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I was just perusing Worldometers and noticed Israel, after seemingly having eliminated community transmission during May, is now shooting up again with exponential growth being observed in new cases. They were one of the “success stories” lauded, as well, so it’s definitely a cautionary tale for countries that appear to have things under control.
 
superjames1992 said:
I was just perusing Worldometers and noticed Israel, after seemingly having eliminated community transmission during May, is now shooting up again with exponential growth being observed in new cases. They were one of the “success stories” lauded, as well, so it’s definitely a cautionary tale for countries that appear to have things under control.
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You can add New York back on the list down the line, especially if herd immunity is not achievable.
 
Shocker, NC Governor lays out plan that is basically hybrid, with mix of face to face and virtual learning. All teachers, staff, students required to wear face coverings....man, teachers, whose job all day long is speaking to students to do so while wearing a mask. If I was a student and my test grades were less than stellar, first thing I'd tell my parents.... "I can't understand the teacher from behind that mask" ;)

In all seriousness, my wife's school District is laying out a plan that has all k-8 attending school at all campuses to have enough space to properly social distance students in class, then all 9-12 will be remote/virtual. Trust me, there is no plan that everyone will like and agree on.
 
Welp. Another 3 weeks under phase 2 . No gyms no bars . The transition out of phase 2 has been delayed so much and look what it has done. Cases still soaring, so what was accomplished ?
 
Another good read if you got time today.
CDC Director: U.S. ‘Could Drive This Epidemic’ Into The Ground In 4-6 Weeks With Simple Steps
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metwannabe said:
Shocker, NC Governor lays out plan that is basically hybrid, with mix of face to face and virtual learning. All teachers, staff, students required to wear face coverings....man, teachers, whose job all day long is speaking to students to do so while wearing a mask. If I was a student and my test grades were less than stellar, first thing I'd tell my parents.... "I can't understand the teacher from behind that mask" ;)

In all seriousness, my wife's school District is laying out a plan that has all k-8 attending school at all campuses to have enough space to properly social distance students in class, then all 9-12 will be remote/virtual. Trust me, there is no plan that everyone will like and agree on.
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At least your state has a plan. Alabama has a half hearted plan. I've been listening to the state board meeting while putting up corn and it's a joke. Nothing is mandated and it's all guidelines ? But the state superintendent was like we don't really have a concrete plan but we got you 600 gallons of hand sanitizer (for the entire state!) and your school nurses will get an extra $600 (per district!) for cleaning supplies. What a joke!! My local district has not said one peep either and school is supposed to start August 10th
 
Can someone help me understand what happens if antibodies diminish fairly rapidly, like a few studies I have seen have indicated?

My thought is if the above is the case, then a vaccine won't be effective and also getting the virus and getting over it won't be effective.

Anyone considering that possibility? Or am I not thinking about it the right way?
 
Rain Cold said:
Can someone help me understand what happens if antibodies diminish fairly rapidly, like a few studies I have seen have indicated?

My thought is if the above is the case, then a vaccine won't be effective and also getting the virus and getting over it won't be effective.

Anyone considering that possibility? Or am I not thinking about it the right way?
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So in other words it will be like the flu in that case? You can get it over and over again?
 
Rain Cold said:
Can someone help me understand what happens if antibodies diminish fairly rapidly, like a few studies I have seen have indicated?

My thought is if the above is the case, then a vaccine won't be effective and also getting the virus and getting over it won't be effective.

Anyone considering that possibility? Or am I not thinking about it the right way?
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I think that's a fair line of thought. I don't think COVID-19 is going anywhere and the vaccine I will have little effect.
 
Rain Cold said:
Can someone help me understand what happens if antibodies diminish fairly rapidly, like a few studies I have seen have indicated?

My thought is if the above is the case, then a vaccine won't be effective and also getting the virus and getting over it won't be effective.

Anyone considering that possibility? Or am I not thinking about it the right way?
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Hope that what some rumblings out of Europe is correct and it turns into a virus that we just deal with in our day to day lives.

Other than that, I got nothing outside of we can't continually have rolling shutdowns for the rest of eternity. Maybe the t-cells would be enough. I know the last time I got pretty sick, I'm pretty sure I contracted the same virus later that winter but likely having t-cells plus being able to relax was able to make it much more minor.
 
NoSnowATL said:
So in other words it will be like the flu in that case? You can get it over and over again?
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Yeah, that sounds right to me. But with the flu, you tend to get sick for a few days and get over it. For Covid, you can get it and get over it quickly or get it and have symptoms for weeks or months or permanently, from all the different stuff I've read. And it would stand to reason that if you get it and then get it a second time, your risk of a serious complication or permanent injury would go up, particularly if you had a hard time with it the first time.

So, it seems like it could end up much, much more serious than the flu. I can't imagine a world where we can't ever go out in public again without masks or have mass gatherings, like sporting events or whatever.
 
