Pattern Muddy March 2021

[Webberweather53]

I just came across this gem from the Fayetteville Observer (Fayetteville, NC) dated April 29, 1858. I didn't even think it could snow that late in April down here in Fayetteville (granted much cooler climate back then too).

"Great Snow Storm - It was snowing rapidly when our paper went to press on Monday, and continued till about sundown, during which we suppose from the extraordinary size and number of the snow flakes, as much snow fell as during any several hours of winter. It would probably have been six or eight inches deep but for the thawing process as it fell to the ground. As it was, the roofs of house, etc were covered to the depth of an inch or two; and much of it remained till Tuesday (Apr 27), when it disappeared before the beams of a bright sun. The last we saw of it was at 3 P.M. on Tuesday”

 

[SD]

I just came across this gem from the Fayetteville Observer (Fayetteville, NC) dated April 29, 1858. I didn't even think it could snow that late in April down here in Fayetteville (granted much cooler climate back then too).

"Great Snow Storm - It was snowing rapidly when our paper went to press on Monday, and continued till about sundown, during which we suppose from the extraordinary size and number of the snow flakes, as much snow fell as during any several hours of winter. It would probably have been six or eight inches deep but for the thawing process as it fell to the ground. As it was, the roofs of house, etc were covered to the depth of an inch or two; and much of it remained till Tuesday (Apr 27), when it disappeared before the beams of a bright sun. The last we saw of it was at 3 P.M. on Tuesday”

Need to finish my time machine quicker

 

[SD]

That gfs run was problematic wrt severe

 

[Myfrotho704_]

Yep

 

[GaWx]

The 12Z GEFS concurs about the very chilly weekend:

 

[LickWx]

I just came across this gem from the Fayetteville Observer (Fayetteville, NC) dated April 29, 1858. I didn't even think it could snow that late in April down here in Fayetteville (granted much cooler climate back then too).

"Great Snow Storm - It was snowing rapidly when our paper went to press on Monday, and continued till about sundown, during which we suppose from the extraordinary size and number of the snow flakes, as much snow fell as during any several hours of winter. It would probably have been six or eight inches deep but for the thawing process as it fell to the ground. As it was, the roofs of house, etc were covered to the depth of an inch or two; and much of it remained till Tuesday (Apr 27), when it disappeared before the beams of a bright sun. The last we saw of it was at 3 P.M. on Tuesday”

Can't recall which year it was but there was once a year It snowed in Atlanta/Athens and I think Macon in that same time period with highs in the low and mid 30s. 1920s i think.

 

[GaWx]

This information is great, do you (or anyone else here (@GaWx for ex)? have links to these & any more information you've gathered from this event? I'm trying to make a general map of the event for St Patrick's Day tomorrow & was curious?

My research suggests there was no wintry precip at ATL on 3/17/1885 although it is possible there was a small amount on 3/18/1885 based on this:

1885-03-17	65	37	51.0	-3.6	14	0	0.00
1885-03-18	47	29	38.0	-16.9	27	0	0.04

Regarding 3/22/1885, there is a higher chance ATL got something wintry as the low was 30 and they got 0.15" of liquid. If I were still in ATL, I'd go to the library and check the newspapers from 3/23/1885 to see if they got any wintry precip. on 3/22:

1885-03-22

44

30

37.0

-18.9

28

0

0.15

At the very least, ATL got a cold rain on 3/22/1885. What's for sure is that the 2nd half of March of 1885 was very cold.

Aside: ATL got 3" of snow 3/19-20/1876 per the 3/21/1876 ATL Constitution that I saved!

 

[Webberweather53]

My research suggests there was no wintry precip at ATL on 3/17/1885 although it is possible there was a small amount on 3/18/1885 based on this:

1885-03-17	65	37	51.0	-3.6	14	0	0.00
1885-03-18	47	29	38.0	-16.9	27	0	0.04

Regarding 3/22/1885, there is a higher chance ATL got something wintry as the low was 30 and they got 0.15" of liquid. If I were still in ATL, I'd go to the library and check the newspapers from 3/23/1885 to see if they got any wintry precip. on 3/22:

1885-03-22

44

30

37.0

-18.9

28

0

0.15

At the very least, ATL got a cold rain on 3/22/1885. What's for sure is that the 2nd half of March of 1885 was very cold.

Aside: ATL got 3" of snow 3/19-20/1876 per the 3/21/1876 ATL Constitution that I saved!

Interesting thanks for this info. In that same year Raleigh got 13” of snow on December 25, 1876.

 

[BHS1975]

Interesting thanks for this info. In that same year Raleigh got 13” of snow on December 25, 1876.

Man would be nice to get winters like that again.


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[GaWx]

Can't recall which year it was but there was once a year It snowed in Atlanta/Athens and I think Macon in that same time period with highs in the low and mid 30s. 1920s i think.

