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Pattern December - Deal or No Deal?

It's not cold enough to support snowfall on the 12z CMC, the highest elevations may get something out of it. Still, lots of time for better trends. The Euro and CMC are doing really well so far with the system around the 20th or so. The 0z Euro has light back side snow for a good bit of folks in the southeast.
 
12z CMC, it's looking better and better.
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Two things...
1. It’s the CMC you are using...
2. No cold air...


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If we could substitute that High over Louisiana with that Low east of NY we’d be in business! ☹️
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It’s close for some. How do phasers work out for areas east of the mountains?
I'm more just looking at the potential for a clipper around Christmas for some light snows (6z FV3 was close just need more digging). In that setup a phase would likely be too warm for most east of the mountains (potential backside snow if things worked out right but that'd be about it most likely).
 
I'm more just looking at the potential for a clipper around Christmas for some light snows (6z FV3 was close just need more digging). In that setup a phase would likely be too warm for most east of the mountains (potential backside snow if things worked out right but that'd be about it most likely).
We had a hybrid clipper here last year that worked out for a lot of people. Upstate included. Curious to
see how that energy in the gulf comes into play
 
FV3 was close again for Christmas. Seems like we might just be watching to see if we can get a beefed up clipper from what I saw on H5 (and for my purposes I'd want it to start beefing up a little quicker), but we'll see how it looks at around hour 240.
 
FV3 was close again for Christmas. Seems like we might just be watching to see if we can get a beefed up clipper from what I saw on H5 (and for my purposes I'd want it to start beefing up a little quicker), but we'll see how it looks at around hour 240.
Big ridge out west. If a clipper is going to deliver for folks in the south, I would imagine this is how it needs to be done 65ABB77F-23E4-4718-924E-35F8B5C6A21B.png
 
Whatever clipper we have needs to tap the gulf a bit. So that it delivers outside the mountains.


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From the other place. Looking good. These anomolies are hard to come by nowadays. Sorry @pcbjr I don’t mean to rub salt in the wound 51BAB6F5-2A4D-4771-8540-901584744788.png
 
That's the same one I was talking about that the CMC has, the GFS is slower with it, and of course the looks up at H5 are different.

It’s the same southern energy but it’s not the same northern energy . We need a solution like the gfs has that has a much better cold source to tap 3-4 days later towards Christmas .


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It’s the same southern energy but it’s not the same northern energy . We need a solution like the gfs has that has a much better cold source to tap 3-4 days later towards Christmas .


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Oh, we were looking at two different northern energy's lol. The window is there for something though indeed.
 
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GEFS looks good until well out into voodoo.
Man I hope so, because the end of the op looked like a steaming pile of monkey crap on a grease fire.
 
While it is long range, the cold was scheduled to come right after Christmas, then Jan. 4th and now Jan. 11th. That is 1/3 of our coldest winter month if it works out that way, definitely not the right direction
 
While it is long range, the cold was scheduled to come right after Christmas, then Jan. 4th and now Jan. 11th. That is 1/3 of our coldest winter month if it works out that way, definitely not the right direction
How do you know what January will be like when we can't even figure out Christmas yet? Lol
 
Yeah if anything based off what I'm seeing, at most it seems like Christmas will be a continuation of what we've seen the last two days.
 
While it is long range, the cold was scheduled to come right after Christmas, then Jan. 4th and now Jan. 11th. That is 1/3 of our coldest winter month if it works out that way, definitely not the right direction

So I guess we should hug the CFSV2
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From my untrained eye. I don’t see anything that says the models have a clue. Anything past 7 days out is a complete roll of the dice. For instance look at gfs and fv3 they both have looked completely different in the long range. So really I’m not sure anyone can predict anything and be accurate.


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