Coronavirus (Stay on Topic)

[Jimmy Hypocracy]

Against my better judgement I decided to dig into some numbers. Someone ran the numbers on China’s deaths from COVID-19 and here are the preliminary death rates for vulnerable groups:

• 14.3% for people over 80
• 10.5 percent for cardiovascular disease
• 7.3 percent for diabetes
• 6.3 percent for chronic respiratory disease
• 6.0 percent for hypertension
• 5.6 percent for cancer

Y’all keep that mess up in Wake county.

 

[SETNwx]

Against my better judgement I decided to dig into some numbers. Someone ran the numbers on China’s deaths from COVID-19 and here are the preliminary death rates for vulnerable groups:

• 14.3% for people over 80
• 10.5 percent for cardiovascular disease
• 7.3 percent for diabetes
• 6.3 percent for chronic respiratory disease
• 6.0 percent for hypertension
• 5.6 percent for cancer

Y’all keep that mess up in Wake county.

all ages with diabetes and hypertension? IF so, that's significant, and scary as f---.

 

[Jimmy Hypocracy]

all ages with diabetes and hypertension? IF so, that's significant, and scary as f---.

Yeah that’s the thing, there’s not much to go off of. The ADA claims this is similar/slightly worse on diabetics than the flu. I’m a well controlled T1D but illness can wreak havoc on your blood sugar. All it takes is one bad day and that’s all she wrote. I’m confident I’ve already survived worse than the coronavirus. I mean, even with the flu death rate is 3-4 times higher in a diabetic but I’ve had it many times over the years and it doesn’t scare me. I think the fear with this one is a lot stronger than the virus itself. The anticipation is hard to handle.

 

[Jon]

Against my better judgement I decided to dig into some numbers. Someone ran the numbers on China’s deaths from COVID-19 and here are the preliminary death rates for vulnerable groups:

• 14.3% for people over 80
• 10.5 percent for cardiovascular disease
• 7.3 percent for diabetes
• 6.3 percent for chronic respiratory disease
• 6.0 percent for hypertension
• 5.6 percent for cancer

Y’all keep that mess up in Wake county.

Where did you get the data for disease groups? And I have the same question as a large majority of those have to be over the age of ~60. For instance is that 6% death rate for 25-40yo with HTN only?

Also need to differentiate between type 1 diabetics and type 2. Type 2 diabetes are way more likely to have other disease states such as COPD, HTN, and CVD, which would falsely skew the percentage higher.

I think these percentages are flawed unless this was taken into consideration.


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[Jon]

They’ve only been able to get limited amounts of testing out .. next couple weeks will provide 75000 testing kits and then they are sending out millions of test kits as soon as funding goes through.. also WHO says the death rate globally is 3.2 % I believe and that’s not hype that’s just what WHO has actually said today.. it’s not over hype it’s a spreading and very infectious disease and if it gets a hold on elderly and someone with preexisting conditions it can be deadly .. letting our guard down will only lead to the disease being able to easily spread and if that happens it becomes easier for it to reach these most vulnerable people ..

Outside China the death rate is much lower though I believe, below 2% and that includes Italy. He’s right assuming it’s not as bad as we think. The death rate will continue to go down as we get more positive ceases. The sample size is entirely too small to make a judgement on death rate in the United States. I’m pretty sure when this outbreak was beginning people were estimating the death rate to be over 10% and freaking out...it’s just a faulty way of calculating until we get enough positive tests.

I agree with your post though, great advice and thinking. The young need to take steps to protect the old.

 

[Sandbar]

Imagine if people took the flu this serious!

 

[Yellow Snow]

Outside China the death rate is much lower though I believe, below 2% and that includes Italy. He’s right assuming it’s not as bad as we think. The death rate will continue to go down as we get more positive ceases. The sample size is entirely too small to make a judgement on death rate in the United States. I’m pretty sure when this outbreak was beginning people were estimating the death rate to be over 10% and freaking out...it’s just a faulty way of calculating until we get enough positive tests.