ATL got a big one with 4.0" of snow on 3/13-14/1924. That was then the biggest March snow there to date back to the late 1800s although that storm was nearly matched by 3/2/1942's 3.7" and was matched on 3/11/1960. It was far exceeded on 3/24/1983 with 7.9" and barely exceeded by 3/13/1993's and 3/1/2009's 4.2".

1924-03-13	46	31	38.5	-15.1	26	0	0.43
1924-03-14	38	31	34.5	-19.4	30	0	0.10

Other GA amounts: Athens 1.5"; Columbus and Macon: 2.0"

 

[GaWx]

Temps exceeding expectations in this area with already 78-79 at 1 PM.

Edit:

Already highs of 82 as of 2 PM, well above earlier expectations. What's new?


SAVANNAH ARPT CLOUDY 80 61 52 SW13 30.04F
6HR MIN TEMP: 57; 6HR MAX TEMP: 82;

HUNTER AAF PTSUNNY 79 63 57 S5 30.02F
6HR MIN TEMP: 58; 6HR MAX TEMP: 82;

 

[GaWx]

Can't recall which year it was but there was once a year It snowed in Atlanta/Athens and I think Macon in that same time period with highs in the low and mid 30s. 1920s i think.

I just realized you were talking about late April although it was in 1910. On 4/25/1910, ATL got an incredible 1.5" and with a high of only 39!!

1910-04-25

39

32

35.5

-29.0

29

0

0.23

AHN got a trace:

1910-04-25

50

42

46.0

-18.0

19

0

0.05

T

MCN also got a T:

1910-04-25

54

36

45.0

-20.7

20

0

0.05

T

COL also got a T:

1910-04-25

63

38

50.5

-16.5

14

0

0.07

T

*Edited for correction and added info about other cities in GA.

 

[SENC]

I just came across this gem from the Fayetteville Observer (Fayetteville, NC) dated April 29, 1858. I didn't even think it could snow that late in April down here in Fayetteville (granted much cooler climate back then too).

"Great Snow Storm - It was snowing rapidly when our paper went to press on Monday, and continued till about sundown, during which we suppose from the extraordinary size and number of the snow flakes, as much snow fell as during any several hours of winter. It would probably have been six or eight inches deep but for the thawing process as it fell to the ground. As it was, the roofs of house, etc were covered to the depth of an inch or two; and much of it remained till Tuesday (Apr 27), when it disappeared before the beams of a bright sun. The last we saw of it was at 3 P.M. on Tuesday”

Spring "Snow Storms" in the Data base for Wilmington, NC, since 1870..

EDIT: Messed up My formatting,, 3/22/1883, We received 2" inches of the white stuff.. HERE on the Coast..

3/22/1883​	3/22/1883​	​ 3/30/1915​ 3/31/1915​ 1.0​ 3/15/1934​ 3/15/1934​ 1.0​
		3/26/1947​ 3/26/1947​ 0.1​
		3/24/1983​ 3/25/1983​ 4.2​

 

[NickyBGuarantee]

I BELIEVE WE WILL SEE OUR MARCH FLAKES WE MUST ... now that the NAM is on my side ... we must ride. It’s me and the NAM against the forum now

 

[NickyBGuarantee]

me and the NAM ... that’s all we got

 

[Eric]

This information is great, do you (or anyone else here (@GaWx for ex)? have links to these & any more information you've gathered from this event? I'm trying to make a general map of the event for St Patrick's Day tomorrow & was curious?

The articles I posted came from the 'Monthly Weather Review' journal for March 1885 at the American Meteorological Society website and the March 19, 1885 issue of The New York Times. In the old days you could simply click on an article from The New York Times to view it. Now you have to sign up to their "TimesMachine" to view past articles.

https://journals.ametsoc.org/view/journals/mwre/mwre-overview.xml?contents=all-volumes

THE TEMPERATURE BELOW ZERO. (Published 1885)

www.nytimes.com

 

[SD]

What a wudge

 

[GaWx]

The articles I posted came from the 'Monthly Weather Review' journal for March 1885 at the American Meteorological Society website and the March 19, 1885 issue of The New York Times. In the old days you could simply click on an article from The New York Times to view it. Now you have to sign up to their "TimesMachine" to view past articles.

https://journals.ametsoc.org/view/journals/mwre/mwre-overview.xml?contents=all-volumes

THE TEMPERATURE BELOW ZERO. (Published 1885)

www.nytimes.com

From the Monthly Weather Review, I just found the following regarding March of 1885 at ATL and at Augusta:

"SLEET
Georgia.-Atlanta and Augusta, 18th"

From elsewhere, here was what ATL had that day:

1885-03-18

47

29

38.0

-16.9

27

0

0.04

And Augusta:

1885-03-18

55

35

45.0

-11.5

20

0

0.02

 

[GaWx]

An amazing 35 F contrast at 3 PM between KSAV at 81 with SW winds and Monck's Corner just N of Charleston with NE winds within the wedge!

