsythSnow
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This isn't about Donald Trump. The world doesn't revolve around him and him being in the presidency isn't going to mean the market will keep growing. That isn't the economic cycle. Before he was even elected, I had learned about it and had a general idea of when it was going to happen due to history. If Hillary was elected, we'd be in a recession right now. However, you can't prevent the inevitable. The market downturn is coming whether Trump is ready or not. He's getting re-elected and I'm more worried of if congress and him will be smart enough not to try accelerating the economic processes as we pass the peak.
Sandbar
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No bull market last forever my man but "downturns" dont have to mean full blown panic with people jumping out windows and swallowing cyanide capsules. My wife sales real estate. She deals with financial people every day. If we scale back it just offers a different opportunity. If we do slow down i know who i want leading the way back up.
Logical thinking.
NCSNOW
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Trump is a Captialist, America First , believer in Democracy who governs by whats best for America. Who beleives Government needs to get out of the way of entrepreneur minded american citizens.
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Democrats/Moderates/Socialist/progressives etc who are globalist and think government is the solution to any and all problems. They want everyone to depend on them ,government solely.
Thats the difference in Trump verse the Moderate,DNC,Socialist,Globalist. In 6 months everyone can vote and decide if you want a president who will tickle your ear, speak politically correct, and claim he/she feels your pain or you can elect to a second term a president who puts America interest first, AND GETS RESULTS FOR ALL AMERICANS.
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tractor girl
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Kind of like how some run to the government when they want to refuse service to someone due to their sexual orientation?
Huh? Can you explain this more please? I don't get it.
NCSNOW
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I love the open,cordial discussion on here. Even the posters who have a polar opposite world view from mine. What makes reading posting over here enjoyable. Hats off to everyone in all seriousness.
So Im asking a question out of curiosity. Obviously some of you are not voting for the Trumpster. You despise his character etc. Points are well made.
So who are you behind? Why dont you spend time really defending , speaking up for what you beleive in? Your candidate of choice? Its fine to hurl your view of Trump, no problem and thats part of the political forum, free speach at its finest.
But I never read a post from you guys promoting who you will vote for come November. It has to be Bernie,Biden,the mayor,Warren,Minnesota Gal,The Billionaire.
Why should a God,Family,Country guy like myself, embrace the left ideology and kick out of office a president who not only talks,but actually does what he says hes gonna do?
So Im asking a question out of curiosity. Obviously some of you are not voting for the Trumpster. You despise his character etc. Points are well made.
So who are you behind? Why dont you spend time really defending , speaking up for what you beleive in? Your candidate of choice? Its fine to hurl your view of Trump, no problem and thats part of the political forum, free speach at its finest.
But I never read a post from you guys promoting who you will vote for come November. It has to be Bernie,Biden,the mayor,Warren,Minnesota Gal,The Billionaire.
Why should a God,Family,Country guy like myself, embrace the left ideology and kick out of office a president who not only talks,but actually does what he says hes gonna do?
Shaggy
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Mistake number 1 is thinking that it's either trump or the Democrats. Its neither for me.
Sort of along the lines of NCSNOW's post above. I can't understand why the democrats don't get some ideas together about what they are going to do for the American people and pound them home. Stick to them. Be excited. Facts and paths to get them done. If I were in their shoes or in a situation similar, I would not give so much time to the opponent and try to outshine and woo with my own fabulous ideas etc. (Women don't get roses on the Bachelor for that behavior all the time. BAHAHAH). What they do seems more like mean girl Middle School stuff. They would have a whole lot bigger chance at actually getting elected if they would actually say something that a majority likes and needs. Not just out doing the next one on crazy.
Tom Steyer killed me at the last debate. They all did but he just seemed so desperate to up the ante and so proud that he was the only one for reparations and 22 dollar minimum wage. What's he going to say next time? 44 dollars? I guess they are having a hard time finding things to say that is better than what is already being done but damn. Also too, I don't think they have ever had to work so hard because everybody was just brain dead and was ok being spoon fed trash.
Tom Steyer killed me at the last debate. They all did but he just seemed so desperate to up the ante and so proud that he was the only one for reparations and 22 dollar minimum wage. What's he going to say next time? 44 dollars? I guess they are having a hard time finding things to say that is better than what is already being done but damn. Also too, I don't think they have ever had to work so hard because everybody was just brain dead and was ok being spoon fed trash.
Shaggy
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Pretty clear answer I gave no sure what the question mark is for?
