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Pattern Jammin' January

GFS going back and forth for most of NC. Had rain last night and now showing a winter storm for the same time next week. Hopefully, the models will trend more wintry starting today. I did see the GFS had snow here down the road for Feb 1, but it would be nice not to start kicking the can down the road and see more winter storms on the models for next week. GEFS looks okay, but we are inside a week now and need to see some consistency with the ops if we have a legit shot at a winter storm for most of NC next week.
 
GFS going back and forth for most of NC. Had rain last night and now showing a winter storm for the same time next week. Hopefully, the models will trend more wintry starting today. I did see the GFS had snow here down the road for Feb 1, but it would be nice not to start kicking the can down the road and see more winter storms on the models for next week. GEFS looks okay, but we are inside a week now and need to see some consistency with the ops if we have a legit shot at a winter storm for most of NC next week.

Let’s see if GFS can hold on to that winter storm. For more then one run


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FV3 was first to sniff out the developing wave IIRC.

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GFS going back and forth for most of NC. Had rain last night and now showing a winter storm for the same time next week. Hopefully, the models will trend more wintry starting today. I did see the GFS had snow here down the road for Feb 1, but it would be nice not to start kicking the can down the road and see more winter storms on the models for next week. GEFS looks okay, but we are inside a week now and need to see some consistency with the ops if we have a legit shot at a winter storm for most of NC next week.

It was rain at 0z for us, but barely and buried all VA. Its all about how clean the vort can seperate on the southern end. Also at 6z gfs if you look while our energy is in GOM around hr 150ish youll notice on 500 vort a big chunk of ns energy droppong down into the backside of our low coming up the front. Lots more potential with that if it can phase in.
 
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This setup on the GFS is a pretty classic look for a winter storm but requires the northern stream to get out ahead of everything to set the stage for the following two waves. This and the trailing wave need to both be watched closely... fun times ahead!
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I think SC needs that secondary to hold off and form once that frontal boundary pushes through a bit further. Nothing super intriguing about where we’re at currently for us. You guys to the west look to be sitting in a pretty good spot. Reel it in guys and gals
 
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I think SC needs that secondary to hold off and form once that frontal boundary pushes through a. bit further. Nothing super intriguing about where we’re at currently for us. You guys to the west look to be sitting in a pretty good spot. Reel it in guys and gals

I think the euro gave us 1-2 inches. And gfs gave us more like 3-5’’ if we got a inch if me more then grateful


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The GEFS and EPS are in good agreement on the MJO progressing through the warm phases 4-5 at moderate amplitude or near 2 over the next 5-7 days before going back to inside the COD 1/26 or 1/27. That’s where it becomes favorable for SE cold. The EPS goes into phase 7 inside COD whereas GEFS goes inside into phase 6. Whereas inside COD 6 has averaged chilly, inside phase 7 has averaged even colder with inside phase 8 having averaged the coldest (see diagram below for Jan 1975-2014 at KATL). So, I hope the EPS’ inside 7 ends up being closer than GEFS’ inside 7. What I really hope for is the actual to verify a little to the left of the EPS with it going inside phase 7 followed by inside phase 8 and then inside 1-3, a realistic possibility. A long time in these inside phases would be best for cold in the SE.
Here is the diagram:
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The GEFS and EPS are in good agreement on the MJO progressing through the warm phases 4-5 at moderate amplitude or near 2 over the next 5-7 days before going back to inside the COD 1/26 or 1/27. That’s where it becomes favorable for SE cold. The EPS goes into phase 7 inside COD whereas GEFS goes inside into phase 6. Whereas inside COD 6 has averaged chilly, inside phase 7 has averaged even colder with inside phase 8 having averaged the coldest (see diagram below for Jan 1975-2014 at KATL). So, I hope the EPS’ inside 7 ends up being closer than GEFS’ inside 7. What I really hope for is the actual to verify a little to the left of the EPS with it going inside phase 7 followed by inside phase 8, a realistic possibility

Ventrice said the following about the MJO this morning:
"The MJO is decaying. Lines up nicely with the predicted warming (cooling) in the equatorial (polar) stratosphere, weakening the Brewer-Dobson circulation. Don't expect much out of the MJO during the month of February."

Thoughts??
 
Yep, looking good for Tennessee for the next 10 days or so. Parts of Alabama and Georgia look to get in on some action too, not to the extent Tn does but at least something.
 
hslc event for the gulf coast this weekend ?

It's possible.

...SUMMARY...
Scattered storms, some severe, are expected across parts of the Gulf
Coast states on Saturday with damaging wind gusts and perhaps a
tornado or two.

...Synopsis...
A potent shortwave trough will continue east out of TX and into the
Lower MS Valley during the day with low pressure moving from eastern
AR across KY and TN. A cold front will trail southward from the low,
progressing across MS and AL during the day and into northwest GA by
00Z. Southerly surface winds will allow low 60s F dewpoints to
return north, with strong veering winds with height favoring severe
storms despite marginal instability.


