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Wintry Dec 8-10th Winter Storm

Myself I think the cutoff for wintry weather will be the I85 corridor. If you are North of there in upstate or NC then I think you are ok. Everyone else its gonna take a bit more luck to get anything frozen.

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I hope your right I’m just north of 85
 
NAM has the energy digging into Baja but it digs it a bit further north with a 1039 high at the end of the run.
 
The NAM will bring in the goods in a couple days and re amp everyone including myself, always does haha
 
Once were close to this event, I'm talking <18 hours, remember that the hrrr typically shows it way to warm for cad areas, very notorious for that until it is 4 hours out then it changes it back to a colder solution, just like those 2 November events for the mtn/foothills, just had to put this out there even tho were still days out
 
The s/w entering California by 48 hours is noticeably less consolidated & more diffuse on the 0z NAM than it is on the 18z GFS. We still have a few days to sort this out & either one of these solutions could be correct, but small details like this grow upscale non-linearly into large ones and are important to monitor for those of us downstream
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Once were close to this event, I'm talking <18 hours, remember that the hrrr typically shows it way to warm for cad areas, very notorious for that until it is 4 hours out then it changes it back to a colder solution, just like those 2 November events for the mtn/foothills, just had to put this out there even tho were still days out

The HRRR has a pretty horrendous BL mixing bias that causes it to scour out CAD too quickly, if we end up w/ a CAD event, I would definitely caution those on this forum from using it except when its within several hours or so of verification.
 
Nothing “brutal” or “dramatic” has occurred today. Governmental agencies (like the WPC) have a good hand on things with current probabilities. They do not swing with op runs or wish cast. There is a clear signal for our first snowy winter storm for many people on this board. The sleet lines and etc. that skew totals will always be unclear..sometimes they can be revealed early but we are nowhere near that stage yet.
This is a really good post. There has not been any dramatic shifting. But there has been some shifting. And it just illustrates how precarious this situation is. Small shifts in feature position or interaction can quite substantially change the outcome for many. There will be a lot more shifting.

My guess is what I said earlier: I think the SW will come ashore stronger than modeled. I think the CAD will be slower to erode than modeled. I do not see enough blocking to press everything far enough south for a southern sliding Miller A that wallops the entire SE. It will end up being Miller B-ish with marginal cold. CAD regions end up with a good winter storm. That’s what seems most likely to me, especially given the fact that models seem to always overestimate the cold press at 5-10 day leads.
 
I don’t think anyone is giving up, I think being a little realistic and realizing, with the information we have, we aren’t heading in the right direction. I don’t see why taking notice to that is giving up.
At this range it’s more about confidence not direction for anyone in this line of work. No one wants to be buried on a model solution on a Monday when the snow is several days away. There is no need to be overly realistic or concerned about specifics when we know that we don’t have all the data that we need to make a legitimate forecast.
 
I live in Orangeburg, how do you think I feel?
Well, you got hit last year. I heard Orangeburg county did pretty well depending on what part of the county you were in. So technically, it's been longer for us in Columbia. But as a whole, yes. Yall see it a lot less than us.
 
The HRRR has a pretty horrendous BL mixing bias that causes it to scour out CAD too quickly, if we end up w/ a CAD event, I would definitely caution those on this forum from using it except when its within several hours or so of verification.
is there a study on this you can link?
 
*If* the CAD areas do score there is a growing chance of damaging floods by the end of the week. More heavy rain on top of muddy or leftover wintry mess would not be good. Could be the bigger story for some, two major precip events in early December on top of a wet Fall.
 
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