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Shaggy said:
All valid points and why the 2md amendment is now being viewed as crucial. Gun sales are through the roof.

All of those you listed are valid concerns. If you haven't thought about the 2nd amendment by now then I can assure it's a tremendous asset.

Starving hungry violent drug addicts can come to my neck of the woods acting crazy if they want. Me and many others in my neighborhood are prepared with a legal 2nd amendment response.
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I'm not worried about drug addicts they won't notice much change in lifestyle. The real concern in this scenario is desperate people with guns. If things did get bad enough it would be city people raiding my crops I would be afraid of not drug addicts. I don't see everything falling apart just a bunch of pain spread around.
 
CFR updated:
World, 4.15%
China, 4.03%
Italy, 9.26%
Spain, 6.59%
U.S., 1.34%
Germany, 0.41%
Iran, 7.86%
France, 4.09%

I would urge everyone to be cautiously optimistic about the US 1.34% and try not to draw too many conclusions one way or another as to how this will go. But it is a good sign for now.
 
YetAnotherRDUGuy said:
CFR updated:
World, 4.15%
China, 4.03%
Italy, 9.26%
Spain, 6.59%
U.S., 1.34%
Germany, 0.41%
Iran, 7.86%
France, 4.09%

I would urge everyone to be cautiously optimistic about the US 1.34% and try not to draw too many conclusions one way or another as to how this will go. But it is a good sign for now.
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The US numbers are also artificially low because it’s relatively new and thus there aren’t many cases with an “outcome” yet (some of such will be deaths). However, all of the CFRs are likely grossly overstated because of undiagnosed cases.
 
NCSNOW said:
Its all about the cocktail. NYC will start using tommorow. He will know in 5-6 if the hunch this works is spot on or not. If it works, then expect a loosening
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It's not a hunch. It's info given to us from France and China. The world is sharing the results of about 20 different treatments.
 
Storm5 said:
www.dailymail.co.uk

Beijing's leading doctor warns of a new coronavirus outbreak in China

Professor Li Lanjuan (pictured), a member of Beijing's expert team on the virus, told state media she was 'very worried that imported cases could trigger another large-scale epidemic in our country'.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
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"Her comment came after health officials reported the country's first case of someone who is believed to have contracted the disease, known as COVID-19, from another person returning from abroad. "

Seems like poetic justice, since it was China's initial cover-up that let the virus slip outside of their borders in the first place.
 
superjames1992 said:
The US numbers are also artificially low because it’s relatively new and thus there aren’t many cases with an “outcome” yet (some of such will be deaths). However, all of the CFRs are likely grossly overstated because of undiagnosed cases.
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That's a valid concern. Hopefully it's not grossly overstated.
 
Nerman said:
It's not a hunch. It's info given to us from France and China. The world is sharing the results of about 20 different treatments.
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Only issue is that those treatments were given and not really setup as a proper trial of any sort. So nothing more than anectodal evidence at the moment.
 
Matthew70 said:
Maybe he is seeing the reports showing the economic collapse into a depression will be far worse than this virus if Americans does not go back to work.
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The only ones that are telling him that are right wing pundits. This is no time for taking advice from anyone but medical professionals and industry to support the medical efforts.
 
metwannabe said:
This is an editorial but apparently they have knowledge of the NC Gov conducting a conference call with all County Commissioners tomorrow, "shelter in place" forthcoming?

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My local health dept director sent out a letter to everyone today with the #stayathome....he is basically saying non-esential travel should be stopped now. Of course he can't make that call but offering it as a guideline
 
Steven_1974 said:
The only ones that are telling him that are right wing pundits. This is no time for taking advice from anyone but medical professionals and industry to support the medical efforts.
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I completely disagree with only listening to medical professionals. He and Congress need to hear from the Economists also to make the most informed decisions. The medical professionals aren't experts on the Economy and the economists I'm sure lack medical knowledge. We need the correct balanced approach and we only get one shot to do that.
 
tazaroo said:
I completely disagree with only listening to medical professionals. He and Congress need to hear from the Economists also to make the most informed decisions. The medical professionals aren't experts on the Economy and the economists I'm sure lack medical knowledge. We need the correct balanced approach and we only get one shot to do that.
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Your economy can take a hit slowly as we reduce public interactions and that gives us a slight bit of control over both the rate of slowing in both the economy and death toll or your economy can crash when 10k sick people show up to your hospitals and start dying in hallways sending fear through the community like we've never seen before where we cant control either the deaths or the economic collapse.
 