Overnight, the surface low will move off the Delmarva with the cold
front affecting eastern NC into Sunday morning. Here, instability
for strong or severe storms is forecast to remain mostly offshore.

...Southeast LA...MS...AL...FL Panhandle...Southwest GA...
Ongoing storms across the Lower MS Valley Saturday morning are
forecast to consolidate along the cold front into central MS by 18Z,
and continue eastward into AL through afternoon. Large looping
hodographs combined with sufficient instability will favor line
segments, possibly QLCS in nature, or perhaps a supercell or two
capable of a brief tornado
. Damaging winds appear to be the primary
threat across the Slight Risk area with 850 mb winds of 50-60 kt. By
evening, as the front progresses into GA, the risk is expected to
wane as instability becomes less, and large-scale lift shifts
northeast of the area. Still, a few damaging wind gusts may occur
into GA.

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Ventrice said the following about the MJO this morning:
"The MJO is decaying. Lines up nicely with the predicted warming (cooling) in the equatorial (polar) stratosphere, weakening the Brewer-Dobson circulation. Don't expect much out of the MJO during the month of February."

Thoughts??

“Decaying” MJO has been a good thing for SE cold as my diagram based on 40 Jans of data clearly shows. If I were to do this diagram for just weak to moderate El Niño’s, it would even be that much colder inside the COD, especially left side. I posted about this a couple of weeks back. So, we want decaying, especially into the left side of the COD. These very weak or decaying MJO paths into the left side have clearly been associated with the coldest on average SE, especially during weak to moderate Nino’s. Look at how much colder it was when we decayed into phases 8 and 1 recently vs earlier in the month.
 
Well as its about time for the 12z models to roll out. Here's my theme song I play around the house every time I complete a project, fix all the broken appliances the wifey claims cant be repaired using her negotiating swagger for a new one('s). Enjoy! Its a tribute to the ole man GFS, his last stand before being retired to the fv3

 
“Decaying” MJO has been a good thing for SE cold as my diagram based on 40 Jans of data clearly shows. If I were to do this diagram for just weak to moderate El Niño’s, it would even be that much colder inside the COD, especially left side. I posted about this a couple of weeks back. So, we want decaying, especially into the left side of the COD. These very weak or decaying MJO paths into the left side have clearly been associated with the coldest on average SE, especially during weak to moderate Nino’s. Look at how much colder it was when we decayed into phases 8 and 1 recently vs earlier in the month.
Have you studied or made diagrams for the months of February or any other winter months? It would be interesting to see the correlations there as the wave patterns are different during different times the year and the MJO may have different effects based on that. They may not be all that different from say Jan compared to February but I would imagine the data may change some.
 
Have you studied or made diagrams for the months of February or any other winter months? It would be interesting to see the correlations there as the wave patterns are different during different times the year and the MJO may have different effects based on that. They may not be all that different from say Jan compared to February but I would imagine the data may change some.

Excellent question. No, I didn’t do diagrams for any other months. However, the first part of the trek inside the COD is projected to start 1/26 or 1/27, meaning 5-6 days in cold phases in Jan. Secondly, if I had done a diagram for the first half of Feb, especially in weak to moderate El Niño’s, I believe it would still show similar cold. So no worries there.
 
Ventrice said the following about the MJO this morning:
"The MJO is decaying. Lines up nicely with the predicted warming (cooling) in the equatorial (polar) stratosphere, weakening the Brewer-Dobson circulation. Don't expect much out of the MJO during the month of February."

Thoughts??

If the MJO does indeed Decay,this would be great news.The MJO has been the main reason why we have been warm most of the winter to this point. From what I read,we tend to do better far as cold and winter weather is concerned when the MJO is a non factor.
 
And the CMC also continues with the wave/storm in question...by on day six it has a 990 LP over KY. This model has been consistently farther west than the rest of the medium range guidance.
 
If the MJO does indeed Decay,this would be great news.The MJO has been the main reason why we have been warm most of the winter to this point. From what I read,we tend to do better far as cold and winter weather is concerned when the MJO is a non factor.
not trying be Debbie downer... but im afraid that hurt us... mjo plays major factor imo,,,
 
GFS is really digging our energy into Mexico, I really like this look. The more it digs, in theory, the more it should allow the northern stream wave to get in front of it and bring the cold air in quicker. The thing to watch out for will be the trailing wave so that it doesn't slow down too much, phase and cut.
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Well that’s encouraging

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Well,the 6z GEFS does have weaker west coast ridging but more Greenland blocking and a deeper trough in the east.As long we don't completely lose the west coast ridging, the tend towards stronger ridging in Greenland could really help us going forward in February.
 
if we cant get the mjo to progress to phases least 6 7... agree larry?


Yes, it would be best to progress to 7-8-1-2-3 but weaker, including barely outside, near, or inside the COD 7-8-1-2-3, would be much better for SE US cold prospects based on 1975-2014 data vs if it stayed well outside the COD/stronger in 7-8-1-2-3.
 
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