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Storm5 said:
Russia took steps to prevent long before the US did .


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Plus you can't trust Russia's numbers imo and your right it's not an apples to apples comparison. One death is too many but percentages matter. In a country with 330 million obviously more people will be affected regardless if we're talking natural disaster or any type of virus, sickness etc. Funny we were told we couldn't compare it to the flu because it wasn't apples to apples but its perfectly fine to compare numbers with smaller countries....ok.
 
metwannabe said:
Plus you can't trust Russia's numbers imo and your right it's not an apples to apples comparison. One death is too many but percentages matter. In a country with 330 million obviously more people will be affected regardless if we're talking natural disaster or any type of virus, sickness etc. Funny we were told we couldn't compare it to the flu because it wasn't apples to apples but its perfectly fine to compare numbers with smaller countries....ok.
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Some don’t want to compare it to the flu because flu numbers are worse. CDC Data proves it!


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Storm5 said:
Russia took steps to prevent long before the US did .


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Why would anyone believe anything Russia reports. Russia is flat out lying about how many cases they have. For Pete’s sake, they have reported less cases than Luxembourg. Also, in January Moscow reported a 37% increase from last year in patients with severe pneumonia. So they are basically labeling those infected with coronavirus as pneumonia patients
 
metwannabe said:
Plus you can't trust Russia's numbers imo and your right it's not an apples to apples comparison. One death is too many but percentages matter. In a country with 330 million obviously more people will be affected regardless if we're talking natural disaster or any type of virus, sickness etc. Funny we were told we couldn't compare it to the flu because it wasn't apples to apples but its perfectly fine to compare numbers with smaller countries....ok.
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That’s a good point about trusting Russia . We should never believe anything ole Vlad says


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Storm5 said:
I feel like some people don’t understand the numbers are going to increase the more we test . It doesn’t necessarily mean it’s spreading any faster or slower vs other countries


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There are lots of factors man. Italy has tested way more people than we have too if I recall correctly. All we have are the numbers. I’ve heard you can likely multiply the number times ten to get an idea how widespread the virus is. The virus is spreading rapidly here in the US. I would bet on that.

Let me ask a question. Do you think the US is in a dangerous position wrt hospitals capacity and the number of cases we have?

Hospitals are going to start to fill up. You see field hospitals being built and the panic button has been pushed by doctors. This virus is very nasty.

I’m getting the impression you don't see this as an oh ---- moment. Please correct me if I’m wrong .
 
Reports are going to start to come in shortly for the noon update. I expect to see some pretty shocking ---- come out of Italy and the US today.
 
NoSnowATL said:
Some don’t want to compare it to the flu because flu numbers are worse. CDC Data proves it!


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Those flu numbers are off, there is a lot of estimating there, they also lump flu and pneumonia deaths together and even the CDC admit's only about 8% of the pneumonia deaths that they estimate to begin with are related to the flu and even that is probably overdone....from what I have read it seems those numbers of 30-60k deaths a year are really just guesses/estimates inflated to push people to get flu vaccines..... the flu is only listed as the cause of death on a few hundred death certificates a year. its asinine to compare what is happening now around the world to the flu. This virus is way way worse than any flu.

www.bmj.com

Are US flu death figures more PR than science?

US data on influenza deaths are a mess. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) acknowledges a difference between flu death and flu associated death yet uses the terms interchangeably. Additionally, there are significant statistical incompatibilities between official estimates and...
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That there is a serious problem here for the conventional estimates
of the “pneumonia and flu” death rates is widely accepted. For instance,
one member of the Simonsen et al. team, Jonathan Dushoff, published a few
months ago a useful note emphasizing: “Approaching a consensus on the
health and mortality burden of influenza, and on the cause of winter
excess mortality in general, is an important scientific and public policy
goal. For this to happen, further progress is needed in several areas”,
and concluding: “The contribution of influenza to morbidity and mortality
– and, more broadly, cataloging the causes of daily and season excess
deaths and hospitalizations – remain as unresolved questions with
important scientific and public-health implications." ([4])

More should be done in the way of epidemiological research to assess
the relative weight of all plausible factors and to ascertain how
frequently the flu viruses are actually involved in the fatal outcomes.
Most importantly, it must be pointed out that the so-called
“complications” are also linked to influenza-like illness (ILI), which is
“clinically indistinguishable from influenza” [6]. ILI, defined as a
symptomatic syndrome, is in fact caused by hundreds of different agents,
including RSV (respiratory syncytial virus), picornaviruses,
parainfluenza, hMPV (human metapneumovirus), coronaviruses etc.(see e.g.
[5]).
 
