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Misc Fall - End of 2019 Whamby

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It’s not as simple as this but it’s basically what we needs. Green is good and red is bad. MJO wants to stay in red more then green. Yes we might had a 7-10 day window in January but she heads to red where she wants to stay because of the active IOD. I don’t think January will do it and February doesn’t look great but might be ok I’ve she can come back to the green side. Yes it’s my opinion and I’m not a Met but I’ve seen this movie before and I’m going on past winters like this one. I was wrong on my prediction and I was wrong last year. I look forward to some strong ninos and la ninas. This weak crap is poop. Merry Christmas


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If we crap the bed and not get a single storm all year I'm done with winter! That would be too much after the disaster last year!
 
If we crap the bed and not get a single storm all year I'm done with winter! That would be too much after the disaster last year!

I think we get a storm or 2 but late into the winter. The southern jet has been active and looks to stay that way. It’s all about timing and I think we get lucky at least one time before summer starts in Mid April.


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Can't say I'm not excited about 60s this weekend. Cold/cloudy/no snow is about as blah as hot/sunny/no rain. Its fun for a while then its just a grind.

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Observation ... other than the time as a youngster of 5 when I plugged the dog's tail into a wall outlet next to the tree just to see what would happen, I've never seen such dismay on a Christmas Day in all my years ... and all of it over a bunch of silly models ... :eek:
 
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So far there’s nothing to be excited about this winter. But forecast or for a above average snowfall. Could all those forecast bust?


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I don’t think so.. realistically we would only need one storm to really match good with timing because if we can get an active southern jet storm to hit some cold air it could easily produce some good snows that would most likely rip the scales in favor of normal to above normal snowfall even with that one event
 
Just an observation of mine. A lot of us have our age on our profile. Guys in their 30's-40's (like me) do most of the complaining. Lol we've lived through enough disappointments we should know better but haven't accepted the way things are. The younger crowd doesnt know any better an are eternal optimists. The older hands have given up and accepted reality!
 
Just an observation of mine. A lot of us have our age on our profile. Guys in their 30's-40's (like me) do most of the complaining. Lol we've lived through enough disappointments we should know better but haven't accepted the way things are. The younger crowd doesnt know any better an are eternal optimists. The older hands have given up and accepted reality!

Also think location plays a big role. East Georgia and SC have had it bad lately so we do most of it. I’m sure it will swing the other way soon. Florida and Louisiana can’t get more snow then me forever.


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Just an observation of mine. A lot of us have our age on our profile. Guys in their 30's-40's (like me) do most of the complaining. Lol we've lived through enough disappointments we should know better but haven't accepted the way things are. The younger crowd doesnt know any better an are eternal optimists. The older hands have given up and accepted reality!
accepting reality ≠ giving up
 
So far there’s nothing to be excited about this winter. But forecast or for a above average snowfall. Could all those forecast bust?


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Absolutely. There is major cause for concern at this point for just about everybody on this board. The clock is ticking and we’re already looking ahead 2+ weeks. Hell, many areas well to our north haven't even seen a flake and it doesn’t look like they will at least until the second half of January. I’ve seen this far too many times.
 
Absolutely. There is major cause for concern at this point for just about everybody on this board. The clock is ticking and we’re already looking ahead 2+ weeks. Hell, many areas well to our north haven't even seen a flake and it doesn’t look like they will at least until the second half of January. I’ve seen this far too many times.

Now:
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Remember 2011:
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Absolutely. There is major cause for concern at this point for just about everybody on this board. The clock is ticking and we’re already looking ahead 2+ weeks. Hell, many areas well to our north haven't even seen a flake and it doesn’t look like they will at least until the second half of January. I’ve seen this far too many times.
That is true. It is ticking. Yes I realize it's only December and we usually don't have snow by now. But it's time we should start seeing some promising signs going forward and we really don't. After every dumpster fire we look back and say the writing was on the wall early. One could make a strong argument the writing is there this year now. I'm not throwing the towel yet as it has plenty of time still. But from my experience and the great minds I follow online agree once the Pac goes to crap it usually doesn't recover. The winters that end well usually rely on the Atlantic in the end. Good lord if we have to rely on the NAO to save us we're screwed! Lol
I said earlier at this point just give me a 2 week stretch and a storm. Below average as as a whole is already out the window.
 
I would be surprised if we don’t see snow sometime in Jan and then in Feb. Even in our garbage ninos like 05 and 07 we see atleast a car topper or two in both months.
Oh good lord 05-06.... that used to be the gold standard for crappy winters for me until last year

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I would be surprised if we don’t see snow sometime in Jan and then in Feb. Even in our garbage ninos like 05 and 07 we see atleast a car topper or two in both months.

Had a little ice storm late Jan in 2005. Another minor snow event in feb 2007. Both minor but I would take it.


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Oh good lord 05-06.... that used to be the gold standard for crappy winters for me until last year

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Oh yeah, 06 and 08 were really bad that I recall...ninas. 05 and 07 had some nuisance events but would take that happily.
 
Jan 2000 was really bad up until Jan 20th or so. Was good for about week then winter was over.

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2000 was a terrible winter outside of a 2-week time frame, basically. I remember us torching in February, but the huge snow plow piles from the Carolina Crusher still persisted. Just goes to show it really only takes one storm, as I like to say.

Additionally, though 2013-2014 was a great winter in these parts, it was terrible until Fab Feb and Marvelous March saved us.
 
I'm watching the 1 hour Wayback Playback from December 1995, Classic Weather Channel. Christmas music, old commercials, old on camera mets. It's awesome.
 
Yall are killing me with the "were going to have to wait until this time frame for winter weather"...

We fall for the same joke everytime with the models. Lol
 
Yall are killing me with the "were going to have to wait until this time frame for winter weather"...

We fall for the same joke everytime with the models. Lol

So you don’t believe in the MJO? You think phases 4 or 5 or 6 are cold and snowy in the SE? There are reasons we say we need to wait. If we fall for anything it’s we fall for the cold patterns showing up when it doesn’t.


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So you don’t believe in the MJO? You think phases 4 or 5 or 6 are cold and snowy in the SE? There are reasons we say we need to wait. If we fall for anything it’s we fall for the cold patterns showing up when it doesn’t.


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You missed my point. What I am saying is people are just looking entirely to hard and being sold on one solution. I am not biased towards any solution. All I am saying, is if the models suddenly flipped to all cold, regardless of a phase, suddenly everyone would be head over hills again with headline on Twitter like "Models suddenly flip, expect cold for the 1st half of January" only for them to flip back to warm and them change everything up. Just seems like the same thing everytime.
 
So you don’t believe in the MJO? You think phases 4 or 5 or 6 are cold and snowy in the SE? There are reasons we say we need to wait. If we fall for anything it’s we fall for the cold patterns showing up when it doesn’t.


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But yes, you are right. Seems as if we all do fall for the false cold showing up time and time again!
 
But yes, you are right. Seems as if we all do fall for the false cold showing up time and time again!
Not all of us fall for it. And the ones who don't are told we're negative. This dumpster fire has been showing up for a couple weeks and has been the way more consistent look on models. They may show promise one day but quickly revert back to crap. When the Pac is that bad it never recovers. It just goes from hostile to not as hostile. Our chances will come when it reshuffles and is not as hostile. But a large scale pattern change with sustained cold here isn't happening. That is until March like always when it's too late. Best we can hope for is a storm or 2 at this point because the ship has sailed on a cold winter.
 
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