SAVANNAH ARPT CLOUDY 81 60 48 SW10 30.02F
MONCKS CORNER CLOUDY 46 46 100 NE6 30.07F

 

[smast16]

What a wudge

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Thanks, I hate it.

 

[JakkelWx]

What a wudge

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Wudges suck!

 

[Myfrotho704_]

Wudges suck!

There terrible

 

[ryan1234]

There terrible

I mean, yeah they suck at times. But we really needed the rain and wedges tend to produce rain for us.

 

[NickyBGuarantee]

?? we will get our March flakes! Keep the streak alive!

 

[NickyBGuarantee]

Damn this is going to go from warm and severe to cold dry and some flurries lol

 

[GaWx]

The GFS op, which is not as cold biased as most other models, has me not getting out of the 50s all weekend long with solid NE winds. It shows only 48 for the daytime high on Saturday along with cloudy and light rain enhanced by a weak low offshore well to the SE. It's projecting a high the evening before only in the low 50s, which would be some 10 BN vs the coldest midwinter norm highs!

 

[Myfrotho704_]

Models starting to hint at yet another synoptic scale pattern favorable for severe weather, it’s springtime

 

[GaWx]

The GFS op, which is not as cold biased as most other models, has me not getting out of the 50s all weekend long with solid NE winds. It shows only 48 for the daytime high on Saturday along with cloudy and light rain enhanced by a weak low offshore well to the SE. It's projecting a high the evening before only in the low 50s, which would be some 10 BN vs the coldest midwinter norm highs!

The 0Z GFS is even a little colder than the 18Z with only ~45 throughout the afternoon for the SAV area. At the same time, while raining 850s are down to a mere +1 to +2, which is within the prime territory for sleet especially when there is a wedge with steady precip. and the surface is near or below 32. Well the surface won't be anywhere near 32, but I still wonder if there is a chance for a few pellets to be mixed with the cold rain. That has actually occurred as late as March 28th (in 1955)! Regardless, this weekend is going to resemble a cold midwinter period as the normal high for mid Jan is a much higher 60.

Check out these cold anomalies! Way on down at Waycross, GA, it is raining with only 42-43 much of the afternoon!

 

[jackendrickwx]

Dense fog this morning.

 

[Myfrotho704_]

??

 

[Webberweather53]

Wilmington probably had rain

It was a snow/sleet mix there, looks like a crusty accumulation less than an inch or so fell. 6-10" was reported near Burgaw. #shafted

 

[Webberweather53]

Flashback to St. Patrick's Day 1885 - Charlotte received nearly 10" of snow on March 17-18. Another snowstorm several days later on March 22 dropped 2" of snow on the city.

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I found an even more impressive total from the Danbury Reporter on March 26, 1885 that reported 15" fell in Fayetteville on the previous weekend (the 2nd storm on Mar 21-22)

“The snow was 15 inches deep in Fayetteville and 7 inches in Bennettsville…”

 

[Blue_Ridge_Escarpment]

Severe to snow in 18 hours. This is why we love NC weather.

 

[Webberweather53]

I made a pair of maps for the winter storms that struck the Carolinas in mid-March 1885. Looked thru a ton of old newspaper reports, AMS MWR (thanks @Eric & @GaWx), paired w/ NOAA's 20th century reanalysis version 3 for a synoptic overview.

15" fell in Fayetteville in the 2nd storm on the 21st-22nd.

 

[Eric]

I made a pair of maps for the winter storms that struck the Carolinas in mid-March 1885. Looked thru a ton of old newspaper reports, AMS MWR (thanks @Eric & @GaWx), paired w/ NOAA's 20th century reanalysis version 3 for a synoptic overview.

15" fell in Fayetteville in the 2nd storm on the 21st-22nd.

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Excellent! I think history repeated itself in late March and early April 1915.

 

[Downeastnc]

I made a pair of maps for the winter storms that struck the Carolinas in mid-March 1885. Looked thru a ton of old newspaper reports, AMS MWR (thanks @Eric & @GaWx), paired w/ NOAA's 20th century reanalysis version 3 for a synoptic overview.

15" fell in Fayetteville in the 2nd storm on the 21st-22nd.

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So the return time on a event like this is only 100 yrs lol.....good thing I was around for the 1985 one since we wont see that again until 2085....

 

[smast16]

I dunno guys... I smelly smell a bust coming today with this CAD. feeling like NickyCAD is gonna win out today.

 

[Webberweather53]

So the return time on a event like this is only 100 yrs lol.....good thing I was around for the 1985 one since we wont see that again until 2085....

Nah it shouldn’t say 1985, it’s 1885

 

[Webberweather53]

Uh oh what is this

 

[SD]

Uh oh what is this

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But why.