Downeastnc said:
Those flu numbers are off, there is a lot of estimating there, they also lump flu and pneumonia deaths together and even the CDC admit's only about 8% of the pneumonia deaths the estimate are related to the flu and even that is probably overdone....from what I have read it seems those numbers of 30-60k deaths a year are really just guesses/estimates inflated to push people to get flu vaccines..... the flu is only listed as the cause of death on a few hundred death certificates a year. its asinine to compare what is happening now around the world to the flu. This virus is way way worse than any flu.

www.bmj.com

Are US flu death figures more PR than science?

US data on influenza deaths are a mess. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) acknowledges a difference between flu death and flu associated death yet uses the terms interchangeably. Additionally, there are significant statistical incompatibilities between official estimates and...
www.bmj.com www.bmj.com

That there is a serious problem here for the conventional estimates
of the “pneumonia and flu” death rates is widely accepted. For instance,
one member of the Simonsen et al. team, Jonathan Dushoff, published a few
months ago a useful note emphasizing: “Approaching a consensus on the
health and mortality burden of influenza, and on the cause of winter
excess mortality in general, is an important scientific and public policy
goal. For this to happen, further progress is needed in several areas”,
and concluding: “The contribution of influenza to morbidity and mortality
– and, more broadly, cataloging the causes of daily and season excess
deaths and hospitalizations – remain as unresolved questions with
important scientific and public-health implications." ([4])

More should be done in the way of epidemiological research to assess
the relative weight of all plausible factors and to ascertain how
frequently the flu viruses are actually involved in the fatal outcomes.
Most importantly, it must be pointed out that the so-called
“complications” are also linked to influenza-like illness (ILI), which is
“clinically indistinguishable from influenza” [6]. ILI, defined as a
symptomatic syndrome, is in fact caused by hundreds of different agents,
including RSV (respiratory syncytial virus), picornaviruses,
parainfluenza, hMPV (human metapneumovirus), coronaviruses etc.(see e.g.
[5]).
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I guess the CDC is wrong.


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NoSnowATL said:
I guess the CDC is wrong.


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Kinda look likes they are at least misleading with their numbers in a effort to promote people to go get the flu vaccines, if they said only a few thousand die every year from the flu how many would go get vaccines? Look dont take my word for it go read the papers out there on it. They are estimating deaths, many of those deaths are NOT from the flu. The world has not imploded the global economy and locked down BILLIONS of people for something that is less lethal than the flu, look at the numbers in Europe, the warehouse floors covered in coffins etc, now think of 1 time in the last 100 years that has happened because the flu...if ya cant then stop saying the flu is worse....
 
NoSnowATL said:
We don’t lockdown during the flu. We shouldn’t for this virus. My opinion!


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When does the flu fill up hospitals all over the world and overwhelm healthcare systems?

If we don't lock things down, then so many hospitals are going to be overrun. Doctors will get sick. Care will diminish. More people will die or suffer long term adverse effects.

Are you advocating this? It's one or the other. Treat it in a much more serious way than the flu, like we're trying to do, or just let it run and take our chances. Until there's medicine, there is really no middle ground.
 
Broken024 said:
Have you seen what is going on in Italy? Without limiting exposure that would just keep getting worse and worse.
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Yeah in a way the world is lucky this hit now and not a hundred years ago like the Spanish Flu imagine what the death rate would look out with out any real medical intervention available for C-19.
 
Rain Cold said:
When does the flu fill up hospitals all over the world and overwhelm healthcare systems?

If we don't lock things down, then so many hospitals are going to be overrun. Doctors will get sick. Care will diminish. More people will die or suffer ling term adverse effects.

Are you advocating this? It's one or the other. Treat it in a much more serious way than the flu, like we're trying to do or just let it run and take our chances. Until there's medicine, there is really no middle ground.
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It’s my opinion. We will see in a few months how things work out. Overreacting is good but it’s still overreacting.


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Rain Cold said:
When does the flu fill up hospitals all over the world and overwhelm healthcare systems?

If we don't lock things down, then so many hospitals are going to be overrun. Doctors will get sick. Care will diminish. More people will die or suffer long term adverse effects.

Are you advocating this? It's one or the other. Treat it in a much more serious way than the flu, like we're trying to do, or just let it run and take our chances. Until there's medicine, there is really no middle ground.
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Just the flu

news.yahoo.com

Army Corps of Engineers races to provide 10,000 hospital rooms for coronavirus response

The Army Corps of Engineers is planning to create more than 10,000 ICU-type hospital rooms in hotels, dormitories and other available buildings in New York City over the next few weeks, its commander said Friday.
news.yahoo.com news.yahoo.com

WASHINGTON — The Army Corps of Engineers is planning to create more than 10,000 ICU-type hospital rooms in hotels, dormitories and other available buildings in New York City over the next few weeks, its commander said Friday.

