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Chattownsnow said:
Maybe I’m crazy but I still don’t see this ending up being the crisis it’s being portrayed as. Social media I think is blowing this up and any dooms day prediction is being spotlighted and everyone is just buying into the hype. I think I’m the end we end up causing more harm then the virus itself. In a way the panic and craziness and everyone being so conscious of keeping clean and practicing safe procedures against the virus will be a huge factor in limiting the impact. But I feel there could have been a better way of getting that without all this panic.
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Rain Cold said:
I'm really struggling to understand the no big deal line of thinking. That seems to have a lot more basis in hope than in what we're observing in the actual world for most countries that are ahead of us right now.
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Downeastnc said:
We will know in 7-14 days how bad this is going to be, by now 500k-1 million people have been exposed in the US probably....so there is no stopping it, at best we can test like crazy and try to get people to self quarantine. I read several days ago that if the virus follows the script so to speak here as it has in other countries that with doubling etc they expected Washington St to see a ramp up in cases starting around Mar 22nd....with the rest of the country anywhere from 7-14 days behind them....so by the end of the month we will know whether this is not a big deal or if we did to little to late.
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Chattowsnow, I am in your camp too. I certainly have been paying attention and am concerned but I think the panic is going to completely outweight the true impact of the virus itself. There is no question that people ar going to get sick and die with this which is tragic for them, but that is true with EVERY virus. I still do not understand why we have all the panic. Care yes, preparation, yes. We are literally panicking ourselves into a societal shutdown which will have many other very serious consequences that may well be worse than the virus itself.

Cold Rain, maybe. But what we are seeing is nowwhere near past versions of the flu (i know people hate that comparison but there it is). We did not see anyhting like this in 2009/10 when 17000 people died in the US (apart form the normal seasonal flu ) including 1800 kids. We did not see anything like this in 2017/18 when 55 million got the flu and 80,000 died. Why not? To me this feels like panic.

Downeast, I guess that will be the only way we'll really know. We'll just have to see what happens down the road, but it is here and there is no stopping it now. Stay safe everyone!
 
Seems to me the best course of action would be to isolate all those at risk, older adults and underlying health issues. Not sure how but and don't take this wrong or disrespectful to that generation (remember my parents are 77 and 80) but most of them are retired, would be much easier for that group to shelter in place and less of an economic burden. At least until a vaccine is in place or something. Just has to be a better way then destroying the economy like this
 
I haven't been able to keep up with the thread. Is the warmer days lately down this way actually showing signs of slowing the virus as we'd expect? Or we still don't know? I understand large cities and the Northern/cooler areas are still very much under the gun, but that's the majority of the media talk, so it's hard to separate us/our current climate versus.
 
metwannabe said:
It would have to be voluntary, although I imagine most would not oppose being tested especially if they could test themselves. But if government wants to force testing, it becomes a very slippery slope
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Thanks, Just wanted to throw the idea out there. Really thought it may be a plausible idea. You’re correct on the “Our Rights” idea. I would take the test if given in writing I wouldn’t be placed in a quarantine camp. CC @tramadoc
 
Downeastnc said:
I guess I don't understand what you logically think is going to be the outcome...I think there is a certain level of panic associated with this but it is based more on the unknown.....we really don't know how this is going to turn out.....and I guess different people have different criteria for what bad is. Ultimately this is going to be a trade off, what we do/don't do will increase or decrease the number of people that end up in serious condition or dead.

I look at it like this. if the let it run its course/ not a big deal and lets not harm the economy crowd are wrong then 10's or even 100's of thousands of people could die....that's a pretty big gamble, so really what you need to ask is how much of a impact to our economy and burden to society are you willing to accept in exchange for less people dying...
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Exactly what I have been asking. I have a mom I worry about but at what cost? We may go a road there is no return.
 
Shawn said:
I haven't been able to keep up with the thread. Is the warmer days lately down this way actually showing signs of slowing the virus as we'd expect? Or we still don't know? I understand large cities and the Northern/cooler areas are still very much under the gun, but that's the majority of the media talk, so it's hard to separate us/our current climate versus.
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To early to tell, one of the downsides of limited testing is we don't have a true grasp on how many have it, there have been test though that show this virus can live on some surfaces for up to 3 days at temps up to 98 degrees....
 