Some notable news in the last 24 hours:
1. California is rolling back the reopening in some counties:
2. The Disney World in Hong Kong had to close down due to a spike in the cases in the last couple of days.
 
metwannabe said:
Shocker, NC Governor lays out plan that is basically hybrid, with mix of face to face and virtual learning. All teachers, staff, students required to wear face coverings....man, teachers, whose job all day long is speaking to students to do so while wearing a mask. If I was a student and my test grades were less than stellar, first thing I'd tell my parents.... "I can't understand the teacher from behind that mask" ;)

In all seriousness, my wife's school District is laying out a plan that has all k-8 attending school at all campuses to have enough space to properly social distance students in class, then all 9-12 will be remote/virtual. Trust me, there is no plan that everyone will like and agree on.
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Well, k-8 will be a hybrid. They can’t go lower than what the state mandates.
 
Snowfan said:
Some notable news in the last 24 hours:
1. California is rolling back the reopening in some counties:
2. The Disney World in Hong Kong had to close down due to a spike in the cases in the last couple of days.
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Well there goes any brewery visits I had planned for CA. For the best though. I was really looking forward to the Monterrey Aquarium though.
 
Rain Cold said:
Can someone help me understand what happens if antibodies diminish fairly rapidly, like a few studies I have seen have indicated?

My thought is if the above is the case, then a vaccine won't be effective and also getting the virus and getting over it won't be effective.

Anyone considering that possibility? Or am I not thinking about it the right way?
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A vaccine is artificially creating the immune response. Should have 0 to do with how the actual virus would or wouldn't convey antibodies. I think some early results were showing a higher amount of antibodies produced than the virus did in people so far.
 
metwannabe said:
I'll get this party started with something for us to think about moving forward that might help in how we discuss this.

Shane (@SD ) mentioned somewhere about individuals having different perspectives about the virus and how it effects us (or something like that).
I think what sometimes gets in our way of having productive conversations about the virus is we struggle to view from another's perspective or life experience. For instance, SD is a cancer survivor (God bless you man) and therefore in a high risk category, he views this virus and how it's handled from that perspective, cautious and concerning perspective, and understandably so. My mom, who just turned 76 yesterday (God bless her too), grew up on a farm, hardest working woman I've ever seen, chopped the fields, pick veggies, worked in those Perdue chicken houses, survived broken bones, accidents and open heart surgery 2 years ago.... not to mention she has a deep christian faith. Those all drive her to say "you can't hide from sickness", living her life, no fear, no concern for what happens to her and that's an entirely different, and I also think, understandable perspective.
I've dealt with 7 co-workers that have tested positive, seriously disrupting our work force and operations, none got "sick", just mild symptoms and several completely asymptomatic, that shapes my perspective... Then you have those that have lost jobs due to the virus, that shapes their perspective, of course there are those that have lost loved ones due to the virus and that influences their's.

Not sure if I'm making my point, but our own life experiences tend to dictate how we approach this situation, it makes it difficult to deal with as there is no "one size fits all" solution to any of it. However, maybe just maybe if we tried to see from the other's point of view that most likely has been shaped by their own life experiences, then maybe we can have genuine productive conversation. Conversation that will not result in any additional thread lock outs.
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Great post, I think you hit the nail on the head.

Like others in this thread, I am at higher risk for complications and/or possibly death from covid. I have high blood pressure and afib, my wife has high blood pressure and is obese, one of our children has asthma, and my mother-in-law who watches our children frequently is a cancer survivor and has diabetes. Needless to say we don't need to be exposed to covid if we can help it, so I understand those that get passionate when others play down the severity of the virus, or refuse to wear masks when social distancing isn't possible, it comes across as selfish and uncaring for your fellow man, whether that is the intent or not.

Regardless of how it all plays out, I pray that all on this board, as well as their families, are not negatively affected by this virus, and have hope that all Americans can come together and put their differences aside and do what we can to beat it. We (generalizing here) need to stop politizing this thing. The left has made mistakes, and so has the right. Trump has made mistakes, so have other world leaders, it doesn't matter right now, what matters is that we find a way to stop the spread, and better treat those that are affected. Worry about the politics of it after we have it under control.

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Interesting article.
German Study: Almost No Coronavirus Spread at Schools That Reopened
by Matt PalumboPosted: July 14, 2020



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No link. Going forward please link the stories or the posts will be deleted. Not trying to drive a hard bargain here but simply posting the title with nothing else isn't helpful
 
SD said:
No link. Going forward please link the stories or the posts will be deleted. Not trying to drive a hard bargain here but simply posting the title with nothing else isn't helpful
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For those that speak German

www.faz.net

Corona-Studie an Schulen: Kinder eher Bremsklötze der Infektion

Sachsen hat als erstes Bundesland nach dem Lockdown wieder mit dem Schulunterricht begonnen. Eine Studie zeigt: Neue Corona-Hotspots sind dadurch nicht entstanden. Nach den Sommerferien soll auch die Maskenpflicht entfallen.
www.faz.net www.faz.net

 
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