NCSNOW
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You writing in Brick Tamland, Shettley,Mack??
tractor girl
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Because I'm never going to persuade you to step out of the echo chamber and listen to another way of seeing things. America is deeply divided because of our unwillingness to bend an ear and accept that another view different from our own may be a better way. I listen to Rush/Sean several times a week just to hear what the other side is thinking or at least what listeners of those shows are programmed to think.
I'm weary of the political divide. Almost regret posting in this thread because of the hostility that often goes with political discourse in these times.
Since you asked, Sanders is my first choice then Warren. I could hold my nose and vote for any of the other candidates apart from Bloomberg. The reason I support Sanders is that the dude has stayed on his message for 40+ years. When he recently said that we live in a socialist country - for the wealthy - that really resonated with me. It's what I've been thinking for many years.
I'm ready for the poor to see benefits of this amazing economy that is working so well for bankers, hedge fund managers, and the like. I especially want to know that everyone has health care no matter their employment status or income level. Yeah, that's gonna mean an increase in taxes on the super wealthy. Medicare for All would be super disruptive to the insurance industry, but dang, maybe some things NEED to die if they are ultimately causing more harm than good. Two years ago I waited 11 hours to be seen in the ER. I have excellent insurance through my employer (who owns the hospital I went to). I've had claims denied because of loopholes in coverages. Our healthcare system today sucks, it's over priced, bloated and has ridiculous wait times for critical services. ACA is propping up a corpse. The whole thing needs to go.
I like a few things that Trump has going on, such as at least *talking* about bringing manufacturing back and buying American made products. I don't even mind some of the protectionist economic policies he has. I'm sure if I looked hard enough I'd find a few other things I at least am partly ok with, but this hard working gal still believes he's got to go.
I'm weary of the political divide. Almost regret posting in this thread because of the hostility that often goes with political discourse in these times.
Since you asked, Sanders is my first choice then Warren. I could hold my nose and vote for any of the other candidates apart from Bloomberg. The reason I support Sanders is that the dude has stayed on his message for 40+ years. When he recently said that we live in a socialist country - for the wealthy - that really resonated with me. It's what I've been thinking for many years.
I'm ready for the poor to see benefits of this amazing economy that is working so well for bankers, hedge fund managers, and the like. I especially want to know that everyone has health care no matter their employment status or income level. Yeah, that's gonna mean an increase in taxes on the super wealthy. Medicare for All would be super disruptive to the insurance industry, but dang, maybe some things NEED to die if they are ultimately causing more harm than good. Two years ago I waited 11 hours to be seen in the ER. I have excellent insurance through my employer (who owns the hospital I went to). I've had claims denied because of loopholes in coverages. Our healthcare system today sucks, it's over priced, bloated and has ridiculous wait times for critical services. ACA is propping up a corpse. The whole thing needs to go.
I like a few things that Trump has going on, such as at least *talking* about bringing manufacturing back and buying American made products. I don't even mind some of the protectionist economic policies he has. I'm sure if I looked hard enough I'd find a few other things I at least am partly ok with, but this hard working gal still believes he's got to go.
NCSNOW
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tractor girl you should never hesitate regret posting in this thread. Kudos to you for speaking your point of view. Of course some will agree with you, others like me want. Thanks for stating your opinion. We all try to up each other, make an attempt to jab , be funny at times. Its all in good faith.
Shaggy
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Believing it's one or the other is mental slavery IMO.
I dont support the liberal fiscal policies but support their social policies in many cases. I could vote for a liberal just not one of the current lot running. I'm not trying to convince you to vote D because i dont plan on doing it myself.
That doesnt mean I have to like or support such a corrupt, inept, and unqualified Republican like trump.
NCSNOW
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Something to think about , when the left says medicare for all. My parents had / have that, Dad 81 and mom recently succumbed to altheimers. But both also had to get supplemental insurance. Hit doughnut hole with meds etc. So that medicare for all, is fools gold, we would all still need additional insurance, just wouldnt cover enough unless your in great health etc. Just my opinion, observation.
Who would you be thinking about is what I was thinking.
Shaggy
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Right now nobody has my vote.
What he said. The most important thing no matter if we are fearful, frustrated, mad etc., is that we are having the conversation. Ups, downs or whatever, we are all Americans and without communication we would get nowhere.
tractor girl
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That's an important distinction. M4A that isn't properly funded would absolutely be fools gold as you put it. Put enough funds in the system and it will work as well as most other public-funded healthcare systems in the world. It's when people sabotage systems due to greed or financial gain that they tend to not work very well.