Shawn said:
I haven't been able to keep up with the thread. Is the warmer days lately down this way actually showing signs of slowing the virus as we'd expect? Or we still don't know? I understand large cities and the Northern/cooler areas are still very much under the gun, but that's the majority of the media talk, so it's hard to separate us/our current climate versus.
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It will be interesting. Looking at the map it gives mixed signals. FL has some and CA but the southern state’s not many. Like NM, Arizona, TX, LA. Look at South America not many yet. PR and Jamaica either. So will be interesting to watch. I do have a friend in AU and said it’s getting bad there and it’s summer.??‍♂️
 
Shawn said:
I haven't been able to keep up with the thread. Is the warmer days lately down this way actually showing signs of slowing the virus as we'd expect? Or we still don't know? I understand large cities and the Northern/cooler areas are still very much under the gun, but that's the majority of the media talk, so it's hard to separate us/our current climate versus.
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Per the CDC, this is unknown for the moment.

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www.cdc.gov

COVID-19 and Your Health

Symptoms, testing, what to do if sick, daily activities, and more.
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It seems like the military has resources for a biological weapon attack. I'm not saying it is one but can't we treat it like one?
 
Iceagewhereartthou said:
Chattowsnow, I am in your camp too. I certainly have been paying attention and am concerned but I think the panic is going to completely outweight the true impact of the virus itself. There is no question that people ar going to get sick and die with this which is tragic for them, but that is true with EVERY virus. I still do not understand why we have all the panic. Care yes, preparation, yes. We are literally panicking ourselves into a societal shutdown which will have many other very serious consequences that may well be worse than the virus itself.

Cold Rain, maybe. But what we are seeing is nowwhere near past versions of the flu (i know people hate that comparison but there it is). We did not see anyhting like this in 2009/10 when 17000 people died in the US (apart form the normal seasonal flu ) including 1800 kids. We did not see anything like this in 2017/18 when 55 million got the flu and 80,000 died. Why not? To me this feels like panic.

Downeast, I guess that will be the only way we'll really know. We'll just have to see what happens down the road, but it is here and there is no stopping it now. Stay safe everyone!
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I don't think comparing overall deaths to date is a good measure of seriousness. Especially considering this virus is just getting started, and the numbers mentioned are likely from the entire 12 months of that year.

Iceage, I hope you're right. But the rate this is spreading and the much higher mortality rate for our elderly population do not bode well. There are some estimates which affect 40-70% everyone nationwide. If that verifies, the # of deaths would be higher than both years combined, and probably much higher than that. :confused:
 
Dallas Co. has issued a declaration of local disaster; beginning tomorrow "community gatherings" of larger than 500 are prohibited
 
The whole purpose of preventing these social gatherings is to flatten the curve. Not let it spike where thousands show up at the hospital at the same time. Presidents team, admin got these sports ,entertainment guys to buy in at same time. Everyone else is following their lead. Not convenient, costly, but will save 1000s of lives, cause we want be over run at one time. Remember flatten the curve. That the best we can do now. The travel bans are helping as well.
The big problem which is a week to 10 days away from rectifying is the test kits. CDC dropped the ball on that one. Have to go back and correct ,figure out why, how after this crisis fades.
 
Shawn said:
I haven't been able to keep up with the thread. Is the warmer days lately down this way actually showing signs of slowing the virus as we'd expect? Or we still don't know? I understand large cities and the Northern/cooler areas are still very much under the gun, but that's the majority of the media talk, so it's hard to separate us/our current climate versus.
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Im watching Florida, DR, PR, central America, Mexico.
Florida post above doesnt sound to encouraging. We got a backdoor front inbound for the weekend. Everyone will be inside, thanks to wedge
 
Well I have something for everyone that will hopefully bring a great lol
 
More awful news about Italy: "In the hard-hit Lombardy region, healthcare workers have been working around the clock. About 350 (20%) have been infected, and some have died, according to the report. Italy's government is considering hiring 20,000 more medical workers and providing 5,000 more ventilators. Unless the measures are implemented in the next few days, they wrote, otherwise-avoidable deaths will occur."

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This is a graph for the outbreak in Italy......if you overlayed the US we would probably be right around where Italy was on Feb 24/25....


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Downeastnc said:
This is a graph for the outbreak in Italy......if you overlayed the US we would probably be right around where Italy was on Feb 24/25....


