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WeatherNC said:
My concern in all this, is our inability to test and mean time to get results for those tested back for confirmation. My wife is a nurse at a teaching hospital, while they can test for certain variants of corona this one is not currently covered. We are too far behind that 8 ball and should at this point be able to do testing onsite at tertiary centers and rolling out to local hospitals in the next week with drive through types on deck. How do you contain if you do not know who is infected, where and how many.
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Containment time is over man. We have to slow the spread and keep everyone needing medical care from needing it at the same time. Progression is about 5 days to 2 weeks of incubation/asymptomatic transmission->5 days to two weeks of illness->recovery or serious illness->recovery or death. The serious illness phase (where you need medical support) seems to start somewhere around the 3-4 week period after having contracted the virus. It's way too contagious/easily transmissible.
 
Heelyes said:
You also said this is overhyped but you don't understand why the governor hasn't canceled school. Make up your mind
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The response to this (panic) is overhyped yes. I have zero problems with clear, decisive, calm, rational decisions. When you panic you stress out. When you are stressed out you sometimes make irrational decisions. My point being the governer should have enough information by now to make such a decision
 
metwannabe said:
Hey @Poimen what y'all doing about church services?
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All Sunday school and Wednesday night/morning activities are canceled until further notice. We will have worship this Sunday, asking that the elderly, those not feeling well, and those with underlying conditions remain home. I'm certain we will have much fewer than 100. We will reevaluate the following Sundays early next week.
 
Poimen said:
All Sunday school and Wednesday night/morning activities are canceled until further notice. We will have worship this Sunday, asking that the elderly, those not feeling well, and those with underlying conditions remain home. I'm certain we will have much fewer than 100. We will reevaluate the following Sundays early next week.
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Sounds like solid leadership, well done brother.
 
So the UK is taking a vastly different approach than the rest of Europe by not closing anything and going with a philosophy that they need to build "herd immunity". Boris is taking the advice from the main health adviser that this is the best course of action long term even if 1000's die now. Expecting 60% to get it.

This flies in the face of our current Euro block of not letting anyone in except UK citizens. It came up today during the press conference. Trump said we may change our stance.

It needs to happen like yesterday. If we're going to ban anyone it seems like it should be them. Apparently their citizenry is so freaked out they are taking it upon themselves to self quatantine.
 
Nerman said:
So the UK is taking a vastly different approach than the rest of Europe by not closing anything and going with a philosophy that they need to build "herd immunity". Boris is taking the advice from the main health adviser that this is the best course of action long term even if 1000's die now. Expecting 60% to get it.

This flies in the face of our current Euro block of not letting anyone in except UK citizens. It came up today during the press conference. Trump said we may change our stance.

It needs to happen like yesterday. If we're going to ban anyone it seems like it should be them. Apparently their citizenry is so freaked out they are taking it upon themselves to self quatantine.
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Well that’s one way to clear out the deadwood


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Nerman said:
So the UK is taking a vastly different approach than the rest of Europe by not closing anything and going with a philosophy that they need to build "herd immunity". Boris is taking the advice from the main health adviser that this is the best course of action long term even if 1000's die now. Expecting 60% to get it.

This flies in the face of our current Euro block of not letting anyone in except UK citizens. It came up today during the press conference. Trump said we may change our stance.

It needs to happen like yesterday. If we're going to ban anyone it seems like it should be them. Apparently their citizenry is so freaked out they are taking it upon themselves to self quatantine.
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For some reason herd immunity makes me think of The Walking Dead series I watch!
 
Nerman said:
So the UK is taking a vastly different approach than the rest of Europe by not closing anything and going with a philosophy that they need to build "herd immunity". Boris is taking the advice from the main health adviser that this is the best course of action long term even if 1000's die now. Expecting 60% to get it.

This flies in the face of our current Euro block of not letting anyone in except UK citizens. It came up today during the press conference. Trump said we may change our stance.

It needs to happen like yesterday. If we're going to ban anyone it seems like it should be them. Apparently their citizenry is so freaked out they are taking it upon themselves to self quatantine.
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I heard a doctor from over there on a talk show a night or two ago saying the med profession has been screaming for 10 years how short they where on supply side. She said there is no way they can handle this demand thats coming, not staffed enough for average run of the mill, let alone a pandemic. So maybe this explains, definitely not justify this course of action.
 
Sandbar said:
The response to this (panic) is overhyped yes. I have zero problems with clear, decisive, calm, rational decisions. When you panic you stress out. When you are stressed out you sometimes make irrational decisions. My point being the governer should have enough information by now to make such a decision
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Slow is steady. Steady is smooth. Smooth is fast.
 