The corps is racing against the spread of the coronavirus to turn empty buildings in cities across the United States into high-quality COVID-19 treatment centers before the virus reaches its peak in each metropolis, Lt. Gen. Todd Semonite told reporters. To achieve this, he said the corps had come up with “a standard design” to rapidly convert hotels and similar structures into medical facilities.
 
Poimen said:
I’m not a medical professional, but one obvious difference between the flu and COVID-19 is that we have all been exposed to the flu many times. This is something new for which the human body has never seen and thus has never defended against.
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Is the flu the same strain every year?


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LithiaWx said:
There are lots of factors man. Italy has tested way more people than we have too if I recall correctly. All we have are the numbers. I’ve heard you can likely multiply the number times ten to get an idea how widespread the virus is. The virus is spreading rapidly here in the US. I would bet on that.

Let me ask a question. Do you think the US is in a dangerous position wrt hospitals capacity and the number of cases we have?

Hospitals are going to start to fill up. You see field hospitals being built and the panic button has been pushed by doctors. This virus is very nasty.

I’m getting the impression you don't see this as an oh poop moment. Please correct me if I’m wrong .
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No doubt hospitals will be at risk but I think it will be more localized vs widespread . NYC for example already has massive bed issues and it will only get worse for them . My wife works at a hospital , I know what their biggest challenges will be only because she told but they are well prepared .

I personally think one of the biggest issues the medical field is gonna have will be doctors and nurse getting the virus


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Rain Cold said:
When does the flu fill up hospitals all over the world and overwhelm healthcare systems?

If we don't lock things down, then so many hospitals are going to be overrun. Doctors will get sick. Care will diminish. More people will die or suffer long term adverse effects.

Are you advocating this? It's one or the other. Treat it in a much more serious way than the flu, like we're trying to do, or just let it run and take our chances. Until there's medicine, there is really no middle ground.
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This isn't the run of the mill virus.
 
NoSnowATL said:
It’s my opinion. We will see in a few months how things work out. Overreacting is good but it’s still overreacting.


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You're advocating treating this just like the flu, which stands completely in opposition to all evidence on the matter. It's good to have differing opinions but not at the expense of evidence and logic.
 
I wish they go ahead make a decision on schools for South Carolina. March 31st is when there set to reopen. But I don’t think there going to so why not go ahead let everyone know?


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Based on what Im reading the Stimulus will be one check and expanded unemployment benefits. Makes me think they are trying to just agree to push sonething through and bring up farther assistance in the future.
 
Rain Cold said:
You're advocating treating this just like the flu, which stands completely in opposition to all evidence on the matter. It's good to have differing opinions but not at the expense of evidence and logic.
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If everyone stayed at home if they are sick we wouldn’t need to shut everything down. Data says the flu is worse. Go look at the CDC website. The numbers are the numbers but know I see the numbers are wrong about the flu but right about this virus???? Sure. Some people say this virus was in the US in November and December. We didn’t have panic then. My opinion is that we are going a little overboard but I get it. The government doesn’t care if I agree with them. I do what I’m told. It’s better to be safe then sorry plan on full display .


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NoSnowATL said:
If everyone stayed at home if they are sick we wouldn’t need to shut everything down. Data says the flu is worse. Go look at the CDC website. The numbers are the numbers but know I see the numbers are wrong about the flu but right about this virus???? Sure. Some people say this virus was in the US in November and December. We didn’t have panic then. My opinion is that we are going a little overboard but I get it. The government doesn’t care if I agree with them. I do what I’m told. It’s better to be safe then sorry plan on full display .


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Willfully ignorant
 
NoSnowATL said:
If everyone stayed at home if they are sick we wouldn’t need to shut everything down. Data says the flu is worse. Go look at the CDC website. The numbers are the numbers but know I see the numbers are wrong about the flu but right about this virus???? Sure. Some people say this virus was in the US in November and December. We didn’t have panic then. My opinion is that we are going a little overboard but I get it. The government doesn’t care if I agree with them. I do what I’m told. It’s better to be safe then sorry plan on full display .


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ASYMPTOMATIC transmission is why this isnt the flu. Telling sick people to stay home does nothing here because people are shedding the virus a few days BEFORE they get sick. Simply telling sick people to stay does nothing in this current crisis. By the time they get sick it's too late.
 
Shaggy said:
ASYMPTOMATIC transmission is why this isnt the flu. Telling sick people to stay home does nothing here because people are shedding the virus a few days BEFORE they get sick. Simply telling sick people to stay does nothing in this current crisis. By the time they get sick it's too late.
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It's pointless trying to explain this to him.
 
Shaggy said:
ASYMPTOMATIC transmission is why this isnt the flu. Telling sick people to stay home does nothing here because people are shedding the virus a few days BEFORE they get sick. Simply telling sick people to stay does nothing in this current crisis. By the time they get sick it's too late.
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If you are sick with this virus you should stay at home right? 14 days?


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