I agree with your post though, great advice and thinking. The young need to take steps to protect the old.

Indeed - there's an untold number of cases that haven't been diagnosed because the infected persons are asymptomatic. Over half the COVID cases on the Diamond Princess presented no symptoms, and would probably never have been tested were they not confined to the ship.

COVID-19 in 2 Persons with Mild Upper Respiratory Tract Symptoms on a Cruise Ship, Japan

COVID-19 in Persons with Mild Respiratory Tract Symptoms

wwwnc.cdc.gov

 

[Myfrotho704_]

Imagine if people took the flu this serious!

It has definitely been taken serious before, recent example was 2017-2018 when the predominant strain was H3N2, one of the worst flu seasons, coronavirus is quite similar to H3N2, probably a little bit worse, and H3N2 caused a significantly bigger amount of hospitalizations/deaths, we’ve just learned to live with the flu around us , COVID-19 is a new virus that still has uncertainty all around it, it’s honestly expected it would be getting attention

 

[Rain Cold]

They’ve only been able to get limited amounts of testing out .. next couple weeks will provide 75000 testing kits and then they are sending out millions of test kits as soon as funding goes through.. also WHO says the death rate globally is 3.2 % I believe and that’s not hype that’s just what WHO has actually said today.. it’s not over hype it’s a spreading and very infectious disease and if it gets a hold on elderly and someone with preexisting conditions it can be deadly .. letting our guard down will only lead to the disease being able to easily spread and if that happens it becomes easier for it to reach these most vulnerable people ..

And the WHO has been slow playing this from the get go.

Have to remember that if we're going to conclude that there are cases out there we don't know about, which is likely, then there are also hospitalizations and deaths that are not correctly attributed to the Coronavirus.

Point is, we really don't know for sure what the CFR really is. We know the cases which were identified through testing. We know the deaths that were identified through testing. We know the recovered. But we don't know the outcome of all the people who are neither dead nor recovered. We don't know how many have it or had it and haven't been tested. We don't know how many were hospitalized or killed due to the virus that weren't tested.

 

[Myfrotho704_]

And the WHO has been slow playing this from the get go.

Have to remember that if we're going to conclude that there are cases out there we don't know about, which is likely, then there are also hospitalizations and deaths that are not correctly attributed to the Coronavirus also.

Point is, we really don't know for sure what the CFR really is. We know the cases which were identified through testing. We know the deaths that were identified through testing. We know the recovered. But we don't know the outcome of all the people who are neither dead or recovered. We don't know how many have it or had it and haven't been tested. We don't know how many were hospitalized or killed due to the virus that weren't tested.

Not to mention there’s now 2 versions of this virus, we don’t know which strain is dominant here right now

 

[Downeastnc]

Dow futures way down, so after a big bounce yesterday looking like a sell off to start the day....

 

[Ethan80963]

Looks like Henry McMaster is going to be giving an update around 10 o'clock.

SC DHEC to share update on coronavirus

The South Carolina Department of Health and Environmental Control is expected to share an update on the novel coronavirus (COVID-19) on Thursday morning. That news comes according to a tweet from state Sen. Marlon Kimpson. The update is expected to be given at 10 a. m. Officials confirmed...

abcnews4.com

Maybe an update on these.

https://www.thestate.com/news/local/article240879381.html

 

[Sandbar]

It has definitely been taken serious before, recent example was 2017-2018 when the predominant strain was H3N2, one of the worst flu seasons, coronavirus is quite similar to H3N2, probably a little bit worse, and H3N2 caused a significantly bigger amount of hospitalizations/deaths, we’ve just learned to live with the flu around us , COVID-19 is a new virus that still has uncertainty all around it, it’s honestly expected it would be getting attention

Ok I retract my statement. If only people panicked about the flu every year like they did in 2017-2018. You think more lives could be saved? Sure they could and thats what this is all about. Protecting lives

 

[tramadoc]

I don’t normally agree with this guy because usually what comes out of mouth, much like Joe Biden, is complete jibberish, but he’s probably correct. If you look into death numbers in China which are total deaths of 25,000 people a day from all things (if true) the death toll is about 0.001% with COVID19.