Would we even be able to get supplemental ins. at that point or would those companies be brought down?
tractor girl
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Private ins would still be available. But since the vast majority of folks would be under M4A, the market would be signifigantly smaller - so not as much need, a lot of those ins companies would probably go out of business (just like the carraige manufacturers did)
Sandbar
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Who to vote for isnt complicated in my opinion and I have always made it real simple even while spending the majority of my adult life fighting a war. Is my family better off than it was 4 years ago? Was the answer to that question due in part to who I voted for, the person looking at me in the mirror or a combination of both. My dad, a veteran himself gave me some advice a long time ago. He told me to always trust my gut instincts, to love my country, my family, and to serve my God first and foremost. He also taught me to keeo my emotions in check when making decisions big and small.
Trump checks the boxes that are important to me and my family and that's all that really matters. I gambled on the man and that gamble paid off and will continue to pay off. If for some reason it stops paying off I can assure you that this ole frogman can indeed lift myself up by my bootstraps!
Trump checks the boxes that are important to me and my family and that's all that really matters. I gambled on the man and that gamble paid off and will continue to pay off. If for some reason it stops paying off I can assure you that this ole frogman can indeed lift myself up by my bootstraps!
Downeastnc
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I still cant fathom how we as a nation ended up thinking HIllary and Trump were the two best options for President....it truly amazes me that in a nation as great as this those two idiots were the most viable options voters had......
GeorgiaGirl
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Let’s consider the highly unlikely world that he were to win the nomination. Most of Bernie’s ideas are so radical that I can’t see them getting through. One that I can resonate with because it’s involving a field that I’m trying to get into is Medicare 4 all. From what I’ve read and understand, with this alone if it were to pass, the numbers to pay for it just doesn’t add up unless you can find something like 32.6 trillion a year.
That doesn’t mean I can vote for Trump either. If this does track how it seems, it’s a case where I don’t like either main candidates.
That doesn’t mean I can vote for Trump either. If this does track how it seems, it’s a case where I don’t like either main candidates.
If Bernie doesn't get taken out by the dems and somehow miraculously wins, we are quitting our jobs. What's the point my husband said. My daughter will quit school too. I think a lot of people will quit. That's going to be the attitude of many people and that's going to be a huge problem and bye bye USA as we ever knew it. Many working people that have been aiding the people who already quit and play the system, will join that group. Going to be a little problem there. The rich that have worked to be rich will fall too. Doesn't just apply to Bernie but any socialist/communist.
Sounds better on paper I suppose. I like the idea of how we were all raised basically. Goals. Strive to get a job that offers benefits and good insurance. Some did and some didn't but everybody had the choice. Right now especially with Trump, there's jobs and opportunities more so than ever. So nobody really has the excuse that there are not jobs etc. like in the past. So many hiring signs and new plants being built all around here. I guess I like the idea of managing our money, getting things back on track for the people before I would like to pay all my money to help people that don't help themselves and go to that sort of system. People do need opportunities though and the healthcare system is ridiculous (partly because of Obamacare). Needs to get better for sure.
ghost1
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You and I are on nearly the same train. I wrote in Kasich in 16. Maybe him again in 20 idk. Hopeful the Dems don't nominate Sanders or Warren because I can't go that liberal. Trump is the most corrupt Pres since LBJ and trashes the Constitution repeatedly. Weld is the only Repub with the guts to stand up to him... the rest are like his female dogs in heat.
Brent
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just wait til Sanders vs Trump... its coming I think
or its gonna be a bloodbath at the convention in July if its not probably
You’re thinking too black and white in putting moderates in the same bucket as progressives and socialists. Also, there are actually some conservatives who don’t like Trump because of his character and behavior, which includes being highly disrespectful to so many people. As far as I’m concerned, it isn’t an ideological problem as I agree with many of his policies. I consider myself a right of center independent (a conservative moderate if you will) who has voted mainly GOP for several decades including by far the greatest POTUS of my lifetime, Reagan. One reason I’m right of center rather than far right is because I believe in the two sides communicating and compromising with each other. That’s because if we’re going to become one nation again, neither side can have everything their way. I’d prefer the conservative view over the liberal view in most cases, but I’m fine with some compromise, too, especially if that would bring us together somewhat as one nation instead of the red vs blue tribalism nonsense that is so dominant.
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