Nerman said:
So the UK is taking a vastly different approach than the rest of Europe by not closing anything and going with a philosophy that they need to build "herd immunity". Boris is taking the advice from the main health adviser that this is the best course of action long term even if 1000's die now. Expecting 60% to get it.

This flies in the face of our current Euro block of not letting anyone in except UK citizens. It came up today during the press conference. Trump said we may change our stance.

It needs to happen like yesterday. If we're going to ban anyone it seems like it should be them. Apparently their citizenry is so freaked out they are taking it upon themselves to self quatantine.
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I'm actually not sure if their course of action isn't the best. Right now taking data from Italy and SK, it's pretty apparent that anyone under 50 has a very very small chance at dying of this. In a small country it you could shield the elderly class and build up herd immunity slowly, you could prehaps stop future outbreaks where just quarantine may cause future outbreaks. Wouldn't work here.
 
Matthew70 said:
I just find it interesting that no reports from Russia
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I read that Russia has closed off their Chinese border, has very strict quarantine rules for the infected, and has jail time for those who break quarantine. Also, keep in mind that most of Russia is low population density, except for the western areas.
 
Nerman said:
So the UK is taking a vastly different approach than the rest of Europe by not closing anything and going with a philosophy that they need to build "herd immunity". Boris is taking the advice from the main health adviser that this is the best course of action long term even if 1000's die now. Expecting 60% to get it.
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This is nonsense - I've been following the developments in the UK and they've been taking serious actions as far as closings, cancelling sporting events, and (starting next week) banning large public gatherings.

www.bbc.com

Coronavirus: UK could ban mass gatherings from next week

Many major events have already been called off by organisers concerned about the spread of coronavirus.
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Wake County schools are not closing. They said the students and staff are not in the high risk categories, and it would be worse to close because parents would have to find childcare, and often that is with an elderly person like a grandparent. They also said it could be a financial burden on parents to miss work, and would mean healthcare professionals would be at home instead of in the hospitals. Also said kids depend on meals at school, and that it could be worse if kids were out and going other places. They said they are going by the CDC recommendation that it would not do any good to close schools yet.

Not sure how I feel about it. I think they make valid points. Then again, they canceled all athletic and extracurricular activities. If they can't have those then why is it safe to have school? I just worry because you can have the virus and not even know it, and speed it to others. We could have teachers get sick, and then not have enough teachers. And of course the kids could be spreading it to each other, and then bring it home and spread it to family members. My wife is also a special education itinerant teacher for pre-k kids, and she travels around to different schools, daycares, and even homes to teach kids. She said a lot of teachers are requesting substitutes and planning to stay home, too, so there may not be enough teachers to cover the classes. Just a terrible and difficult situation.
 
YetAnotherRDUGuy said:
Ya'll better not sleep on Mongolia over there sharing a border w/ China and only 1 case. mmmmhmmmmm.
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Mongolia did take some pretty draconian steps early on (including sealing off the border with China and banning flights from SK) so that could explain things. They're taking even more severe steps now that the first case has been confirmed.

www.straitstimes.com

Mongolia locks down cities after reporting first coronavirus case

ULAANBAATAR (AFP) - Mongolia on Tuesday (March 10) barred anyone from entering or leaving its cities for six days after the country reported its first coronavirus case - a French energy company employee who flew in from Moscow.. Read more at straitstimes.com.
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Brick Tamland said:
Wake County schools are not closing. They said the students and staff are not in the high risk categories, and it would be worse to close because parents would have to find childcare, and often that is with an elderly person like a grandparent. They also said it could be a financial burden on parents to miss work, and would mean healthcare professionals would be at home instead of in the hospitals. Also said kids depend on meals at school, and that it could be worse if kids were out and going other places. They said they are going by the CDC recommendation that it would not do any good to close schools yet.

Not sure how I feel about it. I think they make valid points. Then again, they canceled all athletic and extracurricular activities. If they can't have those then why is it safe to have school? I just worry because you can have the virus and not even know it, and speed it to others. We could have teachers get sick, and then not have enough teachers. And of course the kids could be spreading it to each other, and then bring it home and spread it to family members. My wife is also a special education itinerant teacher for pre-k kids, and she travels around to different schools, daycares, and even homes to teach kids. She said a lot of teachers are requesting substitutes and planning to stay home, too, so there may not be enough teachers to cover the classes. Just a terrible and difficult situation.
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That is so different from most states and their schools. Why colleges but not others schools? Plus the CDC I thought was saying no large gatherings? Is s school not large gathering? Sounds like the Britain president. Herd Immune??‍♂️
 
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