Shaggy said:
Your economy can take a hit slowly as we reduce public interactions and that gives us a slight bit of control over both the rate of slowing in both the economy and death toll or your economy can crash when 10k sick people show up to your hospitals and start dying in hallways sending fear through the community like we've never seen before where we cant control either the deaths or the economic collapse.
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So far we are doing an excellent job at getting it under control and saving lives. Now if a couple people will get off of their high horse we can start salvaging our economy too.....
 
Shaggy said:
Your economy can take a hit slowly as we reduce public interactions and that gives us a slight bit of control over both the rate of slowing in both the economy and death toll or your economy can crash when 10k sick people show up to your hospitals and start dying in hallways sending fear through the community like we've never seen before where we cant control either the deaths or the economic collapse.
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But it’s not taking a hit slowly. Thousands and thousands have already been laid off. NC alone has seen a spike to 110k jobless claims in the past week, the average is 3k in a week. I know a lot of people already who are without jobs and struggling and with the stimulus delayed that isn’t helpful for these people who need to feed their kids and pay the bills. Those people are suffering, too, just in a different way. Imagine if you were without a job and you had no clue how to pay the bills, feed your kid, etc. That’s what a ton of people are facing right now and the longer this drags out the more who will be in that position.
 
snowlover91 said:
But it’s not taking a hit slowly. Thousands and thousands have already been laid off. NC alone has seen a spike to 110k jobless claims in the past week, the average is 3k in a week. I know a lot of people already who are without jobs and struggling and with the stimulus delayed that isn’t helpful for these people who need to feed their kids and pay the bills. Those people are suffering, too, just in a different way. Imagine if you were without a job and you had no clue how to pay the bills, feed your kid, etc. That’s what a ton of people are facing right now and the longer this drags out the more who will be in that position.
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Maybe slower instead of slowly would have been better terminology
 
Shaggy said:
Maybe slower instead of slowly would have been better terminology
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I have a friend in his 20s, married and a 2 year old boy. He’s without income now as his job is 100% commission as a sales rep for Verizon. With his location shut down he can’t earn any income and has no clue how he’s going to pay his bills and feed his family. There are tons of people like him out there who are already suffering tremendously...
 
snowlover91 said:
But it’s not taking a hit slowly. Thousands and thousands have already been laid off. NC alone has seen a spike to 110k jobless claims in the past week, the average is 3k in a week. I know a lot of people already who are without jobs and struggling and with the stimulus delayed that isn’t helpful for these people who need to feed their kids and pay the bills. Those people are suffering, too, just in a different way. Imagine if you were without a job and you had no clue how to pay the bills, feed your kid, etc. That’s what a ton of people are facing right now and the longer this drags out the more who will be in that position.
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It is a truly sucky situation we find ourselves.

I guess an internal question people have to ask is how many lives------peoples mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, grandparents they are personally ok with dying to save the economy.
 
snowlover91 said:
I have a friend in his 20s, married and a 2 year old boy. He’s without income now as his job is 100% commission as a sales rep for Verizon. With his location shut down he can’t earn any income and has no clue how he’s going to pay his bills and feed his family. There are tons of people like him out there who are already suffering tremendously...
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Wheres his employer? Why arent they stepping up to the plate?
 
Shaggy said:
It is a truly sucky situation we find ourselves.

I guess an internal question people have to ask is how many lives------peoples mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, grandparents they are personally ok with dying to save the economy.
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Unfortunately, it could be their little kids, too.
 
Shaggy said:
It is a truly sucky situation we find ourselves.

I guess an internal question people have to ask is how many lives------peoples mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, grandparents they are personally ok with dying to save the economy.
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I have no issue with a short term shut down to give time for some research to be done, such as the anti-viral drugs that are very promising and to flatten the curve. Getting the stimulus bill/checks out to people ASAP can also help hold things over for a couple months during that time. At the same time though the reality of the situation is there is no way we can keep our economy clamped down for the 12-18 months needed to get a vaccine going, at some point it's going to have to open back up. If it opens back up and it starts spreading again do you shut it all down? Human suffering is going to be immense either way with this event. Research shows that in an economic recession the suicide rates and depression spikes. There will be many who lose their homes, families broken apart due to the financial stress, parents struggling to feed their little ones, increased violence due to people not having a job and stealing to get what they need, etc. IMO both sides need to be weighed when deciding how to move forward. My hope is that after this shutdown we can see things slowly come back to normal in April or early May and that they can use the anti-viral drugs with high success to prevent the loss of life.
 