 

[Jimmy Hypocracy]

Where did you get the data for disease groups? And I have the same question as a large majority of those have to be over the age of ~60. For instance is that 6% death rate for 25-40yo with HTN only?

Also need to differentiate between type 1 diabetics and type 2. Type 2 diabetes are way more likely to have other disease states such as COPD, HTN, and CVD, which would falsely skew the percentage higher.

I think these percentages are flawed unless this was taken into consideration.


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“According to one study of 45,000 confirmed cases in China, fewer than 1.0% of healthy people who contracted the COVID-19 virus died from the disease. But that percentage was around 6.0% for people with cancer, hypertension or chronic respiratory disease, 7.3% for those with diabetes and 10.5% for those with cardiovascular disease. Patients who were 80 or older were also at increased risk, with 14.8% dying.”

I saw this information published in several news articles. I’m just not sure who conducted the study.

 

[Downeastnc]

Ok I retract my statement. If only people panicked about the flu every year like they did in 2017-2018. You think more lives could be saved? Sure they could and thats what this is all about. Protecting lives

I think another reason people are less worried about the flu is there are vaccines that help reduce the impact.....we also have anti virals like Tamiflu that target the flu and offset the severity of it if taken in time, my son tested positive for Flu B back in Dec they put him and me on Tamiflu even though at the time I felt fine but sure enough a few days later I was positive for Flu B but I never really got beyond feeling like a regular cold....overall there is a pretty big system setup around limiting and controlling the flu impact in the US every year.

 

[Myfrotho704_]

I think another reason people are less worried about the flu is there are vaccines that help reduce the impact.....we also have anti virals like Tamiflu that target the flu and offset the severity of it if taken in time, my son tested positive for Flu B back in Dec they put him and me on Tamiflu even though at the time I felt fine but sure enough a few days later I was positive for Flu B but I never really got beyond feeling like a regular cold....overall there is a pretty big system setup around limiting and controlling the flu impact in the US every year.

yeah, there’s no real treatment for COVID19 right now, just test drugs

 

[Yellow Snow]

“According to one study of 45,000 confirmed cases in China, fewer than 1.0% of healthy people who contracted the COVID-19 virus died from the disease. But that percentage was around 6.0% for people with cancer, hypertension or chronic respiratory disease, 7.3% for those with diabetes and 10.5% for those with cardiovascular disease. Patients who were 80 or older were also at increased risk, with 14.8% dying.”

I saw this information published in several news articles. I’m just not sure who conducted the study.

The study was conducted by the Chinese Center for Disease Control, and therefore must be taken with a massive grain of salt.

The Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) Outbreak in China—Summary of a China CDC Report

This Viewpoint summarizes key epidemiologic and clinical findings from all cases of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) reported through February 11, 2020, in mainland China, and case trends in response to government attempts to control and contain the infection.

jamanetwork.com

 

[NoSnowATL]

I think another reason people are less worried about the flu is there are vaccines that help reduce the impact.....we also have anti virals like Tamiflu that target the flu and offset the severity of it if taken in time, my son tested positive for Flu B back in Dec they put him and me on Tamiflu even though at the time I felt fine but sure enough a few days later I was positive for Flu B but I never really got beyond feeling like a regular cold....overall there is a pretty big system setup around limiting and controlling the flu impact in the US every year.

Elderberry is no joke. That stuff works! You can’t take Elderberry and Tamiflu at the same time.



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[Snowfan]

I don’t normally agree with this guy because usually what comes out of mouth, much like Joe Biden, is complete jibberish, but he’s probably correct. If you look into death numbers in China which are total deaths of 25,000 people a day from all things (if true) the death toll is about 0.001% with COVID19.

The death rate with the Coronavirus is 3.4%.