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Gotta flaten the curve. We are at bottom of the hill . No turning around , we eitheir stand our ground as a country or walk up to the edge of the cliff like italy. S K is standing their ground still. Long 2 to 3 weeks ahead. Italy waited to late im afraid.
 
Will Rossman said:
Just noticed there's now a random yellow bar at the top of the page that has the disclaimer that this site is just for entertainment purposes, and to see cdc.gov for information. Nice touch. ;)
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A lot of posts here are opinions, and we don't want people blindly following guidance from us (an unofficial source).
 
The Masters looks as if they're going to make an announcement later today. The WJBF sports director said it didn't seem likely they'll be the first golf tournament back, but we'll see as it's not something official.

Which for that matter, not sure I saw it in here but the Players Tournament was cancelled.
 
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www.nytimes.com

Sick People Across the U.S. Say They Are Being Denied the Coronavirus Test (Published 2020)

In a health care system that is already difficult to navigate, some patients describe Kafkaesque quests for tests.
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Shocking.

“In a large city, you should be doing at least 1,000 a week, and ideally you’d be doing 10,000,” said Marc Lipsitch, director of the Center for Communicable Disease Dynamics at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health. He said the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services has allocated a “laughably small number of tests” to look for signs of community transmission.

“The system is not really geared to what we need right now, what you are asking for. That is a failing,” said Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, who leads the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, in testimony before the House Committee on Oversight and Reform on Thursday. “It is a failing. I mean, let’s admit it.”
 
Nerman said:
www.nytimes.com

Sick People Across the U.S. Say They Are Being Denied the Coronavirus Test (Published 2020)

In a health care system that is already difficult to navigate, some patients describe Kafkaesque quests for tests.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

Shocking.

“In a large city, you should be doing at least 1,000 a week, and ideally you’d be doing 10,000,” said Marc Lipsitch, director of the Center for Communicable Disease Dynamics at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health. He said the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services has allocated a “laughably small number of tests” to look for signs of community transmission.

“The system is not really geared to what we need right now, what you are asking for. That is a failing,” said Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, who leads the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, in testimony before the House Committee on Oversight and Reform on Thursday. “It is a failing. I mean, let’s admit it.”
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South Korea does 20k a day, the US depending on what source you use has done between 8500-11,000 TOTAL.....its friggen embarrassing.
 
For those who enjoy Supercross, both Indy this weekend and Detroit next weekend are cancelled, future events to be determined soon.
 
Shaggy said:
Still baffled by the lack of widespread testing. Is it a head in the sand stance by govt hedging that if there arent high "official" numbers they can keep panic down?
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Seems to be many reasons. Fact and opinion. I have read about all the red tape regarding test. I have also heard part of it is supplies like cotton swabs and what not that are of course made in China.

Now for my opinion. As I look around me and see the shear panic unfolding, I cant imagine what having widespread access to testing is going to do. As soon as Karen's allergies start flaring up she's gonna go nuts thinking she has corona, run up to medi fast to get that test with dozens of other people, the doc will test her, find out its just allergies, Karen will actually get infected in the waiting room and go about her daily life thinking its just allergies as she infects her family. Not saying testing is a bad thing but lets gain some perspective. If someone gets it the doc is going to treat the symptoms whether you are tested or not. At this point people should treat anything they have as corona and stay away from other people. Just my 2 cents
 
Sandbar said:
Seems to be many reasons. Fact and opinion. I have read about all the red tape regarding test. I have also heard part of it is supplies like cotton swabs and what not that are of course made in China.

Now for my opinion. As I look around me and see the shear panic unfolding, I cant imagine what having widespread access to testing is going to do. As soon as Karen's allergies start flaring up she's gonna go nuts thinking she has corona, run up to medi fast to get that test with dozens of other people, the doc will test her, find out its just allergies, Karen will actually get infected in the waiting room and go about her daily life thinking its just allergies as she infects her family. Not saying testing is a bad thing but lets gain some perspective. If someone gets it the doc is going to treat the symptoms whether you are tested or not. At this point people should treat anything they have as corona and stay away from other people. Just my 2 cents
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Not a bad assessment. I think this is why you saw SK start drive through test centers. Avoiding crowded drs offices awaiting testing is a smart move.
 
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