Snow_chaser said:
Stimulus bill blocked again
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If this is true, someone needs to put a foot in all their collective asses.


McConnell accused Democrats of making 11th-hour demands that derailed progress on the package, including tax credits for solar energy and wind energy and new emissions standards for airlines, which are set to benefit from the stimulus package.
 
GaWx said:
Unfortunately, it could be their little kids, too.
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Those little kids could go without food and medical if their parents can not make money to support them. More children will die from those conditions than the virus.
 
snowlover91 said:
I have no issue with a short term shut down to give time for some research to be done, such as the anti-viral drugs that are very promising and to flatten the curve. Getting the stimulus bill/checks out to people ASAP can also help hold things over for a couple months during that time. At the same time though the reality of the situation is there is no way we can keep our economy clamped down for the 12-18 months needed to get a vaccine going, at some point it's going to have to open back up. If it opens back up and it starts spreading again do you shut it all down? Human suffering is going to be immense either way with this event. Research shows that in an economic recession the suicide rates and depression spikes. There will be many who lose their homes, families broken apart due to the financial stress, parents struggling to feed their little ones, increased violence due to people not having a job and stealing to get what they need, etc. IMO both sides need to be weighed when deciding how to move forward. My hope is that after this shutdown we can see things slowly come back to normal in April or early May and that they can use the anti-viral drugs with high success to prevent the loss of life.
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Well now that you put some time frames in there I can agree a lot more. We cant do 12 to 18 months. We wont need to I hope. Vaccines are already in human trials, new study albeit limited shows herd immunity in monkeys is real and you cant catch it twice. These new drug cocktails are being explored and even if they keep it as bad pneumonia versus deadly pneumonia then they should be used if found safe.

We have to endure the next month. Come together rise up as one America and get the trains back on tracks. This is not impossible, it can be done and it will be done. Our economy didn't crash because of bad policy it crashed because of a global humanitarian crisis. I believe it will rebound quickly once this is sorted out. How we handle the pain and suffering in the short term will define us as a generation. Will we handle it with division and despair or with hope and dignity as we save our elderly?
 
Shaggy said:
Well now that you put some time frames in there I can agree a lot more. We cant do 12 to 18 months. We wont need to I hope. Vaccines are already in human trials, new study albeit limited shows herd immunity in monkeys is real and you cant catch it twice. These new drug cocktails are being explored and even if they keep it as bad pneumonia versus deadly pneumonia then they should be used if found safe.

We have to endure the next month. Come together rise up as one America and get the trains back on tracks. This is not impossible, it can be done and it will be done. Our economy didn't crash because of bad policy it crashed because of a global humanitarian crisis. I believe it will rebound quickly once this is sorted out. How we handle the pain and suffering in the short term will define us as a generation. Will we handle it with division and despair or with hope and dignity as we save our elderly?
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Yeah the key is to get the stimulus stuff worked out to help those without jobs make it through the next 1-2 months and then hopefully at that point we will have enough data on the anti-viral drugs to see if that will truly be a big help or not. The vaccines though even though they are in human trials wouldn't be ready for mass production for 12 months most likely which is why I'm saying we have to figure out which direction we are going to go after the shutdown ends and there is no vaccine.
 
Another reason we should not shut down very long. My sis in law running a 103 temp last 2 days. She and chest hurting. No drive thrus open due to not enough supplies. Health dept closed. Today she finally speaks to a doctor. Tells her to stay home and of gets worse go to ER. She had to pay him $50! Then today my niece who is RT has a fellow RT who’s dad has it. They will not test her. She just has to self quarantine. This shows this virus is not going to stop spreading because we don’t even test most people. They don’t want to show the numbers increasing or they don’t have the supplies. Either way this whole deal is BS.
 
YetAnotherRDUGuy said:
CFR updated:
World, 4.15%
China, 4.03%
Italy, 9.26%
Spain, 6.59%
U.S., 1.34%
Germany, 0.41%
Iran, 7.86%
France, 4.09%

I would urge everyone to be cautiously optimistic about the US 1.34% and try not to draw too many conclusions one way or another as to how this will go. But it is a good sign for now.
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Iran's numbers - like China's - cannot be trusted.

 
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